rudolph talked about working on that extensively. i was on and off at 17 years at that case and i'm telling you these guys get an arrogance about them that they think they can't be caught and if i could tell you the number of times that i've knocked on a guy's door that planted a bomb years ago and said, i have a warrant for you, you wouldn't believe it. they don't believe that you're ever going to find who they are. >> i see that. jim, can you see that in their faces? not to be too cute here, but i tell you, i've seen people come on television more nervous than these guys look. they look like cool customers and even more so because of their coolness. >> clint was a profiler. i'm telling you, we started atf put two profilers in that behavioral unit in 1983. we've had them there since. i've worked with them as commander. they are great. they tell you the kind of things, the nuances you need to know. but you don't need to know all that. if you look at the circumstances here, any good cop, journalist, any smart citizen can see what is g

but where is the meme of big government causes all of society's ills really coming from when eric rudolph the one nine hundred ninety six olympic bomber was captured and shed some light on why he committed those horrific bombings rudolph said that he thought that the olympics by bringing together athletes from throughout the world on an equal basis promoted his words the despicable ideals of global socialism. now how many times a day does some talking head in the right wing media and the blogosphere argue that america is turning into our socialist country how many times a day do they argue that regard murder as a cause of all our nation's problems government is a constant enemy of right wingers who are often funded by billionaires speaking about hillary clinton for example multimillionaire dick armey once said that hillary clinton bothers me a lot i realize the other day that are thought sod a lot like karl marx she hangs around a lot of marxists all her friends are marxists frank that never realized that he was reading marx but and then there is charles koch who is speaking back in octob

but where is the meme of big government causes all of society's ills really coming from when eric rudolph the one nine hundred ninety six olympic bomber was captured and shed some light on why he committed was horrific bombings rudolph said that he thought that the olympics by bringing together athletes from throughout the world on an equal basis promoted his words the despicable ideals of global socialism. now how many times a day does some talking head in the right wing media and the blogosphere argue that america is turning into our socialist country how many times a day do they argue that their god mart is the cause of all our nation's problems government is a constant enemy of right wingers who are often funded by billionaires speaking about hillary clinton for example multimillionaire dick armey once said that hillary clinton bothers me a lot i realize the other day that or thought sod a lot like karl marx she hangs around a lot of marxists all her friends are marxists for it that never realized that he was reading marx and others charles koch who's speaking back in october two thou

are these americans who have some issue like a timothy mcveigh or eric robert rudolph. we think these things might make sense. and then when you learn what they are really about, they often don't. when eric robert rudolph set off the bomb at centennial park in the olympics back in the mid '90s, you kind of sat him down later and said, well, what was that about. he said well, the olympics, it was representative of the new world order. you know, soon the black helicopter is going to come and the u.n. is going to take over all the countries. and you're like, that was it,? really? so you don't know what they are operating on. and that is a great curiosity to me. because when you see this kind of carnage, this kind of sensect then you hear later how the person behind it or people behind it make sense of it, oftentimes you are scratching your head saying that was it am. >> rose: but based on your experience f you have these number of things going for new law enforcement, do you usually get your man rather quickly? >> it depends what your man has done. and what his network is.

during olympic bombing robert rudolph used dynamite. and in fact that was actually traced to north carolina in the mountains of north carolina that was a full year or, like rudolph himself was identified and whether that trail taken back to the mountains of north carolina so these things tend to overlap, some things you get before you are expected to. other things you don't get until later but it comes together and creates a composite. that is a process we'll hopefully not only put us on the trail but help us identify who did this. >> hopefully, quickly. thank you. >> thank you, shep. >> our coverage continues throughout the night. i'm certain days and weeks ahead there is much to be learned in all of those pictures today we saw people helping neighbors in big ways. this was reassuring.

he is the former mayor of new york city, rudolph giuliani. as you know, he was mayor of new york during 9/11. he sat down right here with me. >> at this moment, what is the most helpful to boston? is it surveillance tapes? are they studying those? is it the videos people are sending in? >> it's interesting. i was in london when the attack took place on july 7 of 2005. they caught those people in less than a day. they caught them with tape. >> surveillance? >> they got a lot of surveillance cameras in boston. more than new york, less than london. >> more than new york? >> more than new york, less than london. you also had a very much focused on event with professional cameras, amateur cameras. it may be that some person photographing their husband coming across the finish line might have caught something. the critical film might not get turned in for two or three days. the person might not even know they have it. >> what's your message tonight to the mayor of boston and to the people? >> people should go about their lives. they should not let

neil: when you were tracking down rudolph everybody said he would not get him and there you were everyyears but you got him. obviously your bosses say at the time we thank you are a genius we had his name and number fairly quickly the. neil: but just as quickly here, they seem to have quickly concluded, local authorities at this point* that these two brothers acted alone. how do they know that? and do you agree with that? >> at this point* you can determine based on the links coming out whether or not they acted alone or not. is all appearances and it looks like they may have acted alone. we talked about before in this day and age when of the fears of the country is people will develop tendencies and get on the internet than all the sudden they decide to become full lew wolff -- a lone wolf. neil: when you say acting alone or having visited radical countries or acting alone you say they may not be supporting were financing your efforts the are you really alone? >> i think you are alone in the legal sense that no way you could hold someone accountable for putting videos on new tube. nei

kathleen was a bureau agent who work on the ewan bomber and eric rudolph and a clinical psychologist. shed a access of fbi files and the files of the u.s. secret service. unfettered access and cooperation. here's what she found. these people were unable to belong. they tried to belong to organizations. they tried to have seems of belonging with people they thought they shared similarities with. but they were never able to make that connection. every one of the serial bombers she looked at had that situation or that type of problem. now, when we first started hearing more about these brothers, particularly i'm talking about tamerlan -- it was almost haunting to hear that both from his family, both back and russia and here in the u.s., and also from some of his friends, he was starting to express, he had trouble feeling he was fitting in anywhere, and i think that's going to be more telling as the days and weeks go on. >> shepard: even heard that at kole bum -- columbine shootings. thank you very much, terry. >> you're very welcome. >> shepard: we're going to have much more on this, new

during olympic bombing robert rudolph used dynamite.fact that was actually traced to north carolina in the mountains of north carolina that was a full year or, like rudolph himself was identified and whether that trail taken back to the mountains of north carolina so these things tend to overlap, some things you get before you are expected to. other things you don't get until later but it comes together and creates a composite. that is a process we'll hopefully not only put us on the trail but help us identify who did this. >> hopefully, quickly. thank you. >> thank you, shep. >> our coverage continues throughout the night. i'm certain days and weeks ahead there is much to be learned in all of those pictures today we saw people helping neighbors in big ways. [ engine sputters ] [ dennis ] allstate wants everyone to be protected on the road. whether you're an allstate customer or not. all you have to do is call. [ female announcer ] call and sign up for good hands roadside assistance today. [ dennis ] are you in good hands? even in stupi

they turned his life upside down and then we found out it was eric rudolph and not jewel. what is it about people? it's got to be them or it couldn't be us? >> it's some of each. part of it is humans are theory generators. we like to confirm evidence that confirm those hypotheses. laird on top of that is we have perceptions that are skewed by our membership and our own racial and ethnic groups and differences from other groups. not only do we have a stereotype that muslims are terrorists but we as americans as white americans, non-muslim americans have a harder time of seeing individual muslims as individual people who are different from each other. you compound that with the belief that they're involved in terrorism and it's hard to unmesh. >> michael: a study of the muslim public affairs council they found two-thirds of domestic terrorist plots were perpetrated by non-muslims. they're more likely to be prevented prior to implementation. what does that mean? >> i don't know how inclusive that study was, but i was struck when i saw it by the sheer number. the high number o

during olympic bombing robert rudolph used dynamite.actually traced to north carolina in the mountains of north carolina that was a full year or, like rudolph himself was identified and whether that trail taken back to the mountains of north carolina so these things tend to overlap, some things you get before you are expected to. other things you don't get until later but it comes together and creates a composite. that is a process we'll hopefully not only put us on the trail but help us identify who did this. >> hopefully, quickly. thank you. >> thank you, shep. >> our coverage continues throughout the night. i'm certain days and weeks ahead there is much to be learned in all of those pictures today we saw people helping neighbors in big ways. this was reassuring. back in four minutes. clients are always learning more to make their money do more. (ann) to help me plan my next move, i take scottrade's free, in-branch seminars... plus, their live webinars. i use daily market commentary to improve my strategy. and my local scottrade offic

this was going to go either really fast or it was going to take an enormous amount of time, an eric rudolph type scenario. it is remarkable. some of the quickly changing events and how they played out as you just talked about be, the person went outside and saw tsarnaev in the boat, it boggles the mind. now comes a longer phase, that's what we're about to get into. >> this is the next phase, spencer. >> it's about to settle from euphoria into acrimony. >> the traps were sprung for a big high-stakes fight about what we do with someone that we do apprehend under these circumstances and we are going to see that now. >> that's right. one of the amazing things that you've actually seen over the last couple days has been something of a, you know, particularly with the way this ended up today, a validation of the law enforcement approach to terrorism. you didn't really see much of a mill t militarization of what was out on the streetlights in boston. there was once a big prediction from the pentagon's ied people, you'd have to have the defense department play a major role in support of federal law

be off rudolph. and i'll fight a faucet if interest is they don't all want to be self-reliant is when god of what i did as goes on and gave us all these oil and gas on all these we are supposed to be surviving from ice and you'll see that some day and if it's a good up. how would you and i need to feed up again so that is why we decided no going to fight for water rights you see to this . i would does for the notion of lynn tell myself to fight for the last three. hours we start from the asphalt and i believe i would know what. we've got cause i was very marked out. years time. well i can. buy them for that was too much of a mercy by saying something if you say anything against them you need to add nothing to save you there are so many dead bodies under studios that dick keen that we have buried out on his side on this is the sole. if you had any bad news from you from you that day it's this well enough was that to keep . a lot of which involved oh no don't worry whoever shot the gun i'll break a sku

in the eric rudolph case, we had a photograph of eric rudolph with the alice pack, with a backpack, withb in it at olympic park but the photograph was so distant, we could hardly make him out. we used to call them in the command post, blob man, because we could see him threw but couldn't make out the features. we had that image for years but were never able to get an identification from it. so the clarity of the video, is the face available, is the clothes readily recognizable. the commanders are trying to make all of those decisions carefully. and i would say this. i try to release it in a tight circle to see if i can get something first and then start making the decision, i wouldn't want to start holding that too long if i thought i could get to the identity of the guy or perpetrators by releasing to the public. because the main thing is to catch these bombers before they strike again. >> michael isikoff, it seems that the next fbi briefing will, for some number of minutes anyway, be bogged down in the procedural question of why did you cancel the last briefing. and up until now it's b

but apparently rudolph yoe doesn't like it when you talk about his sex life. watch this. >> why aren't they breeding? oh my gosh, he just -- ahhhh! >> oh! >> right there, it reminds me of a little someone we know. the thing just dumps in her lap. >> oh, my god, he just got fed the biggest meal ever. oh, my god. >> i believe that's probably john in the background. >> i would have been in the bathroom. >> they do a youtube channel, they film a lot of stuff. i think she's frozen in fear because of what her lap looks like. >> it's like a dog poop on my lap. >> i didn't know that lizards could poo that much. i thought like a little tootsie roll toured. >> m surprised you thought about that. >> i've never thought about their poo. >> oh, my gosh, he just -- ahhhh! >>> jamie the bear, mcdonald, wants to break a food-eating record, so -- >> they put 70 pancakes in front of him. >> can he put away all of those pancakes? find out, >>> no ocean in michigan, that doesn't mean can't surf as proved by joe matoulis, he's on the red cedar river in east, lansing, michigan, heav

she's represented the unabomber, eric rudolph and tucson shooter jared loughner.e death penalty. joining me for tonight's law and disorder, attorneys gloria allred and thomas meserowe. i can't think of two finer legal minds to discuss what is a complicated issue. start with you, tom, if i may. this whole issue of miranda rights, from where i look at it, he's entitled to the same rights as any other american citizen. whether people like the fact he's an american citizen or not, he is an american citizen. >> well, i agree with that. however, we have to strike a balance between individual liberties and freedoms and national security problems. the fact that we're having so spirited a debate as this shows how great america is because we do protect individuals, we protect their liberty, their freedom, we protect everybody under the law as equal. by the same token, we're at war with terrorism so the question of how you get information without violating someone's civil liberties, not jeopardizing their right to due process and a fair trial is an ongoing debate and it's wh

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reminiscent of the olympic park bombing in atlanta in 1996, this was caused by white supremacist eric rudolph. more than a hundred hurt. three years ago a white supremacist planted a backpack bomb along the parade route for a martin luther king day observance in spokane, washington, but it was discovered before the event and was safely removed, brian. >> pete williams in our washington bureau. pete, thanks. >>> i want to bring in a proud son of boston. former boston police commissioner, new york city and los angeles. these days a security consultant. bill bratton. i understand you are in the london bureau where among the subjects you discussed today was public event security. i.e. prime minister thatcher's funeral where you have 2000 vips attending. how are we going to defend and protect our public events when this goes off within the security cordon apparently surrounded by police, ems, volunteers at the finish line of your beloved boston marathon. >> the reality as was evident today is you can't protect everything all the time. you try to prioritize, focus. you try to identify if there is a

rudolph who say your measure doesn't meet the definition of justice?ou know, obviously the family members can seek legal restitution, but this particular medal i think, while it can't bring back the lives of those lost, it is an effort on our part to really acknowledge nationally the sacrifice this family has made. you know, today is a celebration of the life and legacy of the four little girls. >> dianswer, this is certainly a landmark day for you and your family. your family becoming the faces of civil rights in the movement in this country. what is it about this tragic story that you think still capital investigates all of us here in the country? >> well, i think the story capital investigates so many people, not only in this country, but throughout the world, because it was such a horrible act. also, the fact that it was committed in a church, which is where people would think they would be safe. so i'm very elated, i'm happy, and i think -- i'm hoping that the whole world will rejoice if this congressional medal is awarded, we certainly have put i

. >> this is hagen canyon, the opening to hagen canyon, and rudolph hagen was a german immigrant who came in here around 1900 and he bought up all the old mining claims and he turned this into his own personal park. >> wait a minute. his own personal park. >> he bought the mine claims and then he was here for about 20, 25 years, and his son also lived here with h and he died while he was here and that's why you see so many things named ricardo because his son's name was ricardo. he also had a post office here. and during world war i, since he was a german immigrant, they took his post office rights away from him. so he just continued on with this as his park, he ran tours, he named everything. one of the most famous ones is that turk's turban right there. >> turk's turban. >> because it looks like a head with a turban around it. and it fell off from up above and came down and just set itself right there in the ground. >> wow. >> and it's been one of the-- on almost all the famous postcards from this area, have a picture of turk's turban on it. >> lots of postcards from this area, but

bodies, it just reminded me very much of the atlanta bombing, that bomb being put together by eric rudolph, now serving in prison for being convicted of that bombing. >> reporter: it's a meticulous level of detail that you can be sure investigators are honing in on right now. carol, we're still not getting any details about who may have carried this out. the pentagon says they have no specific leads, law enforcement agencies we've heard from says they don't know, domestic, foreign, no suspects in custody right now. one thing they did do repeatedly is ask the public for pictures. thet want the public to give any pictures they may have from the scene. what does that tell you? >> well, it tells you several things. i think the first is it tells you that they are open-minded to any strands of information that might come their way. they didn't have, it seems, complete surveillance from cameras that you might have had, say, in other urban centers like london, like district of columbia. so they are relying on individuals who witnessed things to show them pictures. but i think one of the more inter

he was cleared when investigators identified right wing extremist eric rudolph. he wasn't caught until 2003. >> we mentioned them earlier. the anthrax letters that killed five people after 9/11. that case is considered one of the most complex investigations in the history of the law enforcement. hundreds of federal agents were involved and four and a half million dollar reward was offered. for almost three years the chief person of interest in that case was bio weapon experts steven hatfield. like richard jewel he was exonerated. he settled a lawsuit for the federal government for nearly $6 million. the government's second suspect an army bio experts killed himself before charges were ever filed. to this day questions are still raised about the government's ability to conclusively link anyone to those anthrax attacks. >>> the day after the bombings another reassessment of security at events around the country and where we're already seeing increased security in the bay area. >> it's far more than the wireless networks are designed to carry. >>> cell phones crippl

again, the kind of nails that were used by eric rudolph in that bombing came from a fl particular batchparticular defect that they were able to trace, right. >>metalaurgist, they have a database on explosives, on me l metals, paints, you name it, they have a database and if they don't, one of their partners, someone in the uk, who has the biggest database on some plastic explosives, semtec, for instance, they'll ask for their assistance. they were able to do that by getting this evidence out of the victims. >> just, let me get in there for a second, not to worry people, we reported earlier that elizabeth cohen outside brigham and women's hospital said that police officers told her there may be an evacuation. employees are now being allowed back into the building. so whatever that threat was, and as anderson was saying often things are called in around -- surrounding events like this, that are cruel jokes or just, you know, wrong calls, and so people getting back into the hospital, in cause for threat there. >> i think it is a general policy from a reporting standpoint, not a big believe

i had been there on the eric rudolph case. i'd been there on a series of bombings on abortion clinics and other killers. and i always knew that you've got to watch, they're coming back. and the key for them to release that picture and leverage the citizens in the digital age and leverage the power of the media. i said on one of the nbc shows they'll have them wrapped up. they'll know who they are before the sun rises on the boston harbor. and it was only a few hours. >> so we'll take that. i agree with you on both. sadly, i think you're right that we stumbled across and interrupted a bombing campaign. more than stumbled across, they brought it to us. and i agree with you that this was the first of a new era. crowd-sourced social media use in a manhunt. and in this case the good guys won in the end. mr. cavanaugh, thank you very much for being with us tonight from nashville, tennessee. >> thank you, brian. >> we'll take another break. we'll check in with kate snow after this. >>> we have been relying heavily on the coverage of

know the name erik robert rudolph? he's serving life in prison for it. >> they'll be evaluating the devices they recover. >> reporter: we'll know more in the hours and days to come. >> could very well be that lone wolf sleeper didn't let a lot out, maybe a handful of individuals who may be involved are perpetrators. we don't know. >> reporter: what we do know is that without an ounce of doubt what was supposed to be the ultimate triumph in human ability and perseverance ended up the ultimate low in dispickability and cowardness. >> it's highly likely within 24 hours somebody at some level is going to know, have a pretty good idea who carried this out. we need to be patient and follow the facts. >> that was debra alfarone reporting. one of the interesting things about where this first explosion took place right near the finish line. i ran the boston marathon in 2005, worked in boston for four years. >> your wife has covered this as rouser. >> my wife -- producer. >> my wife maggie has produced it for a decade. where the

it wasn't until 2003 that police tracked down domestic terrorist eric robert rudolph. >> get back, please >> reporter: london, 2005. a series of coordinated suicide attacks on the subway and bus system left 52 people dead, 700 injured. the attackers used home made explosives packed into backpacks. those attacks on finds of the secret service when president obama was sworn in for the first time in 2009. dan bonngeno was the lead secret service agent as people packed the national mall in downtown d.c. a potential terrorist could have been hiding in plain sight. >> you can't guarantee anything. you reduce the probability to hopefully something minuscule so if something happens your response is enough to keep casualties to a minimum n times square 2010. a car bomb failed to explode and was disarmed before it could hurt anyone. two days later a pakistani-american was caught trying to board a flight to the middle east. big sporting events like the boston marathon had been viewed as inviting targets since 9/11. the marine corps marathon attracts 30,000 runners each year. super bowl organize ohhe

eric rudolph in the mountains in appalachia. we're going to find you. >> the one thing about the justice of the lord when he created us all, we're all good at one or two things. i assume these are laboratory geeks that probably put together the bomb and that's their strength. their strength isn't international geographgeography. they're probably people who figured out how to bomb. that's one thing they know how to do. >> an interesting dialogue we've been having. i appreciate listening in on the conversation, chris. the commercial surveillance tapes and gentlemen in law enforcement know better than i, oftentimes they'll keep them for x. number of days or weeks. it would be interesting to find out whether or not had they done like previous terrorists have done, did they survey the place two days before? everybody knew where the finish line was. i suspect they have gone back to see if one or two of these lookalikes were in the area a couple days -- >> if it was their first trip to this, maybe they looked for a crowd. a bunch of pe

it turned out to be eric rudolph. i think time will tell. i don't expect this case to be solved quickly. >> thank you very much for your commentary on this. i would like to get straight back to bill griffith. we have more information? >> we're trying to flesh this out. we have a note for pete williams. two sources tell nbc news that two people have video of a person placing a black bag down. one confirm authorities have video of several individuals including this one person who they are interested in questioning. these have been described to nbc has solid leads. looking for him to question. this is what we are getting at nbc news from law enforcement officials. not about an arrest. not about an identified suspect per say. but that they have leads based on the video surveillance cameras that they have had access to. >> we know this. a security camera is the camera which has captured much of the video that law enforcement officials are using in their investigation. that is from google maps and that is the camera on the corner of the lord and t

. >> eric rudolph. he was caught and on the run for years and they finally got him. >> right.is in florence, federal, in colorado. >> bill: so they are all except for lindh in indiana. >> he is serving life. >> bill: they catch these guys in boston. >> that is the point. >> bill: they will be executed, you can't do that. >> it's to send a message. >> bill: jesse watters is talking to the folks. we'll be right back. on your prepaid card? introducing chase liquid. the reloadable card with no fee reloads and withdrawals at chase atms. all for one flat monthly fee so there's zero confusion. get rid of prepaid problems. get chase liquid. >>. >> bill: in the segment tonight. watters living in boston, knowing it very well. people get angry about injustice like a cowardly attack. we sent to jesse watters to boston to talk to the folks. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> reporter: emotionally, how do you feel about the bombing? >> i feel really unsettled. it can happen anywhere but here and then i'm not going to feel that way. >> i was pretty devastated. it was a family event. something like that happens. >> it

have killed you want to go back and thousand years sure they were run over now that are about eric rudolph he was wrong absolutely they were here's an area they're pretty damn clear you know here's no no here's the difference you know it's all you have any where you might you know how you feel my church i heard some guy behind me going you know want there's abortion doctor and i'm going to take him out i would be the first one to call the f.b.i. i don't know that we have that same thing going on in those lines and why does the fact of the matter is and we've actually had you know f.b.i. people on the program talking about this the majority the majority of the overwhelming majority eighty ninety percent of all the people who have been successfully investigated and or prosecuted for muslim terrorism or terrorism affiliation the united states were turned in by other muslims that's the message that at all there have been there have been absolutely there have been some there have been no examples whether it is it is not and one thing that i know is a this is a subject i've studied a lot i've me

eric robert rudolph used nails as his form of shrapnel. that did a lot of damage to people injured at that location at that time. jon: i was struck in watching the footage yesterday by the smoke color. it was white. i know that holds some significance for people that know something about explosives. this was in the particularly black smoke. it was mostly white. >> well, smoke comes from the explosion itself and the very nature of an explosion you have something expanding very rapidly and white smoke versus a different color smoke such as black may give a signature that will help the authorities determine, you know, the nature of that explosive device itself or the propellant in that case. that explosion that gases increase at thousands of times in a fraction of a second of their original size. people die from the place itself but most people get injured from the shrapnel that is shot out from that explosion, that explosion itself. so, yeah, the smoke color will indicate, give a signature to the type of explosive device that was used in thi

reminiscent of the olympic park bombing in atlanta in 1996, this was caused by white supremacist eric rudolph. more than a hundred hurt. three years ago a white supremacist planted a backpack bomb along the parade route for a martin luther king day observance in spokane, washington, but it was discovered before the event and was safely removed, brian. >> pete williams in our washington bureau. pete, thanks. >>> i want to bring in a proud son of boston. former boston police commissioner, new york city and los angeles. these days a security consultant. bill bratton. i understand you are in the london bureau where among the subjects you discussed today was public event security. i.e. prime minister thatcher's funeral where you have 2000 vips attending. how are we going to defend and protect our public events when this goes off within the security cordon apparently surrounded by police, ems, volunteers at the finish line of your beloved boston marathon. >> the reality as was evident today is you can't protect everything all the time. you try to prioritize, focus. you try to identify if there is a

cenk: that turned out to be erik rudolph. >> i haven't read enough, but i don't think we're going to a claim of responsibility if we had not caught tim mcveigh. cenk: we never got clarity on the so-called second bomber at oklahoma city. >> eventually, you could interrogate tim mcveigh and get to the bottom of it. cenk: oh, right we killed him. >> everybody said there was a second bomber at oklahoma city and then the authorities were like we never caught that guy so no, there wasn't. maybe that's there, there was not. then you have the lunatics, like alex jones immediately claiming it's a false flag investigation. i want to show you a match up here a11 it's going to show the different people in the media and among the politicians talking about who it might be. >> a senior u.s. official tells us no foreign connection or link to al-qaeda has been found in this attack, at least not yet. >> well, we have learned they haven't been able to extinguish whether it's an international terrorist or domestic terrorist. >> i know that the pressure cooker was in the magazine that was the al-qaeda ma

clearly, there are cases, the uni bomber and eric rudolph, that took a very long time to solve.ake it a more difficult case to solve if you are dealing with an individual as opposed to a group? >> well, not necessarily. because you know, when you're on your own, you're alone. not only do you have to make the fusing and firing system, you have to purchase the components, deliver the device. you've got a chance of being seen. then you could have a couple of conspirators of multiple >>> will we refused to be terrorized or do we risk looking at categories of people in sometimes uncharitable ways? we'll talk to someone who's got a firsthand perspective, next. and ricin and. >>> breaking news on the third fatality from the bombing of the boston marathon. tonight, the chinese consulate general that a chinese citizen was killed in yesterday's explosion. family has asked that the victim's personal information not be disclosed. while the nation's attention has been focused on boston, there is other news happening. one of those other stories that has been easy to lose track of was a report

. >> eric rudolph. he was caught and on the run for years and they finally got him. >> right.ral, in colorado. >> bill: so they are all except for lindh in indiana. >> he is serving life. >> bill: they catch these guys in boston. >> that is the point. >> bill: they will be executed, you can't do that. >> it's to send a message. >> bill: jesse watters is talking to the folks. we'll be right back. it doesn't matter where a good idea comes from, it only matters that it shows up and makes things better. in that spirit, verizon is proud to announce the powerful answers award. 10 million dollars in prizes for the best ideas. ideas so big, they have the power to change everything. whether it's our inspiration, or yours, the world's biggest challenges the powerful answers award from verizon. morning because my back hurt so bad. the sleep number bed conforms to you. i wake up in the morning with no back pain. do you toss and turn? wake up with back pain? if so, call us now. you'll learn how the sleep number bed helps relieve back pain by allowing you to adjust the firmness and support

if you recall eric rudolph, bombs filled with similar devices as the boston marathons.ople here didn't get overseas training. they are looking at the traveling of the older brother to dagestan. this commander abu dujana was running bomb making courses for people in the countryside. they'll be looking another that very, very closely. no evidence he met this commander abu dujana. >> it is interesting that there is a mosque in dagestan in that city that is considered radical by the locals there. so again, we're trying to look into that again. >>> a police sergeant quick thinking helps him and police officers that the shootout that occurred late thursday night and friday morning. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] nothing gets you going quite like the power of quaker oats. today is going to be epic. quaker up. >>> well thousands of mourners are starting to gather for a memorial service for sean collier. his memorial starts at 12 noon. vice president joe biden is expected to speak there. there is something we learned about the gunfight that occurred in watertown. a quick thinking

i had been there in the eric rudolph case, on a series of bombings on abortion clinics and other killersew that you have to watch. they are coming back. the key for them to release that picture and leverage the citizens and the digital age and leverage the power of the media, i said on one of the nbc shows they'll have them wrapped up. they will know who they are before the sun rises on the boston harbor and it was only a few hours. >> we'll take that. agree with you on both. sadly i think you are right that we stumbled across an interrupted a bombing campaign, more than stumbled across, they brought it to us and i agree with you that this was the first of a new era. crowd sourced social media use in a manhunt and in this case the good guys won in the end. mr. cavanaugh, thank you very much for being with us tonight from nashville, tennessee. >> thank you, brian. we will take another break and check in with kate snow after this. ted is now on hold with his insurance company. maxwell is not and just confirmed a 5:30 time for tuesday. ted, is still waiting. yes! maxwell is out and about...