marco rubio is number two. >> i have marco rubio number one and bush number two.rybody has discussed the reasons. let's put on the board of the total. let's see who is ahead. these are only in the three categories. >> it is on the tv right there. jeb bush -- >> jeb bush first, marco rubio second and scott walker third. does that roughly match up with your sense of who is doing well? >> the surprises how powerful rubio is even on jeb bush's shoulders. >> if he is not on the top tier he is pretty close. >> round up the usual suspects. >> you raised the question of internet strength. that is a big one. it has to be rand paul. >> also, scott walker. >> watch out for ted cruz for all the reasons we talked about. >> one more. 12 white guys on a stage and one very smart woman. >> we are not done yet. we will talk about hillary clinton including jeffrey epstein. we are going there after the break. ♪ >> we are back. we spent the last segment reviewing republicans and now we are talking about democrats. let's talk about the nominee in waiting hillary clinton. she is giving

it did not matter where we sent marco rubio.e was willing and eager to help governor romney, but when he would go places, the crowd was electrified. they love having him there. he was able to raise money, he had grassroots support. people were excited to have marco rubio. >> it seems like you are more enthusiastic about him than anyone else in the field. next i think marco rubio has the potential to catch lightning in a bottle. >> does anyone else have the same potential? >> yes. >> so you are not more enthusiastic about him many others? >> i'm excited to see marco rubio put a campaign together. i think he could catch lightning in a bottle. he's got a very compelling story . he's incredible on the stump. i know a lot of people say chris christie is not able to bring donors together and he's having a hard time. get chris christie in a debate and he's going to be strong. >> there are a lot of tea leaves out here. it's not hard to read them. if people watch this interview and come away saying he's -- that's not a crazy conclusion f

marco rubio is in deep trouble.is solution is a legislative attack on unions trying to sell it as good for wages. scott walker is leading the polls in iowa at 16%. marco rubio is in a distant ninth place with 4%. rubio is trying to make up those points by taking a page out of walker's playbook. on thursday rubio released his rewarding achievement and incentivizing successful employees act. now their bill would amend the national labor relations act. if it gets to the senate the it goes this far, all the righties are going to be on board with this. this is red meat to lamar alexander. overall, this would affect 7.6 million unionized workers in this country. the bill would allow employers to give merit based wage increases to individual employees. that sounds got, doesn't it? rubio's website says the raise act would essentially make wages set in union contracts a minimum floor while gives employers the flexibility to reward diligent employees for their hard work. that's where it really sounds good. the bill sounds gre

we'll see him with rubio. >> that doesn't sound like chris christie either. >> maybe marco rubio. >> the mitt primary. his first public political move was to have dinner with chris christie. now, again, chris christie is not even an official candidate but he's doing everything it looks like he's going to give in. is that a romney slap at bush? i know chris christie is his friend. it's odd public that that's your first move. >> it is a little bit of odd public posturing. this is a big win for chris christie as well with jeb bush in the race, with mitt romney in the race it would have been very hard for him particularly on the money side to carve out. does mitt romney do anything immediately after this dinner he's had. i don't think that will be the case. people come to kiss mitt's ring and what role he plays next will be a fascinating story in this presidential campaign. >> i predict he won't endorse anybody. the people around him say he wants to, as you call him a king maker, wants to preserve his dignity. he pulled the plug just in time so he didn't get embarrassed as jay martin wou

. >> marco rubio?> marco rubio is still largely unknown to people, but he could have glam more because of the life story. >> bobby jindal? >> i think a that the idea of bobby jindal is glamorous to people but again like rick perry, he tries too hard. >> rick santorum? >> rick santorum is so narrow in the appeal, it is hard to see him as glams rouse. >> and ben carson? certainly, he has a lot of misery. >> he does have a lot of mystery, because he is a surgeon and not a politician, and not a policy wonk, but behind the mystery is somebody who is completely new to politic, and that is a problem. >> mike huckabee. >> he represents the folks like me in the media and kind of glamour, but it is not a glamour, because down-home charm. >> certain sense of glamour about donald trump if you think it translates to the appeal. >> it is the "celebrity apprentice" glamour and rich guy, and nothing to do with the politics presidential or otherwise. >> scott walker? >> he has managed to make a difficult task of taking

. >> marco rubio? >> marco rubio is still largely an unknown to people but he could have glamour because of his life story. >> bobby jindal. >> i think the idea of bobby jindal is glamorous to people but like rick perry he tries too hard. >> rick santorum. >> rick santorum is so narrow in his appeal it is hard to see glamour. >> ben carson? >> ben carson does have a lot of mystery because he is a surgeon, not a politic not a policy wonk. but behind the mystery is somebody who is completely new to politics. >> mike huckabee. >> he represents the folks. it's me in the media kind of glamour but that's not glamour. it's a down-home charm. >> there is a sense of glamour about donald trump but does it translate to the presidential field. >> it's a rich guy in new york glamour. it's not a glamour that has anything to do with politics. >> scott walker? >> scott walker has managed to make a very difficult task of taking on special interests which doesn't sound glamorous. in retrospect he can cast himself as a h

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. >> here is marco rubio. he addressed the president's immigration policy at a town hall this weekend in new hampshire. >> we need to stop it because number one it is unconstitutional. i think it has unintended consequences no one has thought through. it makes millions of people eligible for a tax credit. it makes it difficult to achieve the sort of immigration reform that our country needs. >> what we have here playing out is the president, i think, is doing the democrats a favor by getting this kind of exposure in south florida because it totally pits him against the republican position and the hotbed of immigration. your thoughts on what rubio was saying and the way this is playing out? >> it is disappointing to see a senator from florida is saying we need to cut it into pieces. their idea of cutting it into pieces is to build a much higher wall. i don't know how high they want to go. go to the sky, put more troops on the ground at the border and to verify. even that they haven't even done that. so the sena

that is what will undo him as well as what made him. >> marco rubio. >> marco rubio is a thoughtful candidatend i thought he was in a pretty good thought and he is backing off which is something he's doing wrong. it is better to be principled and take a stand and hold it than it is to flip flop around. mitt romney found that out. >> we're almost out of time. hillary clinton right? >> i think she's in big trouble. >> what you doing wrong? what's she doing right? >> she is waiting. she is eliminating any other candidate. >> what she doing wrong? >> in a minute, jon stewart and the nightly news anchor desk. >> you guys are awesome. a match made in heaven. really a match made in her editing system. we will be right back. ♪ >> what if john stewart replaced brian williams? we wondered, so we made a promo. >> values aren't like fashion. they are permanent. bed rock things like integrity. , experience. compassion. things change. but what really matters doesn't. >> that's funny. check us out. >> up next, "taking stock." we say, sayonara. ♪ >> president obama is on the attack against the islamic state.

marco rubio this guy is having a week. his book tour is going well. his response to rudy giuliani's line was boffo. >> that was really boffo. >> is senator rubio in the upper most here of presidential candidates? >> he is pushing up against it. you hear it from those people in iowa, new hampshire, and north carolina saying that we have our eye on marco rubio. he is the one who could possibly stay in a position to seize that generational thing. i am young. i'm dynamic. i'm a great communicator. >> be in control of your public image. right now, he is even more than jeb bush in control. a young guy, but a member of foreign relations. an outspoken critic of the administration. he's going to have an opportunity as the member of the senate on foreign relations to participate in a big way on the debate about an authorization against isis. the book has helped him. he is having a good week. one last thing, the conventional wisdom that jim bush won't run and marco rubio won't run that's a huge hurdle for him to get over. >> i think they will give him a look in

rubio is from jeb bush's hometown. that jeb bush will soak up much of the fundraising money. the next generation candidate acceptable both to the conservative base and the republican establishment so will it be yeah or na? rubio's visiting the earliest contest states this month to assess the terrain. he's been building his political and fundraising teams. he promises a decision by spring. he's facing internal pressure to make intentions known sooner, to know by the end of march because the other candidates are getting so active. they set the current odds at 60/40 in favor of rubio running. that's it for "inside politics." thanks for sharing your sunday morning. we'll see you soon. "state of the union" starts right now. >>> a terror threat against western shopping malls. >>> rude didy giuliani becomes lightning rod for the democratic party. this is "state of the union." >>> good morning from washington, i'm gloria berger. breaking this hour homeland security secretary jeh johnson. >>> rudy giuliani under fire about his

marco rubio i have always believed is a dark horse. swooned -- he made conservatives swoon in 2012. people forget that. i think he can crack that immigration nut that is so difficult for the republican party. so i think he has to the go be right up there all the time. you can't put chris christie much farther behind, i give him $20. i think he is still lights up a room. he has got issues, but he is still right up there in the top tier. >> who among us doesn't, right? >> okay. so winners and loadsers. here are some people with some issues on that list today too. john, start with you and head down the line. >> ashton carter approved ace secretary of defense almost unanimously. proof that in washington competence is rewarded sometimes. and bipartisanship is still possible and almost everyone agrees he will do a good job. >> all right. it was a good week for him. your loser? >> loser is, you know, with all of this talk that the obama am amnesty could allow illegal aliens to register and possibly vote. rick scott is under fire because a cou

. >> rubio is a rising star in the republican party but it doesn't take long for his speech to be interrupted. >> it is an important issue, in our community it's a gateway issue. >> why aren't you (inaudible). >> please help us. (inaudible). >> we're going to kick out. >> we don't believe marco rubio's support -- >> what is your name? >> these young activates call themselves dreamers. part of a nationwide movement campaigning for the dream act, legislation that would give undocumented youth who finished high school a pathway to citizenship. >> for somebody to understand what undocumented is, it's basically saying you're invisible to people, you don't have an identification, there's such thing as you don't have an identity, you are living in the shadows. >> jose saucedo and his friends know at any moment they can be placed into detention and deported to a country they barely know. >> i could have been pulled over by the cops for interrupting such an important meeting but at the same time it's a risk we take every day stepping out of our houses. >> no we can't being live the lives of 11 million

. >> now moving on marco rubio and his buddy jeb bush, they are intertwineed, all of a sudden, rubioim, what is going on? >> i think he may run for president, old -- rube reyou'll rubio would never ron if his political godfather were in the race, i don't think that is true. >> a multiple choice. >> rubio. >> you can ask the same of governor bush. >> i do. >> why are democrats so upset with david cameron? >> breach of protocol. >> quick. not the issue of prime minister netanyahu but about speaker boehner trying to make israel a partisan game. and even netanyahu. >> he should do what obama is doing, basically just, cut away the ties to his roots. >> i much prefer john boehner have his way. >> president got the nobel peace prize, and has turned his back otherwise rail. as you know. >> record -- >> robert zimmer zimmerman show that touches base with you folks. "strange inheritance." >> a world famed musician dies. >> his love. his heart. his voice. >> it's more than 300 years old and could be worth many millions. this strange inheritance is more than about money, it's about a father's le

then i'm going 15 on scott walker, 15 on rubio.oung, both have the potential to really excite the base. i look forward to moving my chips around as this plays out a little bit. >> excellent. welcome back to the casino. >> i've got a three-way dead heat. $30 each on walker rubio, bush. walker had a slight stumble on evolution that he was asked about. rubio has been treading water and bush even though he had a lousy speech on foreign affairs, is raking in the money. i always reserve $10 for wine and women. at least i know i come out ahead in some sense. >> wow, ten bucks. the house chardonnay or something else? >> that gets me a coke and a pretzel. >> as the anchor, i play the field with $100. we do this every friday. that's it for the panel, but stay tuned for some creative reporting. g for pain? i have bayer aspirin. i'm not having a heart attack, it's my back. i mean bayer back & body. it works great for pain. bayer back & body provides effective relief for your tough pain. better? yeah...thanks for the tip! whether you need a war

i think right now they are most problematic on the business side and the same rubio proposal from rubiothat you mentioned includes a very aggressive progress reform of the business tax code, but tax reform has got to include tax relief for working families, and today. >> and republicans haven't done enough of that in the past? >> i think republicans haven't done enough of that in the past. >> when they have succeeded is when they did that. the bush tax cut included child increase tax cut, in the last few years republicans have not talk about that enough and i think an increase in the child credit is the right way to deliver tax relief, it allows some people relief from the payroll tax, the burden most families bear and most parents are over taxed in this system, the way the entitlement system interacts with the tax seasonal there is a kind of disincentive that raises child, it is counteracted some and a lot more room to do that, so it seems to me and i think to a growing number of people on the right that as a plausible, logical way to deliver a meaningful tax relief to a lot of people.

but rubio was smart.time whether they distance themselves from the comments of vice president biden. why are you asking us republicans that say something a little bit politically incorrect. at the same time he separated himself from what the mayor said. if you ask most americans they say that's probably a good idea. >> i'm sure you saw the piece in the "new york times" in which they write rudy giuliani made these comments before. and on february 13 he told an iranian group in arizona that mr. obama was not a man who loves his people. in an online video mr. giuliani shouts mr. president, wake up. come off the golf course. what's in it for rudy giuliani. >> the fact that we're talk building him, frankly. it increases his bookings on television. we're writing about him. we keep his name in the news. there's a class of people in either party who live off the fact that we're talking about them. whether it's donald trump, the former mayor of new york whether it's -- all sorts of other people. their livelihood d

so marco rubio changing his position on that issue. and a recent poll shows that if the department's forced to shut down republicans would indeed receive a lion's share of the blame. >>> we've seen this story, it broke last night on the huffington post, unfortunate. veteran affairs secretary robert mcdonald has been forced to admit that he wasn't in the special forces as he once claimed. the huffington post is reporting that mcdonald actually served in the army with the 82nd airborne. after graduating from west point, that was the only assignment he ever had, but it was this january comment that he made to a homeless man that was caught by cbs that prompted the report. >> last night, even the v.a.'s new secretary, robert mcdonald, was out counting. >> really? army? navy? >> army. >> what unit? >> special forces. >> special forces. what years? i was in special forces. >> according to the huffington post mcdonald said i have no excuse. i was not in the special forces. not sure how you forget that. he added, i reacted spontaneously, and i

rubio's website says the raise act would essentially make wages set in union contracts a minimum floor while gives employers the flexibility to reward diligent employees for their hard work. that's where it really sounds good. the bill sounds great on paper, but it is a union buster. that's what they love to do. the legislation is designed to corrupt the collective bargaining process. this creates a climate in the workplace that sets the table for, i believe, discrimination. i thought we passed all that. this would give companies the

i cannot figure out how rubio gets out of jeb's shadow. you know. is blowing people away on the right on his policy speeches. >> and mitt romney is not so quietly, you know, getting behind him. because he keeps talking about the next generation. -- >> mark row rubio? >> oh, he's anti-jeb bush. his view is i believe you cannot have they can't both be it it's got to be either jeb or marco rubio when it comes down to the finish line. so if you pump up mark yo rubio that stops jeb bush in his tracks. >> katty london is like -- >> london -- >> are you guys hosting a caucus or something? because scott walker is headed there, too. i guess it's raising money? >> it's clearly treacherous territory. because you remember mitt romney went there just before the olympics and made that comment about how the olympics were not going to be safe and he had a disastrous week in london. chris christie's just come back from london as well and one thing we learned from chris christie and rand paul is don't shush female reporters. it never looks good. which is what rand pa

his jeb bush on the same page as rubio and ryan? >> it is early to say.hey are still formulating their policy positions and picking about where they are. he is thinking about the question of mobility. everybody running for president is going to be talking about that issue. that is where the economic date is going. i think that is a good thing. the parties have been talking past each other in the last 10 years. when have talked about the economy, they have talked about different rings. coming to a debate that is about how to enable mobility is a way to clarify the differences between the parties and help them think about the same questions. >> wilhelm hillary clinton -- wilhelm hillaryl hillary clinton talk more about this and less about how to revive clinton economics? >> both sides are going to test on these issues. every candidate. when hillary ran in 2008, she was talking about issues, the stagnant middle-class. those challenges have only become more pronounced. i imagine the challenge of the middle class and social mobility . a rising inequality. >> h

. >> i heard marco rubio who was very -- >> rubio was great, yeah. >> said, you know -- now, as i recall, governor bush said, well, one shouldn't question the president's motives. >> that's right. >> doesn't quite say what he thinks those motives are. he didn't quite answer the question do you believe he -- >> okay. scott walker was the flavor. why didn't he say something? why didn't scott walker say something? everybody's loving scott walker. he's the new version of the old. >> that's right. >> he's the new establishment. here's what he said. you should ask the president what he thinks about america. he added, "i never asked him, so i don't know." what a high school answer. "i never asked him." >> his team realized it right away and called the reporter right away and said he wasn't questioning -- >> she had to clean up -- >> no, no. >> i think what he meant to say -- >> let's face it. you know this. these guys who we've been talking about are starting to run for president. they're starting to do their public campaigns and it's going to be growing up time and they're going to make mistak

senator rubio did say on the record he disagrees with giuliani. but none of them have come out and shown what john mccain said in a crowd of people where he could have been heckled. none of them has shown that kind of moral strength. >> no that was very gutly from mccain. he got criticized by some people to his right for saying that. >> he did. >> marco rubio said almost exactly the thing john mccain said. there are two things about this. what does this say republicans really think of their own people? because this is their judgment on their own base. and what they're saying is their own base believes this stuff? that doesn't show a lot of respect for your base. but what they also don't get is there are plenty of people who are not liberals and people who didn't vote for president obama but they're uncomfortable and unhappy when politicians talk like this. so i think they're definitely making a mistake with middle of the road voters but it says terrible things about their analysis of their own party. >> let me go back to another point you were com

just before we came to air, i spoke to republican senator, marco rubio.believe that we have set some sort of a precedent that the united states is willing to engage in a prisoner swap with our terrorist enemies? >> i don't think there's any doubt about that. the people noticed it other enemies have noticed it. we said at the time that that swap in and of itself would now put a price tag on the head of every american abroad. isil as we speak is actively looking for more westerners to kidnap, particularly americans, because they can either butcher them in hess horrifying videos that we keep seeing, and it's a propaganda win for them, or hopefully in their mind they think they can get a trade or money on their behalf. there's no doubt in my mind that that prisoner swap created that incentive. >> let's talk about the authorization for use of military force. both parties have been pressing for a new one of these. we had one before we went to war in afghanistan and iraq. some say we need a new one. now the white house is coming back and going to present it to c

rubio will run as far as he can. senate again. >> scott walker so far in your view he's the darling of the cpac now. is he getting sympathy because he came under criticism for his comments about i handled the unions -- >> i think what scott walker has to understand and all of them has to understand the game has changed dramatically. i've been doing it for 50 years. anything you say, anyplace, any time, with cell phones and cameras everywhere, you have to be very disciplined in your message and try and think through how your enemies can use your things against you. his comments were a totally correct and innocent comment. at the end of the day the media is not for him. the higher he rises they'll tear him down. he'll be one of the three or four finals. >> curious on your thoughts of laura's comments -- >> i lovei love laura. that won't happen. >> she was brutal. so critical of jeb bush. >> she's tough. tough. i wouldn't want to be on her enemy list. there's a lot of conservatives not ready for another bush. there it d

we had senator rubio, friend of yours from florida. i asked him the same question. we hear about spending cut and tax increases. we always get the tax increase and never get the spending cut. the congress tried comprehensive immigration reform and it failed. we have a crisis going on with the department of homeland security and the presidents' orders. why not secure the borders first. once it is verified secure. >> let's do it, man. so instead of having the political argument about this, the president did use authority he doesn't have. the courts will overrule that. let's control the border. there is nothing wrong with that. that is what a great nation has to do. there is nothing back to put a comprehensive plan in place to do that. but this nation needs to grow at a far faster rate we are growing today. we have to be young and dynamic and aspirational again to get a job, purpose and meaning. we need to change the subject to high sustained economic growth. >> i don't want to spend all of our time on immigration. but number one do you agree with conservatives that sa

marco rubio.significant that they are setting up to run against hillary clinton potentially on this issue. >> this is going to be one of those rare presidential runs in which foreign affairs is one of the dom that the issues. dominant issues. only happened in 1980 and 2004. now it's back because we are so deeply into this and because isis and the beheading of americans won't let us away from the issue as well as a the fact that we're -- our allies are in retreat in ukraine and a lot of other places. this administration, the obama administration came into office with the promise that would raise our standing in the world earn us respect and friendship and has done probably the worst job in a generation of that. we are at one of the lowest ebbs in terms of our standing in the real. the trust of our allies and fear of our enemies. that is is a very ripe field for the republicans. the problem is they have to have a candidate who can make the cased one who is the strongest in making that kind of case i

i think rubio took that opportunity. i think that walker proved that he wasn't there yet. >> there was something written yesterday that i thought was interesting. ask any parent. our culture is -- civility is eroding. the internet this goes to your point michael. the internet easily reinforces hateful language. nobody wants to live in a country where the single measure of patriotism is that you agree with me. giuliani isn't a deplorable man. his words were. >> i don't think this has anything to do with social media or the culture. i think culture was coarse and uncivil in the 1950s and 1960s. i think as far as we should focus on what rudy giuliani is saying. in so many ways it's a flashback to 2007. we all covered that campaign. in hearing haley barbour talk just now, him bringing up jeremiah wright and saying let's focus on policy and rudy giuliani of course essentially saying that the president was raised as a communist, that he somehow is different although i can't figure out why. that's his argument. it's despicable.

if you pump up marco rubio. >> are you guys hosting a caucus?aded there, too. >> it is treacherous territory. mitt romney was there just before the olympics and made the comment about how the olympics were not going to be safe. he had a disastrous week in london. one thing we have learned from chris christie and rand paul is don't shoosh refemale reporters. that's what rand paul did. >> going to the hillary clinton hire. the communications director for the white house is about to do the same job over there. >> is that the strength of the obama administration? >> i think one of the reasons what is interesting in her hiring in particular is that he has good relations with the press. hillary clinton historically has not. >> that has to be something you are thinking about as you are gearing up for this campaign how to make her more amenable to press coverage and dealing with those of us who -- >> what were your interactions? did you feel like they weren't that good eight years ago? >> i shouldn't have said that as harshly as i did. i think this is a

rubio will run as far as he can.not he'll run for the us senate again. >> scott walker so far in your view he's the darling of the cpac now. is he getting sympathy because he came under criticism for his comments about i handled the unions -- >> i think what scott walker has to understand and all of them has to understand the game has changed dramatically. i've been doing it for 50 years. anything you say, anyplace, any time, with cell phones and cameras everywhere, you have to be very disciplined in your message and try and think through how your enemies can use your things against you. his comments were a totally correct and innocent comment. at the end of the day the media is not for him. the higher he rises they'll tear him down. he'll be one of the three or four finals. >> curious on your thoughts of laura's comments -- >> i lovei love laura. that won't happen. >> she was brutal. so critical of jeb bush. >> she's tough. tough. i wouldn't want to be on her enemy list. there's a lot of conservatives not ready for