she's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler, ruby freeman. the minimum number is 18,000 for ruby. but they think it's probably about 56,000. but the minimum number is 18,000 on the ruby freeman night where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed. she stuffed the ballot boxes, let's face it, brad. >> can i say something about that? the votes at that point had been counted three times. i think they had been counted, recounted, and hand recounted. think about how blatantly ludicrous, past even what donald trump could believe, that one woman had stolen 56,000 votes on a usb and no one had figured it out. it's not a delusion. that passed delusion. after they became the target of this harassment campaign for the most powerful man on earth, ruby freeman and shaye had their lives destroyed. as moscow of the january six committee last summer. >> this turned my life upside down. i no longer give out my business carried. i don't transfer calls. i don't want anyone knowing my name. i don't want to go anywhere with my mom because she migh

it comes chapter two which might be the harassment of ruby freeman and shaye moss. so we call out with the harassment chapter, it gives the over and then, you present the evidence about that. so the jury at the end of it hears each of these chapters and it's a way to help them understand the story and how it all comes together as opposed to when you're moving chronologically as we've seen that list of overt acts, it gets to be a little bit of a mismatch. when you put it together knows chapters and i think the jury will get a comprehensive sense of all the different parts of the schemes. and at the end of the day after pick to. >> and terms of the various actors involved in those various schemes, have been making those kind of divides myself as we've been going through the various counts. okay here's the cast of characters involved in voting machine tampering. here's the cast of characters who appear to be involved in the harassment of ruby freeman. as the cast of characters that are parity involved in pressuring the state senate state the state legislator sure to th

and then rudy giuliani had something to say. >> ruby freeman and shea freeman moss and one other gentlemenrted passing around us about ports saying they were vials of heroin or cocaine. it is obvious they are involves in illegal activity that day. as of a week ago, they're still walking around georgia lying. they should have been questioned already. they're places of work and homes should have been searched. >> he is accusing them of crime. the words are used to charge him with the crime. >> as they should be. words have consequences and conduct has consequences. and when you have someone who propagating a narrative that knows that it is false and they're doing in conjunction with the criminal enterprise with other people surrounded by them, all engaged in a concerted effort to overturn an election, that is problematic. you cannot go and say things in public. well, you can but if they are harming and not true, they can come back. >> you can say that rudy giuliani can legally say things like that explain how it becomes a crime. explain how it becomes a rico when it is furtherance of and in

the two other defendants more specifically part of that conspiracy to interfere with ruby freeman and is the final chapter of this extraordinary indictment and still with us are -- barb mcquade, all former prosecutors. one case floating us the district attorney in the neighboring county as you used to be, what goes through your mind when you watch that indictment come to life in that video? >> so, i have to say, that is the first time i have seen that video. and, it is very disturbing to me. it also explains why d.a. willis felt it necessary to include allegations as it relates to what happened to miss freeman. and, those allegations are, the attempt and social solicitation of all statements, trying to get her to line change or story about what happened with respect to the counting of ballots, as well as intimidating her. i think that video is what the d.a. is basing certainly that later charge, the influence of intimidation charge on. so i anticipate that will be a key piece of evidence going forward in the trial. >> amy, one of your points in your new york times op-ed piece about th

thing is a big win when we're looking for justice for ruby freeman and shaye moss. of course when he was testifying in front of the january 6th select committee, could not lie under penalty of perjury. a little bit different than what he was saying publicly, of course. and blayne, we've also got more news in the georgia case. one of the indicted co-defendants kenneth chesebro is asking a judge to reveal the names of the unindicted co-conspirators and chesebro and sidney powell want to sever their cases from the other defendants. what exactly do they want? >> one of the interesting things when you have a sprawling case like this with 19 separate defendants. so with sidney powell and ken chesebro are asking is they want to be tried separately. from chesebro's standpoint he is the first person to have asked for a speedy trial. the judge said october 23rd is going to be your trial date. chesebro is saying let's fwd and make it official and remove the other 30 some odd charges, counts that he's not charged with. get those out of the way because his attorney is arguing th

then comes chapter 2 which might be the harassment of ruby freeman and shea moss. and the agent gives the overview and you present the evidence about that. the jury at the end of it hears each of these chapters. so it's a way to help them understand the story and how it all comes together as opposed to going through everything chronically. it gets to be a bit of a mismash. >> in terms of the various actors involved in the various schemes, i've been making divides myself, okay, here's the cast of characters in the voting machine tampering, here's the cast appeared to be involved in the harassment of ruby freeman, here's the ones pressuring the state legislature to throw out the lawful electors and replace them with the fake electors. you can see the chapters emerging the way you're describing it. does that also give you a structure for splitting up this list of various defendants into various groups, and you charge everyone together and that becomes a way to divide defendants into different trials as well? >> yes, very much so. you'll want to group the ones that hav

here's a reminder of just some of the deranged claims he made. >> tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss and one other gentleman quite obviously, surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they're vials of heroin or cocaine. i mean, it's obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor they are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity, again, that day. and that's a week ago and they're still walking around georgia lying. they should have been -- should have been questioned already. their places of work. their homes should have been searched. evidence of ballots. for evidence of usb ports. for evidence of voter fraud. >> those comments were blatantly false. first of all, it wasn't a usb port. it was a ginger mint. a candy that they were passing and eating. two, the votes had been counted multiple times with essentially the same results. so why did rudy giuliani continue to repeat this lie? well, he was taking his cues from his former boss, then president trump. here's part of the call trump made to georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger tr

do you think ruby freeman and shaye moss will see any of the damages that they do get?dn't be the first person to try to evade accountability and responsibility by not paying, or claiming to not be able to pay. we don't know yet. we haven't seen the evidence. i think if you read the court's opinion today, you'll see that a lot of the evidence that would go to net worth and financial conditions are documents and information we've been seeking for months now. and have never been provided. so, we'll have to get that information from them. he has now been ordered to turn that over to us as part of the next phase of this case. and be able to make a determination of what may or may not be collectible. so, all of that remains to be seen. it's gonna have been quickly, and the court has set a fairly aggressive timetable out for us to go through that discovery process. and to have a trial on the damages face. phase. >> we will see what that number. is mike gottlieb, thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> ahead, there are major new questions about senate minority leader,

but ruby freeman was not having it. she called the police once again and an officer took freeman and kuti to a police precinct where body footage seemed to capture ms. kuti seeming to threaten ms. freeman. i cannot say what will specifically take place, i just know that it will disrupt your freedom and the freedom of one or more of your family members. now they they're one of 19 individuals charged. this is the first time we're seeing charges for people who directly orchestrated trump's campaign harassment of the two black poll workers. and it is justice for the two black women whose lives were up ended. today trump signaled just how he plans to respond to this latest indictment, and we're going to have more on that right after the break. d we're going to have more on that right after the break. power on-the-go. so you can blend up a mouthwatering smoothie, protein shake, or latte wherever you are! recharge quickly with any usb port. best of all, it even cleans itself! just blend water with a drop of soap. what are you w

he smeared ruby freeman. he smeared others. he accused them of all kinds of misconduct.n led to violence and lead to threats on their lives, lead to threats on the lives of people like gabriel sterling. remember, he was a republican election official. so, all of that has to come in some place. and i think fani willis has done a good job of showing this is not some septic, clean blot. this was backed up by thugs, dogs that trump insisted on elevating, and spurring into action. elevating, and spurring into action that is part of the story. donald trump cannot escape responsibility because all these for people who are working towards a common outcome. and that common outcome was still -- >> you know, i don't make a shameless plug -- but if people don't want to revoke these things -- they are important because when you listen to them or when you read them, both indictments, jack smith and fani willis, you cannot escape the fact that donald trump could not have escaped the reality of what he did. he knew that every audit failed. he knew that every recount failed. he knew that

ruby freeman and shaye moss, they're constituents.y love right here and they were election day workers who went in to do their job, and what should have been an uneventful experience because we have people who signed up to do this work for not a lot of money, but to uphold our democracy and they were subjected to this because they simply showed up to do their job that day. that is why we introduced legislation in congress around election subversion and i was happy to hear when hearing the details from the indictment that my district attorney, also a constituent, was also focusing in on the election subversion piece and not just the piece of that you hear about so often in the news and the media. let's be clear, donald trump and his co-conspirators have done a lot of things that are illegal and our district attorney is going to get to the bottom of this. uplifting those things around the election subversion and everyday people who didn't sign up to run for office, who didn't sign up to be subjected to this were -- had to move out of th

in june ruby freeman and shaye moss were cleared of any fraud cases.ions board double checking what are now initially what led to the indictments. so they even double check what the now indicted coconspirators were pushing. indictments are just. at the d.a. was clear about that last night. a set of allegations that have not been proven. these people are legally presumed innocent. but being legally presumed innocent's court is the legal side. the public side, or we just saw in that general six testimony and what has been documented, which you might read about in a paper, has been beyond ugly. i want to bring in kathryn christian, former assistant district attorney in manhattan, and then as nbc analyst. welcome back. >> glad to be here. >> i mentioned the dimensions to that and the legal process in it's required fairness. but we wanted to hit this is part of our special coverage. there have been many different strands. justice can be slow and the court process will still play out with trials. but tonight, given everything, what does it mean that the dea

this is ruby freeman, the mom. >> there is nowhere i feel safe. nowhere.know how it feels to have the president of the united states targeting you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. not to target one. but he targeted me. amy: that is ruby freeman. let's get to the core of this, latosha brown. she was an election worker come as was her daughter. this is about voting. georgia is historic for the fight for the vote for each and every person stop one of the people who has been indicted in this 19-person indictment, the publicist tied to the intimidation of the women. describe what happened and why this is so significant and historic and fundamental to u.s. democracy. >>'s freeman said people came to her house and asked her to make a statement that was not true, to say there was something wrong with the election. she has been harassed. she can't go and shop. she has experienced all kinds of traumatic experiences because of being targeted. i think it is interesting that one of the consistent things that trump does, while

that ruby freeman stuffed the ballot boxes. that hundreds of thousands of ballots had been dumped into fulton county and another county adjacent to fulton county in the presidential election in georgia. that he won the november 3rd 2020 presidential election in georgia by 400,000 votes. the indictment says, this was an act of racketeering activity and an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. we have much defendant trump news to consider in this hour, including his lawyers asking for a three-year delay in the washington d. c. trial of jack smith's indictment of donald trump for his activities leading up to and on january six, trying to over throw the presidential election, and although donald trump is not offering one word of defense in any of the criminal cases against him now, rudolph giuliani is trying to defend himself with pride public comments on his radio show in which he repeatedly refers to georgia's secretary of state, brad raffensperger as georgia's attorney general, for whom rudy giuliani expresses his unbridle

the day of ruby freeman and shea freeman moss and one other gentlemen quite obviously surreptitiouslyvials of heroin or cocaine. >> what was your mom actually handing you on that video? >> a ginger mint. >> and let me do one more here. let me also play what donald trump said about ruby freeman to georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> we had at least 18,000 that's on tape. we had them counted very painstakingly, 18,000 voters having to do with ruby freeman. she's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler. ruby freeman, that was the tape that's been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad, you, me, and everybody else. >> so i want to deal with the legality of it. let me just say that talking about vials of cocaine and calling someone a scammer and a hustler is also racist. trump and rudy both make flagrantly racist comments about these women who were the best among us, election workers, helping their neighbors figure out how to vote. ronnell, we know from the testimony that doj officials provided that this allegation was perhaps inappropriately

trump mentioned ruby freeman 18 times during his call with burgess secretary of state raffensperger. did these shed light on what was taking place? >> one they identified african-american women who were doing the work of democracy as basically being a threat to his presidency. two, they lied. they just live. as brad raffensperger said, this was a slice and dice video that they portrayed as being the alpha and omega of the smoking gun proof that fraud had happened, that they had pulled out suitcases a ballots underneath a desk in state farm arena and then copied them 18,000 times, running through to jack up biden's victory. except the hand recount and the machine recount denied that. because if you have the ballots, then you don't have 18,000 additional votes. and the targeting of ruby freeman, by saying that she is a hustler, she is a dope dealer, hustler, hustler, linking blackness with criminality. it was a way to then try to solidify that charge of fraud. and by -- when the minister goes to ruby freeman's house and he knocks on her door and she won't answer and then he calls the b

but ruby freeman was not having it. nd kutti to a police precinct, where body camera footage showed kutti threatening miss freeman. i cannot say what specifically will take place, kutti said to miss freeman. but it will affect your freedom and the freedom of one or more of your family members. >> now trevian kutti and harrison floyd or my 19 individuals charged in fani willis's case. this is the first time we are seeing charges for the people who allegedly directly orchestrated trump's campaign of harassment against those two black poll workers. it is the first attempt at justice for the two black women whose lives were upended by trump's racist conspiracies, his supporters races threats, and his lackeys racist pressure campaigns. today, trump signal just how he plans to respond to this latest indictment. we're going to have more on that, right after the break. t after the break. kin, try downy free & gentle downy will soften your clothes without dyes or perfumes. the towel washed with downy is softer, and gentler on you

day of january 2021, steven lee solicited harrison floyd to assist with his effort to speak to ruby freemana fulton county, georgia election worker. lee states to floyd that freeman was afraid to talk to lee because he was a white man. these were overt asked in the furtherance of a conspiracy. she'll admit she tried to overturn the election or brought in fraudulent votes but won't say it's me because i'm a white man. talk about that part of the indictment. >> yeah. or probably a bit more cynical or damning reading of that is they felt by finding someone black who perhaps could relate to miss freeman in a different way would allow her to be more easily manipulated into lying or confessing things that could you know, make her be plausible or responsible for some of the wrong doing they're alleging while furthering their attempts to overturn the election. and so that's what we saw play out in the indictment as it was mentioned that you know, they did try to cozy up to miss freeman, provide her support, provide her cover, but really they were secretly working according to the indictment, with t

ruby freeman and shaye moss. the election, the mother daughter duo, both atlanta election workers, found themselves at the center of one of the most persistent conspiracies spread by trump and his allies. using selectively edited video, trump and rudy giuliani claimed that freeman and moss committed voter fraud by pulling out fraudulent ballots permissive case on election night. giuliani also said freeman and moss passing around usb drives containing votes, quote, like vials of heroin or cocaine during ballot counting operations. trump had referred to the two women more than a dozen times during his call with raffensperger, falsely calling freeman a quote professional vote scammer and hustler. despite georgia election officials immediately debunking these outrageous claims the lies spread and spread and spread in conservative media like wildfire. last year, freeman and moss testified before the january sixth committee. and they shared how the ex presidents dangerous disinformation campaign nearly destroyed their

these statements are completely false and also deeply disturbing. >> taped earlier in the day, ruby freemanye freeman moss and one other gentleman started passing around usb ports as if they were heroin or cocaine. it is obvious to anyone who is a criminal investigator or prosecutor, they are engaged in illegal activity again that day. that is a week ago and they are still walking around georgia lying. amy: the black former state election worker also testified before the house selection committee. this is shaye moss being questioned by adam schiff. >> how did you first become aware that rudy giuliani was accusing you and your mother of a crime? >> i was at work like always. the former chief, mr. jones, asked me to come to his office. when i went to his office, the former director was in there. they showed me a video on their computer. it was just like a very short clip of us working at state farm. it had someone on the video talking over the video just saying that we were doing things that we were not supposed to do, just lying throughout the video. that is when i first found out about it.

do you see a through-line between the experiences of ruby freeman and other election workers and theatment of the jurors and judges? >> we find ourselves in an environment where it has become acceptable for some to leverage what they believe are their first amendment rights to attack others and foment violence and intimidate and threaten others in their official capacity or incapacity they have been tasked with, whether a juror or stepping into serve as a temporary poll worker. this is definitely pervasive. we are seeing it at school board meetings, with poll workers, with jurors, judges. we have to understand this is not the way of free and fair society functions. and we need to hold people accountable when they step beyond that line of the first amendment protections and step into the line yelling fire in a crowded theater. >> ruby freeman and her daughter are both no longer election officials due to their experience. how are those threats, the intimidation you laid out, impacting your ability to recruit future election workers? >> in this moment, it is difficult finding individual

listen. >> ruby freeman and shea freeman moss and one other gentleman surreptitiously passing around there are vials of heroin or cocaine. i mean, it's obvious to anyone who is a criminal investigator or prosecutor everybody they are ingauged in illegal activity again that day. a week ago, they are still walking around georgia lying. they should have been questioned already. their places of work, their homes should have been searched. >> it turns out they were not lying. he was lying. and admitted that he did not tell the truth. what the hell has happened to rudy giuliani? >> that i cannot answer. the man has had such a remarkable downward spiral. it's really horrifying to see. he was once a respected prosecutor. now here he is lying about these women, destroying their lives, and now being held accountable. i think it's interesting what the judge did here. the judge's ruling was, i'm done with you. this is what we call a default judgment. the judge said you have violated the rules, the evidence, the procedures so badly, i'm calling it. it's over. if in a football game a referee said

reidout" with joy reid starts now. >>> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman rupty shously passing around zurks b ports as if they're viles of heroin or cocaine. >> what was your mom actually handing you on that video? >> a ginger mint. >> welcome to the find-out era. rudy giuliani is slapped with a summary judgment finding him able for defaming georgia election workers ruby freeman and shea moss. the courts will now decide how

john m: i don't know about ruby freeman and i don't know about coffee county. the addendum seems to be this telephone conversation. brad roethlisberger. the reason i think it would be difficult to charge him with that is virtually every report of that conversation has been skewed against president trump. every single one of those reports. president trump told brad roethlisberger, you need to find me 11,500 some odd votes. he did dollars of a favor by recording this because while it was not a perfect conversation, i went back through this and what does he say? he says at one point, we can go through signature verification and we will find hundreds of thousands of signatures if you let us do it. he is asking him to make records available to them. he says all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,570 votes which is more than we had because we won the state. at another point, he says i have to find 12,000 votes. finally what he says is all we have to do to one of his attorneys on the phone is find 11,000. . plus votes at no point does he say brad, you need t

living nightmare and putting them in danger with lies like this one. >> tape earlier in the day of ruby freemane other gentleman quite obviously surreptitiously passing and usb ports as if they are vials of heroin or cocaine. it is obvious to nern who is a criminal investigator or prosecutor they are engaged in surreptitious criminal activity again that day. >> joining me is the attorney for ruby freeman and shay moss, might gottlieb. it wasn't a usb it was a gender bent, we have all come around to understand that. how did ruby and shay respond when they heard the judge's ruling today? >> thank you, it's wonderful to be here today. they have been through so much and really been heroic in their willingness to to not lie do n and to stand up and fight what is right not just for them but for democracy and for the future of protection of election workers throughout the united states. so they were very pleased to hear about this result today. they feel vindicated. but they know that there is more work to do and that there is a long road ahead for the two of them in restoring their recommendation and

ruby freeman, her daughter shea moss, and rudy giuliani. giuliani says he is wrongly accused in this defamation lawsuit, and i want to share what he said last week to our colleague. >> mister mayor, do you acknowledge that you made false statements? . >> that is a lie. >> you acknowledged it, why didn't you fight it? >> i did not ignore it acknowledge it, that is a stipulation in every lawsuit not for the purposes of truth. >> you did not contest it, you had the opportunity to fight. that >> wrong. i did not because i had to move on to legal issues. let me take another question. >> okay, i am clearly confused. last week, last month, giuliani conceded that he did in fact make false statements, so what happened with today's ruling, joyce? >> right, so, what you heard from giuliani and that clique was a bunch of mumbo jumbo that didn't mean anything and vaughn hillyard was right, judge howell and the district of columbia confirmed that, today. what she said was, rudy giuliani failed to comply with his discovery obligations, to turn over inform

one can imagine it will be a lot to ruby freeman and shea moss. he has been adjudicated as having defamed them and is on tape defaming them. now there will be a decision about how much he's going to have to pay out. he then, you know, i'm not a prosecutor, but he seems to me -- is it even too late for someone at his level of guilt to try to find a way to save himself, at least from some of the legal peril because it seems financially he's dead, done. >> never too late, joy. look, the prosecutors in both the federal and the state cases will continue to try to develop additional evidence, just because the case is charged, doesn't mean that that process stops. what often happens as katie just said is after an indictment people assess their exposure and look at the discovery and they have a clear eyed assessment of the risk of serious consequences, criminal consequences. they make a decision to make a deal. essentially to provide information, truthful information, in exchange for the hope of leniency. impossible to say whether or not mayor giuliani wo

they call ruby freeman. you called her as a journalist. they were calling her over and over, back to back to back. couldn't get her on the phone. finally this pastor shows up at her door. she calls 911. here's that call. >> they keep saying time is running out and i'm going to need some representation. they are saying i need help. and they can help me. because they say they're coming after me. >> do you know who these people are? >> no, that's why i wanted the police to come. and go outside and talk with them with the police being there. i'm not talking now. >> and just to correct, this was after the pastor tried to get in touch with her, then goes back to his fellow gang members and essentially says, she doesn't want to talk to me because she's afraid to talk to a white man. you do it. so a gentleman who is another one of the indicted people, neal, to bring you in here, who is the head of black voices for trump, he gets involved. he gets trivian coody, and he shows up, and that's why she's now calling 911. this is a classic, you know, bas

laura: first, it was ruby freeman, a fulton county election worker targeted and smeared by trump and his allies in the aftermath of the 2020 election. the georgia indictment details how members of the enterprise traveled from out of state to harass freeman, intimidate her, and solicit her to falsely confess to election crimes that she did not commit. last week, a racist death threat against the judge presiding over the federal january 6 case led to an arrest. it is a familiar pattern. trump posts tree alec attacks and conspiracies. then his most ardent followers stop or threaten the targets of those attacks. tammy patrick knows the steaks well. she is a former election worker in maricopa county and now the ceo of programs at the national association for election officials. thank you so much for joining "newshour." ruby freeman and her daughter, who was also an election worker in 2020, have spoken about the impact of that election intimidation on their lives. >> there is nowhere i feel safe. nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states to target you? th

he said something specific about ruby freeman. we had at least 18,000 that's on tape, we had them counted very painstakingly, 18,000 voters having to do with ruby freeman, she's a vote scammer, professional vote scammer and hustler. >> you know, we saw ruby freeman testify in front of the january 6th committee, very powerful, very emotional, very real human toll here. can we play that? >> there is nowhere i feel safe, nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. not to target one. but he targeted me. >> she testified publicly in front of the january 6th committee as well which was very powerful. what's striking is, one, that's a central piece of this indictment. the intimidation and all of the people trump down that participated in it but also the very real human toll and effect. there will be cameras in the courtroom for this trial. >> this case is going to be very different for a couple of reasons. the first is

the world as he repeatedly and falsely accused the mother and daughter of stealing ballots. >> ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss and one other gentleman, quite obviously passing around usb ports as if they are vials of heroin or cocaine. >> reporter: the women told the january 6th committee giuliani's false claims ruined their lives. >> i've lost my name, and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security, all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally, rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, shaye, to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen. >> reporter: giuliani has conceded his statements about moss and freeman were false, though he insists they were protected by the first amendment. but today, judge beryl howell holding him liable for "defamation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and civil conspiracy." she says she entered the default judgement, because ghoiuliani failed to turn over evidence, only, quote, blobs of indecipherable data. now a jury will decide how much giuliani has to pay freeman and mo

to say what happened there isn't important, but i do think happened was really -- was awful for ruby freeman from everything that we know from her testimony. i think we're going to hear a lot more about it as this case eventually goes to trial. >> there is something very telling in just the optics of the appearance of one person remaining in jail in fulton cond another, the former president, within 20 minutes able to leave with that pre-negotiated notion. by the way, we're talking about the ideas of a two-tiered justice system. while all the attention is on fulton county and what it looks like in this jail, i hope people are paying attention to the other jurisdictions across this country where we could have the same conversation about a two-tiered justice system and some conditions and unsanitary conditions that those who have a presumption of innocence continue to face today. thank you so much for both of you being here. >> absolutely. thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> look, there are four criminal indictments, everyone. you got a mug shot, and you got donald trump as the front-runner

cuddy tried to intimidate a georgia poll worker ruby freeman, traveling and calling her in georgia. >agreeing to meet with us. >> cuddy seen here in a video warning ruby that she was in danger. >> i cannot say what specifically will take place. i just know that it will disrupt your freedom and -- and your family members. are a loose end for a party that needs to tidy up. >> so she goes and has this meeting and according to the indictment then tries to convince her to say things that were not true about what happened during the vote counting. >> rudy giuliani also took aim at ruby and her daughter shay. >> if ruby freeman and shay freeman moss and one other gentleman kuwait obviously, surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they're vials of heroin and cocaine. >> this video allegedly edited and manipulated to show ruby passing her daughter shay a usb drive of stolen votes, but in emotional testimony before the january 6th committee last year, shay explained it was something completely innocent. >> what was your mom actually handing you on that video? >> a ginger mint. >> the mot

ruby freeman and moss have a response due to that on august 25th. i was just looking at the docket for that case. but his response to our colleague, vaughn hillyard, that he's lying by saying that rudy has admitted the falsity of those statements is itself a blatant mischaracterization of what he has admitted to. he is trying to limit his costs and his expenses by getting his liability out of the way so that that case solely becomes about damages. this is a person who's a sinking ship financially, and he made those admissions in order to reduce costs. now he's going to have to live with those. >> what about giuliani saying the fbi stole his icloud account. >> the fbi had a search warrant to go in his office and home, and multiple devices, and in the process of that they got access to his e-mails and icloud account. that was in service into whether giuliani had violated foreign lobbying laws. there was no fbi stealing going on here. in fact, the federal judge in charge appointed a special master to ensure that any attorney/client privileges were prot

ruby freeman and shaye moss actually sued rudy giuliani for defamation.nd of rhetoric, talking about these two black women as being drug dealers, stealing an election, that goes way back to the 1989 race for mayor. the 1989 race for mayor, which giuliani lost to the first black man elected as mayor in new york, david dinkins. as he told journalist jack new field in an interview he quotes, in his book, the full rudy, this is 21 years ago, and i'm quoting him here, they stole that election from, they stool that votes in the black parts of brooklyn and washington heights, illegal dominican immigrants were allowed to vote in washington heights. that sounds familiar, doesn't it? has a certain ring to it. let me tell you, as a lifelong new yorker, reporters in new york city and critics will tell you, rudy giuliani has always been an absolute machiavellian operator. so yeah, you might say, what happened to rudy? or you could say, this has always been rudy, all the way to the end. nick ackerman briefly worked alongside giuliani while serving as an assistant u.s.

but i think that what happened was really -- was awful for ruby freeman from everything we know fromestimony. we will hear more about it as this case goes to trial. >> there is something telling in the optics of the appearance of one person remaining in jail in fulton county and another, the president, former president, within 20 minutes able to leave with that prenegotiated notion. by the way, talking about two-tiered justice system, all the attention is on fulton county and what it looks like and this jail, i hope people are paying attention to the other jurisdictions across this country where we could have the same conversation, a tiwo tiere justice system and un-sanitary conditions that those who have a presumption of innocence continue to face today. >>> there are four criminal indictments. you got a mugshot and donald trump as the frontrunner still for the republican rnc nomination. next, what did president joe biden have to say about all of this? if you struggle. ♪ and struggle. ♪ and struggle with cpap. you should check out inspire. ♪ no mask. no hose. just sleep. inspire. sl

ruby freeman and her daunte sheamus. eatedly called them falsely ballot stuffing conspiracists. tonight, freeman's attorney is speaking to cnn, listen. >> this is a significant milestone. it is a finding of liability on every count. of our claims that we have brought in this lawsuit. so it is a significant validation of what they have been saying since day one which is that they were unfairly and improperly targeted for just doing their job. >> let's go to cnn political commentary and where errol louis. scott jennings and former fellow prosecutor renato mariotti. glad you are here. let's put this into context for a second. giuliani lost his case in part because he failed to produce subpoenaed evidence. he said he struggled to even maintain his access to his electronic records. you have to wonder, given that a couple of weeks ago he conceded in some respects he had made false statements. why would he go about this in this way? he risks losing billions id damages. why would he be so determined about testifying in this manne

i'm joined by von dubose, the attorney representing ruby freeman and shaye moss. eing here. i just want to find out how ms. freeman and ms. moss are feeling in the wake of this ruling in their favor. >> they feel good about it. they feel like this has been vindication, not all vindication, i would say, certainly partial vindication. there's still more work to be done. the trial phase, as you mentioned, is coming up next. and unfortunately, you can't win your sense of security at trial, so it won't be a full vindication in that sense. and restoring them to where they should be, but this was a good development, and they're very happy about what the judge did yesterday. >> and i can tell you that over here, we consider them to be national heroes because anyone who helps folks vote, other than librarians, those are my favorite people. let's remind everyone what was said about these two wonderful women by rudy giuliani in which he defamed them. >> earlier in the day, ruby freeman and shaye moss and one of the gentleman quite obviously surreptitiously started passing aro

ruby freeman and this video of her and her daughter counting votes at state farm arena at one of the polls closed in november of 2020 is a central figure in all of this thing because the claims that were shared by rudy giuliani and others were debunked in realtime. but, harrison floyd is one of the people that showed up to ruby freeman and pressured her to say look, you need to say that you committed this fraud, we'll take care of you. and now, because of that, it is testimony and especially his role in this, is central to this racketeering case. so that is why you are seeing him in jail right now, because he was one of the only 19 who did not negotiate a bond agreement ahead of time and that is why he is still sitting in a fulton county jail. >> there was some reporting that he threatened eight fbi agents, police officers. does that have anything to do with him potentially still being in jail right now? >> right, that is what the judge mentioned. the over pinch arch against, him he's facing charges elsewhere for the allegations of harassing an fbi official, or something to do withou

you don't get to make up fake stories about ruby freeman and shea moss.send people to shake them down to get their stories to change, to falsely say that there was fraud in the election. you don't get to break into voting machines. i mean, there's just a whole series of things that you are not allowed to do. what you can do is you can go to court. and they did go to court and they lost. and that's the end of it. that was their legal remedy. so that is all extra judicial, which is a fancy way of saying criminal. and so whether mark meadows is, and i totally agree with tim that he's sort of all over the place, he is sort of the yes man to everybody, but he can be charged for what he is doing, what he is participating in and that is how he has been chrged in the state case. >> we need you all to stick around a little bit longer with us. coming up next, we'll turn to one of the president's co-defendants to that small army of unindicted co-conspirators. there are 30 of those people that feature prominently in fani willis's case against trump. that's next. ump.