. >> c-span: rudolf hess? >> guest: rudolf hess, yes, but probably because of the cruelty, the way he really shoot them himself people he himself killed people and that the mass wanted to stone him. >> c-span: let me show some video because in the end when he was hanged, it was one of the stranger things to see. it's on video and here was the end of your grandfather when he was - when he was put to death. >> we're not going to show the last part when he was actually hanged. you've - i assume you've seen that before? what was your reaction to that when you saw it? >> guest: i saw the execution just hours after i discovered the biography about my mother in the library. so i was already in shock. and when i saw the execution for the first time, i did not expect that it would not work out because this is something that is so serial. and i remember myself sitting in front of the tv and though i was - i didn't know whether to cry or to laugh, not to cry because of i was sad, but this is something that was - yes, it