night, 12 primaries forward democrats and republicans, virginia seems to be one of those where it rubioor kasich or senator wants to pull out an upset to stop donald trump on the republican side, and slow hillary clinton, would be one of those things. >> that seems to be the view at this point. particularly among establishment republicans, as you indicated. whoever they may be. shopping around, since the collapse of the jeb bush candid ac. -- candidacy. a number of them gravitating toward senator rubio. whether that will be enough to stop mr. trump, really remains to be seen. the point about mr. trump is he is drawing people who are new to the system. he has made a number of appearances in the state. the people who show up at these one in richmond on a school day drew about 5000. these are not the face is one ordinarily sees a republican committee meetings or conventions. >> have you ever seen a race like this? >> certainly, this is unusual in virginia. we are seeing more and more of these big personalities, particularly at the state level. governor terry mcauliffe is a member of the clinton pri