frederick douglass, lance watson, rudolph mckissick. i can name them. if they knew the talent that these people possess. what i wanted to do was translate the extraordinary capacity to preach, i'm a practitioner, but when i hear them preach, i want to give my license back. i wanted to combine that with what i knew to be the ability of the black pull pet to speak directly to white america. >> martin luther king jr., i wanted to harkin back to what dr. king was doing, and dig deep into black rhetoric and say, this is what we want to give you, i'm a scholar, i got a ph.d. but i wanted to go back -- old people said i had my burnin' before i had my learnin'. how do we give an adequate picture. i knew that preaching was the basis of it. paul tillic said, i reserve one arrogance, when it comes to theology, germans have it. when it comes to preachin', we killing that name. you all do something else, do scooby doo or something, we're killing the american preaching. >> yet there's a fine line -- you don't want to be guilty of preaching in a way where you misconne