he really does treat rudy like his own personal manservant.iani, the man who supposedly spent his tenure in new york taking down the mafia and now he's basically running errands like the kid from "a bronx tale," hoping to become a main man some day. "right away, boss. so shockingly, rudy giuliani never provided proof of his claim that thousands of dead people voted in the election in fact, during one of these meetings, rudy was apparently so desperate for proof, he turned to his fellow pro-coup cronies, like trump lawyer jenna ellis, who kept telling bowers they had the proof he was looking for they just didn't bring it with them to the meeting. >> at some point, did mr. giuliani ask one of the other attorneys on his team to help him out with the evidence >> he did. he asked jenna ellis, who was sitting to his right he did ask, "do we have the proof? to jenna, ms. ellis. and she said, "yes." and i said, "i want the names. do you have the names? "yes." "do you have how they voted? "we have all the information." i said, "can you get to me that i

let me just say that rudy giuliani is fine, other than the fact that he remains rudy giuliani. ( laughterine products condemns violence of any kind. you should not go out and lay a finger on the former mayor in any way. first, because it is just wrong. and second, because you don't want to get any of that weird rudy juice on you. ( laughter ) now, at first, we only heard about this from rudy, who told a harrowing tale of a confrontation at a political event for his son, andrew, at a staten island grocery store: >> stephen: "it was a combination bullet / boulder / earthquake-- the only thing this didn't unleash was the dreaded sharknado. and, if you believe that, then you also believe people want to hug and kiss me whenever i come out of a men's room." ( laughter ) but now, there's video from the store security camera. parents, take your kids out of the room, and then follow them out of the room. because this is going to be so violent, your house may suffer structural damage. get to a doorway, or if you have a basement, shelter in place. there's rudy... here comes the thunder... boom! ( la

and i guess it makes sense that if you're looking for the pardon list, you'd e-mail rudy giuliani.finitely the guy who came up with the idea of a pardon list the pardon list is probably just every possible version of his own name written on the back of a steakhouse napkin. [ laughter ] because even rudy, who we tend to think of as a delusional, bumbling, doofus due to, you know [ laughter ] and, yeah, i know we use that picture a lot, but here's the deal you keep laughing at it, we're going to keep using it even rudy apparently knew that the whole scheme was illegal that's according to a deposition broadcast by the committee last week from former trump white house lawyer eric herschmann. herschmann said he had told eastman that his plan was insane and that later, rudy had agreed with herschmann that the plan was illegal. >> the president's own lead outside counsel, rudy giuliani, also seemed to concede that the vice president did not have the authority to decide the outcome of the election or send it back to the states. here's what white house attorney eric herschmann said about hi

let's begin with rudy giuliani. and his subpoena in which when they want to talk about is very specifically described. >> well, i'm glad to be with you, i think it's pretty clear at this point that the da the sailing the ship nearby. she has not fired the shot across the bow. what's rudy giuliani has several things going against him. and one of those obviously is the testimony he gave in front of the georgia general assembly committee, comprised of members of the assembly. and that is where he pushed for this election loss. he used these tapes, he -- election fraud, he uses these tapes, he did things that clearly seem to indicate that he was not -- now i much at this point a lockdown whether or not this was part of a legal strategy. she's going under oath and in fact they have no basis to believe these claims. she's going to get under oath, in fact he knew the certain evidence i was presenting had been debunked. and at the time that he presented this information, at the time he made these outrageous claims. and so s

she's got rudy, you know, coming into the grandeur. it will be important if he testifies, but i wouldn't put a lot of money on, him actually for the graduate. i think guilty v. >> and i just want to say, rudy giuliani was one of trump's close allies with -- and john eastman. so, there you go. there it is! thank you gentlemen. good to see. i appreciated. >> thanks don. >> all right, one text message. that's all the secret service managed to turn over after a month worth of records after the secret service personnel -- no wonder the committee is expressing concerns. are they hiding something? >> the secret service remains committed to cooperating fully with the committee. ent you can trust. >> man: looks great. >> t tech: that's service on yor time. schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ ♪ it's electric... made extraordinary. ingenuity... in motion. it listens, learns, adapts and anticipates your every need. with intelligence... that feels anything but artificial. the eqs from mercedes-benz. it's the car elect

first, you will see evidence that trump's legal team, led by rudy giuliani, news that they lacked actual evidence of widespread fraud sufficient to prove that the election was actually stolen, they knew it, but, they went ahead with january 6th anyway, and, second, consider how millions of americans were persuaded to believe what donald trump's closest advisers and his administration did not, these americans did not have access to the truth like donald trump did, they put their faith and their trust in donald trump, they wanted to believe in him. they wanted to fight for their country. and, he to save them. for millions of americans that may be painful to accept but it is true. thank you mister chairman, i yield back. >> without objection the chair recognizes miss murphy and the gentleman from maryland, mr. raskin, for opening statements. >> thank you, mister chairman, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that then president donald trump lost in a free and fair election, and, yet, president trump insisted that his loss was due to fraud in the election process, rather than to the democratic

rudy played a particular role for donald trump. he was, if nothing else, the great disruptor. he was the guy who was sent into sort of create the chaos, to raise the questions, to stir the anxieties of the established order and to excite the base as best they could. there was no legal pretense that donald trump was being represented by rudy giuliani, even though they are trying to claim privilege here and attorney-client relationship there. by the reality of it is that clip right there tells you everything you need to know. he was sent in to do a thing, without knowing who the other players who were also a part of this narrative were sent to do. but he didn't have to. and i think what is interesting about the georgia case which i believe may be a little bit problematic for someone like lindsey graham is the connective tissue in the narrative. the language used. the questions that were inquired upon. lindsay says it's my duty to inquire about how these elections are run. when you ask the same questions that rudy giuliani and others who are trying to overturn the selection rusti

>> a ginger meant. >> it wasn't just rudy giuliani. we heard president trump make these false allegations repeatedly during his call with secretary raffensperger. let's listen to a portion of what he had to say about you and your mother. >> we had at least 18,000 that is on tape. we had them counted. 18,000 voters having to do with the -- she is a vote scammer. a professional vote scammer and hustler. >> donald trump attacked you and your mother using her name, 18 times on that call. 18 times. miss moss, can you describe what you experience listening to president trump attacking you and your mother with a call with the secretary of state of georgia? >> i felt horrible. i felt like it was all my fault. like, if i would have neither decided to be an elections worker i they could've done anything else, but that is what i decided to do, and now people are lying and spreading rumors and lies and attacking my mom. i'm her only child. they're going to my grandmother's house. i am her only grandchild. and mike is -- my kid is just -- i just fe

now, one person unhappy about the accusations against rudy was rudy, who today tweeted, "i refused allmy favorite drink... diet pepsi." "i love diet pepsi, especially a robust, red diet pepsi. or, in the summer, a diet pepsi rosÉ. i also enjoy boxed diet pepsi. it doesn't have the same notes as the bottled one, but after a few"-- ( slurring ) ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) ♪ ♪ ♪ thank you, thank you. until they face consequences, the ex-president's family is still out there peddling their wares, including eldest maga son, don jr., seen here wondering, "how come the airplane doesn't have to flap?" ( laughter ) don jr.'s latest business venture is an homage to his dad. he's been promoting "good ranchers," a maga-friendly mail-order meat company. he put his endorsement on inta-gram... sorry. ( laughter ) ( laughter and applause ) no, no! what is inta-gram? did you put that up on the inta-gram? you get that up on the "titter?" on the inta-gram? he put his endorsement on the inta-gram. ( laughter ) some delicious andoullie sausage in your inta-gram. mix it up, hey-o, high-oh, hah! ( l

rudy giuliani. he's already lost his law license, we'll see what else happens to him.ut that is the context that when that fails, the first time in the same night, donald trump comes in and says, oh, right i can't abuse military power, i'm even being told by my most aggressive lawless lawyers, the kind that he apparently prefers, that that is not going to work. so that's when i bring muscle to january 6th. but we have had, in this country, in our minds, and apparently at the justice department, as we reported tonight, a fixation on only looking here, on basically the sixth, or the lead up to the six, or a few days after. and that is understandable given what we lived through, we are human beings, and the sixth was one of the worst tax, and the worst national security crisis america has ever faced from a domestic threat, leaded loan an incumbent, outgoing president. the point tonight which we've built on evidence, not anything but evidence, is that when you actually go all the way back, when you actually understand how this started, and how many different plots were pur

let's go to the subpoena to rudy giuliani. start -- we're going to circle back to january 6th but let's go to this georgia set of subpoenas. there is evidence that the witness's appearance and testimony at the hearing was part of a multi-state coordinated plan to influence the results of the 2020 election in georgian elsewhere. what do you make of these subpoenas not only of rudy giuliani and john eastman and jenna ellis, but also of senator lindsey graham? >> well, look, what we're seeing is a criminal investigation that started inside georgia talking to the folks who are witnesses, the folks who received the phone calls and the pressure tactics from trump and his allies, right? and we know that rudy giuliani actively engaged in the discussions that led up to january 6th. we know that from any number of places but also from his testimony that the georgia legislature rejected. and we know in addition, i mean this is -- remember, there's also the civil lawsuits going on, which is the defamation suits against rudy giuliani for c

rudy giuliani, by the way, has just been ordered to testify. we're learning there's a bipartisan effort under way in congress now to protect future elections. we are covering all this from all angles. we have a team of reporters and analysts standing by. let's begin with manu raju on capitol hill. manu, tell us about this new legislation. >> reporter: this is the first direct response and most significant legislative response to the events of january 6th. a bipartisan group of senators just moments ago announced they have a deal to change how the so-called electoral count act, a law from 1887, works. essentially make it harder to overturn an election and what we saw donald trump try to do that's come out through the course of these hearings and before about how he tried to pressure vice president mike pence to overturn election results, pressure state officials to disregard the election, refuse to concede, claimed the election was stolen without any evidence of proof of widespread fraud. what this aims to do is make it very clear that a vice pr

this is something that rudy giuliani said would lead them all in prison.as already lost his law license, we will see what else happens to him. that is the context that we show tonight that when that fails is the first time the same night that donald trump comes in and says, all right, i can't abuse military power, i am even being told by my most aggressive lawless lawyers, the kind that he apparently prefers, that that will not work. that is when i bring my muscle to january 6th. we have had in this country, in our minds, and apparently at these justice department, as we reported tonight, a fixation of only looking here on basically the sixth, or the lead up to, or a few days after. that is understandable, given what we lived through. we are human beings and the 6th was one of the worst attacks and worst national security crises we've ever faced from an incoming, let alone an outgoing president. when you actually go all the way back, when you actually understand how this started and how many different plots were pursued, forwarded, warned about , and then

president trump had intellect and personal role in this effort as did rudy giuliani. other words, the same people who were attempting to pressure vice president mike pence to reject electoral vote illegally were also simultaneously working to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election at the state level. each of these efforts to overturn the election is independently serious, each deserves attention both by congress and by our department of justice. as the federal court has already indicated, these efforts were already part of a better plan. preparation from january 6th. i would note 2.4 particular focus today, first, today you will hear about calls made by president trump to officials of georgia and other states. as you listen to these tapes, keep in mind what donald trump already knew at the time he was making those calls. he had been told over and over again that his stolen elections allegations were nonsense. for example, this is what former attorney general bill barr said to donald trump about allegations in georgia. >> we took a hard look at this ourselves and bas

i've got this video from rudy.s these valet -- the valises, suitcases full of ballots underneath a table, pulled out at the last minute, and his acting deputy attorney general says to the president, which must have taken a lot of bravery, mr. president, that video doesn't show that. your friend, mr. giuliani, has only shown a portion of the video. if you watch the whole thing, none of that is true. that is not what happened. and you need to watch that. at the same time, in georgia, rudy -- rudy giuliani is still pushing that nutty narrative with the georgia legislature, and the president is aware, and on alert from all of the senior people who advise him, this is bogus. this is nuts. and we can't change the results for you. in fact, i remember when the president called mr. raffensperger, one of the most striking things, again, a moment of bravery, a georgia state election official turns to the president of the united states and says, i know, mr. president, i know that's what you want to believe, but the numbers and

i remember looking at him and saying, "rudy, could you explain what's happening on the 6th?had responded something to the effect of, "we're going to the capitol it's going to be great the president's going to be there. he's going to look powerful. he's going to be with the members. he's going to be with the senators talk to the chief about it talk to the chief about it he knows about it. >> seth: i like that rudy talked about a planned insurrection to overthrow democracy with the same naive enthusiasm of a 6-year-old who's going to the zoo. "did you hear? mom's taking us to the reptile exhibit on thursday! she says there's an animal there who looks just like me." [ laughter ] and, yeah, i know we use that picture a lot, but so does he. we got it off his passport [ laughter ] of course, with rudy, it's hard to take anything he says at face value, given that he could easily be confused he seems like the kind of guy who could be telling you a crazy story and then halfway through stop and say, "wait, no, i dreamed that that's right i can't fly. [ laughter ] so the plan all along

has already asked rudy giuliani for example everyone senator lindsey graham for testimony. they are working through it with their lawyers and arguing in court. but this special grand jury was impanelled just a few weeks ago. they have broad power to subpoena records, also recommendations about who should be charged and for what about so the latest move is that these 16 fake electors being told that they could in fact be charged and again all of this as this one prosecutor in georgia who potentially poses the most risk for trump himself and his close allies, she is moving very aggressively here. >> sure is. good to see. jess, thank you so much. joining me is jeffrey toobin and also ryan nobles. jeffrey, let start with the secret service and what whitney w45 wild was flushing out there for us. what questions do you have with the reporting that the agency has turned over just one text message and may not be able to find the others? >> reporter: well, it seems like there are two possibilities. one is that the secret service was just totally incompetent and failed to turn -- to

>> a ginger mint. >> it wasn't just rudy giuliani.y during his call to secretary raffensperger. let's listen to a portion of what he had to say about you and your mother. >> we had at least 18,000 that is on tape. we had them counted very mistakenly. 18,000 voters having to do with ruby freeman. she is a vote scammer. a professional vote scammer and hustler. >> donald trump attacked you and your mother, using her name 18 times on that call. 18 times. miss mott, can you describe what you experienced hearing mr. trump attack you and your mother in a call to the secretary of state? >> i felt horrible. i felt like it was all my fault. like, if i would have never decided to be an elections worker, like, i could've done everything else. but that is what i decided to do and now, people are lying and spreading rumors and lies and attacking my mom. i'm her only child. going to my grandmother's house. i'm her only grandchild. and my kid is just -- i felt so bad. i just felt bad for my mom. and i felt horrible for picking this job and being the

i mean, he thinks rudy's running stuff. and maybe rudy is. and the day after things could happen -- so, i stopped thinking tonight that he was, you know, frozen, or that he shrunk, or that he didn't know what to do, or that he was treated in khartoum land, and started to feel more like this was off. like he was running up. >> there was a point, and isolation, where she brought it down to this. she said, donald trump stay on january 6th, it has been described, i think, now falsely as doing nothing. she said this is not, as it may appear, a story of an action at a time of crisis, but instead, it was the final action of donald trump's own plan to subvert the will of the american people. so she's describing someone who was actually inaction in that situation, and it is active, if you know that donald trump's language has the power to get those people out of the building, every second he's not getting them out of the building, he is, in fact, the invisible hand behind that stack of people, pushing them into the building. there was entirely active.

he knew a lot of the things, the outside legal teams, rudy giuliani and others were trying to cook up. it seems he was trying to throw his body in front of all of that. sitting down for eight hours is a very long time. they have a lot to talk about. the days leading up to january 6, never mind from election day forward. it is certainly an indication he did not spend time pleading the fifth. we know he answered questions. and the congresswoman from california said he did not contradict the testimony of cassidy hutchinson. the top advisor to the white house chief of staff mark meadows. i think we are going to see since the video, since the deposition was videotaped, we have seen how the committee works, they like playing those videotapes. in the coming week, we will see some of his testimony. but certainly he has more knowledge than anyone else in a deep level. mixing that with the experience in washington and the legal knowledge, he has a lot to say. >> you talk about the hearings coming up. how much based on your reporting are the hearings making an impact with the american public tun

rudy sent this communication channel must be maintained.alled it, crucial, noting how reassured they were that they had someone, like me, who rudy has known for so many years, in this role. sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places. >> so, this, you believe, was from rudy giuliani intermediary? >> correct. >> sources are saying people who may have been trying to influence cassidy hutchison was a mark meadows meaty intermediary. they denied that they would never have anything to do anything from his camp. there are other trying to intimidate, or influence hutchison? >> not for a single second. it is, exactly the same. look at the language bob costello used. look at the language mark meadows used. i guarantee, there's a dozen other people they tried to reach out to with the identical language. these are donald's words the, put into an email form, because, of course, you know he does not have the email. no fingerprints, that's his motto. so, somebody else needs to do it. >> why would he call at this time? if he doesn't usually? >> so

as we heard earlier, rudy giuliani told ms. hutchinson mr. trump tentative travel to the capitol january 6. i want to pause for a moment to ask you to explain some of the terminology you will hear today. we've heard you use two different terms to describe plans for the president's movement to the capitol or anywhere else, one of them is a scheduled movement and another one is otr --could you describe to us what each of those mean? >> is scheduled presidential movement is on his official schedule. it is notified to the press and to a wide range of staff that will be traveling with him. it is known to the publicm not to secret service --known to the public, known to secret service, they are able to plan in advance. and off the record movement is confined to the knowledge of a very small group of advisors and staff, typically small group would travel with him, mostly just included in the national security package. you can pull and off the record movement together in less than an hour. it is a way to circumvent having to release it to the press.

about the victims who so senselessly and needlessly lost their lives, trump insider, lindsey graham, rudy giuliani, how much legal trouble are they in and will this investigation lead directly to trump. >>> and akron ohio protests over the killing of jayland walker who sustained a the least 60 gunshots wounds to police, who a admit he was not armed when shot. good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight begin with the breaking news, the highland park shooting suspect has now been charged formally with seven counts of first degree murder. we just heard a live press conference where officials say dozens of charges coming against the smekt so this is just the beginning, seven accounts of first degree murder. fa faces life sentence without possibility of parole, and again, there will be dozens more charges but that's where we start. officials say he planned his attack for weeks and then killed seven people and injured 38 more. the victims, as we now know ranging in age from age eight to 88, police have released a photo of the 21-year-old gunman dressed in women's clothing during the att

president trump called rudy giuliani and a gathering included rudy giuliani, marsha blackburn, senator tommy tuberville and ted cruz. let's listen to the start of this. >> senator tuberville, coach, this is rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. i am calling because i want to discuss how they are trying to rush this hearing and how we need you, our republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you. rep. kinzinger: mr. giuliani did not even mention the attack on the capitol. instead, he was pushing on behalf of president trump to get members of congress to further delay the certification. even though some members did proceed with objections, vice president pence and congress stood firm to successfully conclude the joint session in the early morning hours of january 7. here is what some members of the president's party said in the days and weeks after the attack. >> there is no question -- none -- that president trump is practical and morally responsible -- practically and morally responsible profile -- morally responsible for

steve bannon, rudy giuliani.ere a real connection between those so-called war rooms, the violence outside, the proud boys and the oath keepers gathering? and what was happening inside the west wing? >> well, i think your question practically answers itself. donald trump was of course the central figure who set everything into motion. he was the person, rob, who identified january 6th as the date for the big protest. and he announced that in his tweet in the middle of the night on december 19th after a crazy meeting, one that has been described as a crazy meeting in the entire trump presidency ended december 18th and mark meadows escorted rudy giuliani out the door. it sort of ended at that point. and then just an hour or two later, donald trump sent out the tweet that would be heard around the world, the first time in american history when a president of the united states called a protest against his own government, in fact, to try and stop the counting of electoral college votes in an election he lost. absolutel

others lawyers batted down the increasingly ridiculous claims and legal arguments from people like rudyliani and sydney powell. the latter he actually considered naming as a special counsel to investigate voter fraud. >> i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice and so i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> i would like you to claim that the democrats were working with hugo chavez and the venezuelans and everyone else. >> yeah, the three of them were really sort of forcefully attacking me verbally. >> i think that it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. >> i'm going to categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough or maybe i would put it another way you're a bunch of [ bleep ]. >> it's a meeting that white house aide cassidy hutchinson described as unhinged so, of course, trump doesn't listen to the rational lawyers or fringe lawyers. instead, he turned to a new plan, reillying up his supporters with the 1:42 a.m. tweet on december 19th, quote, big protest on d.c. january 6th. be there. it w

rudy giuliani, sydney powell, general flynn, the crazies had shown up. apparently, it was all worth it for rudy giuliani, because he got to sit in the cabinet room alone, maybe he even got to sit in the presidents chair in the cabinet room, as any child would want to. when the crazies left the building, donald trump arrived at his presidential decision. he decided not to order the department of defense to seize voting machines. instead, he ordered his civilian troops to come to washington. he did that at 1:42 am. donald trump tweeted, big protest in d.c., on january 6th. be there, will be wild! the committee presented evidence from a twitter official, about how that specific tweet electrified violin supporters of donald trump, who relayed the trump message. >> we are going to only be saved by millions of americans, moving to washington, occupying the entire area, if necessary, storming right into the capitol. we know the rules of engagement. if you have enough people, you can push down any kind of offense or a wall. >> trump supporting website delivered

if they don't have trump, they recreated it from rudy's end.m roger stone's end? >> publicly, he's fighting a cdr. i don't know if they received those or not at this point. so i probably couldn't tell you anyway, but i actually don't know if they have since that time. but a lot of people who know how to do tellny analysis, i'm sure the committee is all over that. >> just tell our viewers what cdr is. >> you're talking about the actual phone records of those, i'm sorry, nicolle. we talked about this. but the actual phone records and the data. that really represents those phone calls. >> and interesting historical echo. those call records. the actual call data is what the mueller obstruction of justice investigators were pursuing into the final seconds through don mcgwan. so one end or the other as you're saying. always riveting. sorry. >> i was just going to say for your viewers, just look at the people fighting their call detail records and that should tell you a lot of what you need to know. >> line up with a lot of the people who have taken t

let me tell you, rudy, they don't have hair dye in prison.alling a defense lawyer really fast. >> okay. state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg, thank you very much for being on this morning. >> how do you know that? i'd think maybe they don't. i don't know. >> i don't think it is a vital necessity. >> it's not. >>> ahead on "morning joe," the administration just announced a brand-new plan to reduce crime and gun violence. white house senior adviser keisha lance bottoms will join us to explain what exactly is in the plan. >>> and later, an exclusive interview with cia director william burns. the former u.s. ambassador to russia gives his assessment of the war in ukraine. plus, the recent move by putin that burns says is only intended to kill ukrainian civilians. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're we've still got the best moves you've ever seen good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection. we'll be right back. shingrix protects. you can protect yoursel

rudy said this communication channel must to be maintained.called it crucial and noted how reassured they were that they had someone like me who rudy has known for many years in this role, sleep well tonight you have friends in high places. >> this you believe it was from rudy giuliani intermediary, right? >> correct. >> sources are saying people who may have been trying to influence cassidy hutchinson was a mark meadows intermediary. it has been denied. that they were trying to intimidate or influence, do you buy that? >> not for a single second it is exactly, look at the language that bob castillo used, look at the language that mark meadows used and i guarantee there are dozens of other people that they tried to reach out to with the identical language, these are donald's words. put in to an email form because of course you know he doesn't have email, no fingerprints that's his motto so somebody else has to do it. >> why would he call this time if he doesn't usually leave fingerprints? >> again he is not sure who's actually in his camp anym

who's rudy giuliani president ward? i'm calling you because i wanted to discuss with you how the final rushes hearings and how we need you. our republican friends try to slow it down, so get a slightly should get more information to you. mister juliani did not even mention the attack on the capital. instead, he was pushing on behalf of president trump to get members of congress to further delay the certification. even though some members did proceed with objections, vice president pants in congress stood firm and successfully concluded the joint session in the early morning hours of january. 7th. here is some of what members of the president's party said in the days and weeks after the attack. there is no question on their present. trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the event of the day. no question about the people who storm this building believed. they were acting on the wishes and instructions, other browser. and having that believe was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo. oh, f

the new subpoenas for rudy giuliani and senator graham among others. congressional correspondent ryan nobles is working the story. ryan, this is certainly a significant escalation of this investigation in georgia. >> yeah, there's no doubt about that, wolf, but if you were to put out a list of names that you think the fulton county district attorney may be interested in as it relates to the investigation of the possible attempt to overturn the georgia election results, it would be this list. and in particular, the names john eastman, rudy giuliani and lindsey graham of south carolina stand out. all three were actively involved in a pressure campaign that was specifically put on the secretary of state, brad raffensperger, and others to try and investigate claims of fraud in georgia that just did not have a ton of merit behind them or in some case, just encourage is secretary of state to stand in the way of the election results and also involve the state legislature in georgia. we know a grand jury has been there in georgia and this is one of the places

like you said, these are subpoenas going out to former trump attorney rudy giuliani as well as southina senator lindsey graham. there are also a handful of former trump campaign attorneys who have been subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury. those include john eastman, who we have heard about in the january 6th hearings. janu jana ellis, and on the call between trump and raffensperger, where donald trump pressed raffensperger pressed him to find the votes to win. and ken, who allegedly worked with the officials in georgia to put forward this slate of electors, so we've seen a lot of activity out of this grand jury. this is of course significant because it is moving closer to trump. an attorney for giuliani declined to comment on this, and we have reached out to lindsey graham's office but have not heard back yet, alisyn. >> sara murray, thank you very much for the latest. let's bring in cnn legal analyst, jennifer rogers, a former federal prosecutor. what do these subpoenas tell us about the investigation? >> it's moving forward and moving forward at a pretty good clip. they're n

first, you will see evidence that trump's legal team led by rudy giuliani knew that they lacked actual evidence of widespread fraud sufficient to prove the election was actually stolen. they knew it. but they went ahead with january 6th anyway. and second, consider how millions of americans were persuaded to believe what donald trump's closest advisers in his administration did not. these americans did not have access to the truth like donald trump did. they put their faith and their trust in donald trump. they wanted to believe in him. they wanted to fight for their country, and he deceived them. for millions of americans, that may be painful to accept, but it is true. thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> without objection, the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from florida, miss murphy, and the gentleman from maryland, mr. raskin. >> we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that then president trump lost in a free and fair election. and yet president trump insisted that his loss was due to fraud in an election process rather than to the democratic will of the voters. the president cont

the cursing, the shouting, rudy giuliani sitting in a cabin room, saying it was cool.adows is designated to walk about, making sure he did not bask in, this is in the oval office of the white house. then he turns to sidney powell, and they pointed out the 16 judges, many appointed by donald trump, had ruled against her, and them, and she was being appointed to special counsel was security clearances? spanky said, you think all 60 judges that ruled against you were all corrupt? every single one? even the ones that the donald trump administration appointed? you have there, this is the trump world, yet the professionals, versus the, i don't know what you would call them. conspiracy theorists. you have the doj lawyers, yet the white house counsel saying, show us the evidence of the fraud you are claiming. give us the evidence for these allegations, that venezuela is involved in turn is involved, and the thermostats are vile because are connected to the internet. show us the evidence. he said, seemed as if they had no regard for evidence at all, that they did not need anyth

that essentially tell in rudy giuliani's case a new york state board. boar d. . [audio difficulty] . [audio difficulty] . >> she hasn't quashed the idea that she may go to donald trump herself, although right now we don't have indications of that. what we are seeing now is she is moving farther and farther away from georgia, closer and closer to trump. i'll be curious to see how close she gets to the former president. >>> thanks to all of you. appreciate it. >>> up next, back live to the scene of the deadly mass shooting in illinois. what one doctor is telling us she saw when those shots first started. >>> brittney greiner and her family no longer silent. what the wnba star is saying directly to president biden and whether we are family will get that meeting they have been asking for, with the president. asking for, with the president. riders! let your queries be known. yeah, hi. instead of letting passengers wrap their arms around us, could we put little handles on our jackets? -denied. -can you imagine? i want a new nickname. can you guys start callin

i mean, i did call out two specific calls to rudy giuliani. try to place them. here is what is on fox news right now. and as the first call with rudy giuliani wraps up, here's the violence that we see unfolding. and the next call was twice as long as the first one. it was traces violent. yet he's continue to call the election lawyer that he's using him to hatch this plan, influence senators. all of that is against the backdrop of the tv right in front of him, this violence. yet, he is not taking the action that we expect him to. he has the duty to take as the president, to stop this kind of violence. >> do you know if the president was in contact with anyone? rudy giuliani or anyone, who was in contact with some of the organizers and leaders of the physical attack on the capitol? what we saw you juxtapose that call you are just coming to rudy giuliani with the immediately thereafter excavated violence breaking and surging through those broken windows at the capitol, we were struck by the possibility that that was the president, essentially, wanting things to be