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rudy giuliani. who would be a very different sort of problem for the president if he becomes governor of new york. perhaps a potential republican rival in 2012. >> stay tuned. joe klein. the wars in afghanistan and political wars in new york state. >>> joining us is congresswoman jane harman. congresswoman, thanks for joining us. let's talk about bob woodward's big story in the "washington post" on what stanley mccrystal is recommending for afghanistan saying there could be mission failure if there isn't what some would call mission creep. how does the president resolve this conflicting problem given the lack of support for an expanding war in afghanistan? >> andrea, i have the report here in my hand. it is on the internet as well as a report called civilian military campaign plan put together by mccrystal and our ambassador to afghanistan. it is not just about military resources. i agree with what joe klein said and president obama, strategy first, resources after. this report is more nuanced and i

tough time to be an incumbent but not a lot of states have a republican waiting in the wings like rudy giulianid obviously, universal name recognition. i think the white house is genuinely worried that giuliani poses a real threat here in new york and so, you know, they want to put up as strong a contender as possible. >> let's take a look at the polls recent poll out showing giuliani if he were to run against paterson. he has him 60% over 34% but if giuliani were to run against cuomo you have a much tighter race and different outcome. cuomo 53% to 43% and they are watching all of those gause if giuliani were to run against paterson and beat paterson he has a much big platform to potentially run for president. >> you're absolutely right. i mean, you know, rudy giuliani hasn't said anything about running for president. and he still hasn't said whether he is running for governor. it is a huge platform for any politician to jump off of, no matter what they're doing. i think they want to sideline him as quickly as they can. >> we talked about the awkward moment there yesterday when you had the pres

so tell me now, andrew cuomo, rudy giuliani, what's your best assessment? ar, if anything? >> well, i think the white house was trying to prevent giuliani from getting in the race by singling -- signaling early that andrew cuomo is going to be the nominee and he's their preferred nominee. i think it's going to work. the sense is rudy giuliani just does not have the fire in the belly. certainly doesn't want to take on andrew cuomo. so i think we're going to have a pretty easy race next year for the next democratic governor of new york, if that all holds true. >> dominic, what's your assessment? you have a senate seat up next year, too. >> i agree. andrew cuomo, it appears, may be the democratic nominee. and if that's the case, and let me just make this quick point, mike, as far as mr. cuomo, it's one thing as attorney general that he has to be careful about because you get to pick and choose your issues. it's another thing when you're the governor of the state. but with that said, it looks like cuomo will likely run, it looks that way, and will be the nominee

with us, former mayor of new york city and 2008 republican presidential candidate, rudy giuliani. the chairman of the democratic leadership council, former congressman harold ford, new york times columnist, tom friedman and special correspondent for nbc news, tom brokaw. but first, the president's senior adviser, david axelrod is joining us live. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, david. good to be here. >> so here is the state, the landscape the president now faces on health care. a poll this week shows the majority of americans oppose, 51%. republican leaders in the past few days have been saying if the president is going to speak before congress it is time to hit the reset button and start over. will he? >> well, look, first of all, understand that when people hear the details of where the president wants to go, bringing stability to people who have insurance today and security for them and helping those who don't have insurance get insurance, they support this plan. so the president has an opportunity on wednesday to speak to the nation and the congress on this. i

with us, former mayor of new york city and 2008 republican presidential candidate, rudy giuliani. the chairman of the democratic leadership council, former congressman harold ford, new york times columnist, tom friedman and special correspondent for nbc news, tom brokaw. but first, the president's senior adviser, david axelrod is joining us live. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, david. good to be here. >> so here is the state, the landscape the president now faces on health care. a poll this week shows the majority of americans oppose, 51%. republican leaders in the past few days have been saying if the president is going to speak before congress it is time to hit the reset button and start over. will he? >> well, look, first of all, understand that when people hear the details of where the president wants to go, bringing stability to people who have insurance today and security for them and helping those who don't have insurance get insurance, they support this plan. so the president has an opportunity on wednesday to speak to the nation and the congress on this. i

rudy giuliani is with me this morning.me were surprised to see the president reached out ostensibly to republicans by acknowledging that tort reform has been expensive. >> it was a good thing to do. he had taken it off the table originally, saying he wanted to work bipartisan day, and now he has put it back on the table. maybe he will do in a couple of states as a demonstration project, but the whole speech was not specific. i know less what he wants to do than i did before. gretchen: wasn't the goal to tell the american public the specifics of the plann? >> we are spending slightly less money, covering more people, but it will be deficit neutral. that is the biggest question to me. how could it be deficit neutral? you have to tell me what you are going to cut in order to pay for the $900 billion. gretchen: he did not mention that he may have to tax the american people to pay for it. so the cost part of and, if indeliberate, -- of it, is the president being delivered in not mentioning it? >> definitely. taxes will go up on

and the administration is looking at the prospects for somebody like rudy giuliani getting into that race. and winning that state, maybe hurting the prospects for some house members. democrats have made some head way in taking away republican seats lately. and you can see that this white house has got some serious political antenna. the president's not reluctant to use his political clout. and david patterson doesn't like it too much. he's pushing back and may be bad news for the democrats. >> if you tell the guy not to run because he's not strong enough to run, he insists on running, his chances of winning arguably just went down, not up. >> yes, now it's a democratic state and who knows what's going to happen when you get into the campaign season, but the signs do suggest that republicans are headed for a pretty good 2010. and it may be in this particular case that new york state in that statewide race and maybe some of the house races below are one of the places where republicans could make some headway. >> you know, ted, the late ted kennedy big early backer of the president. car

keep in mind for the obama white house the 800 pound gorilla in the room in all of this is rudy giulianithey don't want republican giuliani to come over and take over the governor's mansion. handwriting has been on the wall for governor paterson. looking at a poll with 70% of the state's residents don't want him to run for re-election. >> dare i point to the pattern. rudy giuliani runs against david paterson, they think he'll beat him. is this rudy running against an african-american again exploiting the usual social riffs that come about in these situations in big states? is that what's going on here that they're afraid of? >> i don't think that's the case, chris. think the bottom line is residents, you know, i'm trying to figure out a nice way to say this. david paterson has not set well in terms of state residence with the voters of this state. i don't think it's a racial component in this. the democrats just don't want to lose the statehouse. they don't want to -- >> does rudy have the stones to run against andrew cuomo? >> that's a good question. >> that's what i asked you, dominic.

. >> former mayor rudy giuliani was on hand for a ceremony. more than 5700 people died there eight years ago. four minutes of silence were observed today at the precise times the jetliner struck the north and south towers of the trade center and t time that each of the towers fell. vice-president joe biden also spoke at the service. a similar theme in shanksville, pennsylvania, honoring the victims of flight 93. former secretary of state: pout and tom ridge attended. -- former secretary of state colin powell and tom ridge were there. >> eight years later, we still ask why. despite all the we have learned that day, the attacks upon our nation remained brutally senseless. >> bells tolled for the 40 victims who died on that fateful flight. >>> there was a security scare after the war reports of a boat going up and down the potomac river and shots being fired. radio chatter said that coast guard boats were going around the river, but it turned out to be a training exercise. the coast guard said the transmission is common, and the media coverage ma

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. >> rudy giuliani the bigger question about the war, the war initiated after 9/11 as we approach the eighth anniversary now. is the united states safer since 9/11? >> i do think it is but i thought tom's column answered itself. it is the premises correct. if, in fact it is the place where the september 11th attack emerged, if our intelligence fails us that continues to be the place to be most concerned about. then we have to do whatever is necessary to eliminate. if that requires some form of village building town building, nation building then for our own safety we have to do it. the main thing is is your intelligence correct are the premises correct? i think they are. i think we are safer than we were. we are not as safe as we would like to be. it is indisputable we are safer than we were before. we've gotten much better intelligence, we have a much more active pursuit of terrorism. we have the much more on the run. thank god we haven't been attacked. the day that it happened i was told that we were going to get attacked multiple times, both that day and in the next week and for th

when you put the name rudy giuliani in the mix.der that's exactly what they are worried about. if in fact rudy giuliani decides to run against governor david paterson he probably would win at this point and then that would launch potentially another presidential bid by rudy giuliani. here is the interesting thick is that jon corzine, who is in the next state right over here in new jersey, who is the governor of that state is also pulling low just like governor paterson. so far we haven't heard any request from the obama administration for jon corzine not to run again or for that matter any other democratic governor who is polling low right now. this is interesting. these two guys are going to need each other. brian: paterson, the govern of new york said i think all the attention the president is getting is racially motivated. the white house said we don't want any part of it. we think it's not true. they didn't appreciate taking eye all the ball. governor paterson is embarrassed that this leaked out. because of that, is the reason

if he loses, rudy giuliani could be the next governor of new york state, and he is the one man, as governorand it the way of a barack obama reelection in 2012. rick: so it is about giuliani, who has not even declared that he wants to run new york city as governor? >> even without giuliani, barack obama does not want a republican in albany. do not forget, whoever is in charge of the state house in albany tends to stick around for awhile. remember pataki and cuomo. rick: it was not popular recently when gov. paterson went on the radio recently and blamed race for comments aimed at his administration. >> you're absolutely right. the last thing president obama needs right now is somebody else saying racism. he is trying to win support from across the political spectrum, and the last thing he needs is to be put in a racial corner. rick: it seems like what you have is the first black president trying to sideline and york state's first black governor. this looks very bad. >> it looks terrible. in some ways, president obama is trying to move towards a post racial area of american politics, and he i

so, of course, rudy giuliani is about 15 points pulling ahead of governor patter son. if -- paterson. if rudy giuliani is going to be a contender to win the white house, he'd have to get a job like governor of new york, reinvent himself. does president obama want that? apparently not and he's got his man, andrew cuomo, authoring a big comeback story. gretchen: so after he sort of stiffed the governor, governor paterson at the airport with sort of a stiff hug, they wept on to this resemtion where the governor was -- reception, where the governor was not invited into this private room but cuomo was. when president obama went up to speech, he acknowledged from the great state of new york governor paterson, didn't say anything about the job he's doing, then went on to introduce attorney general cuomo and said what i fantastic job he was doing in the state of new york. here's the biggier story. and that is whether or not the white house should be taking an aggressive role in state races. not that this hasn't happened before karl rove was the architect of this not only at th

i rudy giuliani is seen as a potential contender, even though he was lackluster last time around. greta: when president obama spoke today he said he wanted to mention the dignitaries, mentioning the governor patterson, then giving a nice share or andrew cuomo. >> he teased him a little bit. sarcastically, he is not really any of the things he said. the president had an awkward balance today in terms of seeing governor cuomo and david paterson. greta: did andrew cuomo announced that he is running against david paterson? >> in 2002 he ran for comptroller against carl mccall, leaving a lot of bruises in the african-american community. he has tried to repair that damage, and he has done so successfully. greta: he would love it if president obama would push gov. paterson out? making for an empty seat? >> he would love it. greta: is this president doing something different from other politics in terms of getting involved in state politics? >> not at all. it looks like he is pushing these people around, but george bush got involved in many races. katherine harris, 2004, he pushed her asi

i mean -- i immediately talked to rudy giuliani. we began activating the state's emergency response. it was a day when people did not know what to expect. you could see the unity, the strength that everybody was showing on that day. martha: i'm curious about how you think this should be taught. to many of our children were too little to even know what was going on. there's a feeling that the talk about this diminishes. what is your feeling on flags, talking about this in schools across the country, and particularly in our area? >> i think that is the most important question. what can we do to make sure that children and all of those who care about this country do not forget the memory of september 11. we were attacked that day. we did not anticipate it. we have got to be vigilant. there are those who have attacked as before and want to do it again. i hope that people do not forget that lesson of september 11. september 11. september 11. september 11. not because of anything we did wrong, but because of what we do right. freedom to e

on the other side of the aisle, we'll be talking about former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. well known businessman and former presidential candidate steve forbes himself and i'm sure we will get to the issue of taxes with mr. foeshgs. we've got plenty of things to talk about with him today. >> how is that guest list working out for you? >> poe defendant ta, if you agree with the liberal side or the progressive side or not, he's an eloquent, thoughtful guy to make the pestation.the liber progressive side or not, he's an eloquent, thoughtful guy to make the pestation. and with the move of the country, sort of the perennial battle between more government or more free market, it's going to be a great show. with bill clinton, the approximately president, there's some interesting profiles. hillary clinton's health care pushed him far left and many are saying that made him one of the most successful presidents ever. you wonder, does it happen this time around or -- >> yeah. >> and the same players, look, rahm was there back then, he's there now.

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mayor rudy giuliani was just at the podium moments ago.waiting on a moment of silence out of shanksville now. the moment that flight 93 did crash into the field that you are looking at. we'll continue to follow all of these ceremonies and remembrances today on september 11th. very closely and bring you all of those moments of silence. of course, the best that we can today. there is other news that we need to get out to you. in fact, breaking news right now. we want to get to jean. the coast guard is on alert and enda enda engaged at this time. >> reporter: there's a security zone there in place because of the ceremonies going on at the pentagon today and we have seen at least one boat come up the potomac and challenge the coast guard and try to get into that security zone. the coast guard has been very clear in their radio instructions to the boats to stop. that they are in violation telling them to leave but it appears that these boats have not paid attention to the coast guard directives and have continued. at one point there appeared to

>> well, that's why many -- why many of us want rudy giuliani back. sean: he might be.do you make -- first of all, the c.b.o.'s now scoring the bill that baucus is putting out. democrats don't like it. you got half the democrats wanting the government option and half don't. 130 -- $130 billion in cuts to seniors. >> oh, yeah. no. and as for the public option, i don't even -- i don't even believe the democrats are really so obsessed, we oppose the bill if they don't have the public option. they'll just say anything to anyone. they know that just getting any form of their idea of a health plan through is the cam many's nose in the tent. -- is the camel's nose in the tent. that's the end of the republican party because people will be paying in and they will want to get some of their money back from that. this is why health care is so important for the democrats and no matter how dead it looks don't trust that. they will be willing to pass this with 51 votes. they will wait for reconciliation. because this is a total game changer. it is like amnesty for illegal lings. and a

exchanges, and an idea offered by rudy giuliani. deficit neutral, something republicans should support but never supported when they were in power and when they didn't pay for the iraq war and didn't pay for prescription drugs and they didn't pay for the president's tax cuts. when republicans were in office they spent many, many more times the amount of money the president is proposing, $700 billion over ten years, $70 billion a year. the republicans spent many, many times that amount of money without paying for it. so these are crocodile tears. what you see the president doing right now is moving to the political center. he unified the democratic party with the help from joe wilson and he will get some republicans to support it at the end of the day and a big victory for him politically but a big victory for the country. >> jamie: tony, ten seconds. >> antiquated the talking points, julian brought up paying of the iraq war. the reality is the president wanted a much more progressively liberal plan. he didn't get it because the amer

the problem is you have rudy giuliani waiting in the wings which would be a strong at the top of theans. >> and if paterson says look, i'm not going to step away unless the public tells me to step away, how much clearer can a poll where you're only getting 17% approval rating be? >> exactly. i was watching in the green room that feed of the interview there, and it was kind of bizarre, you know because he was asked a couple of time desire the white house team ask you to go, at one point he said i don't know. >> what do you mean you don't know? >> exactly. it was very strange. even though he was saying yes, i'm running for governor if you look at his body language, he seemed to me like somebody who was leaving room to step out. >> you mentioned some of the other new york politicians. kirsten gillibrand got her seat, she was awarded that by david paters paterson. how much danger is she in of losing it? >> it depends on who the republicans pick to run against her. i think it's a democratic state, heavily democratic state but again, that's why if there is a weak candidate at the top of th

so there's little question he's very vulnerable, particularly if former new york mayor rudy giuliani race. giuliani has been talking pretty openly about the possibility of him potentially getting in this race. he's expected to make an announcement in november. if he does, paterson could be in trouble. >> well, as you know, politics can turn around quickly for somebody. is it expected david paterson will run? could he win? do you see a chance of him winning? his wife says he's running. >> his wife says he's running. not only does his wife say he's running, he says he's running. he's very defiant. he says you don't back down. look, if he runs, anything could happen. right now things aren't looking too good for him, though if attorney general andrew cuomo decides to get in the race, primary, paterson could be in trouble. >> alex with politico, thanks, axe. >> thanks for having me. >> don't miss "meet the press." governor david paterson will join them live. >>> still ahead michael moore on his decision to go after the financial sector in his new movie. in the next hour price war, the war

you know, i sometimes mention that african-american men were in the city of new york while rudy giuliani was still the mayor and they were wearing nypd hats, right? so, despite everything that had happened on questions of race and that mayor, people were willing to, you know, really look to our national leadership. if there's a connection to be made between 9/12 and our current situation, it ought to be that our health care crisis is similarly facing down our country, that we are in a serious time of crisis, and so it's a time for kind of somber reflection and for supporting your president regardless of your ideology, finding the common ground on which americans stand. >> when we look at -- ahead to this weekend, and there's going to be a weekend-long celebration of these events, or i would usually call it a commemoration, but it does seem quite celebratory in terms of their tone, do you think that went wh we look at those crowds, we should expect that they're really only speaking for themselves, or is this one of those incidents where a protest group represents a larger group that sympa

texas governor rick perry this week used a press conference with rudy giuliani to pound his chest aboutd the texas rangers to the border. not the baseball team formally run by george w. bush, but rather a texas rangers law enforcement unit that if you squint looks a lot like a military commando group. their mission at the border and governor perry's words will be to "go to where the bad guys are." you know, the electoral potency of anti-immigration politics for republicans can't really be denied. after all, without the salient motive demonization of immigrants, we never would've elected president tancredo. joining us now is chris hayes, washington editor of "the nation." chris, thank you very much for coming on the show. >> thank you, rachel. >> are we seeing a resurgence of anti-immigration politicking on the right? >> yeah, absolutely. i don't know if it ever went away amongst the base. this is something that has tremendous, tremendous resonance with the certain portion of the republican and conservative base. it has for a long time. i think it was sublimated largely because the vehic

. >> coming up next rudy giuliani at the half hour. ten minutes after the hour.lybu . >>> welcome back to "the most news in the morning." during his make or break health care speech to congress, president obama called out some lawmakers saying they used fear in this debate. >> what we've also seen in these last months is the same partisan spectacle that only hardens the disdain that many americans have toward their own government. instead of honest deaf bait we've seen scare tactics. >> so pushing forward, will we see any bipartisanship or just more bad blood? let's bring in one democrat who has had her fair share of fiery town halls. thanks for joining us this morning. i think we should launch init and get it out of the way. we heard congressman joe wilson pointing to the president last night and calling hall of fame liar. a lot of people were shocked. a lot of viewers writing in and saying how wrong that was and how disrespectful. you actually tweeted about this, calling him, calling this incident the biggest disappointment of the evening, a total lack of respe

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reporter: patterson is seen as vulnerable and democrats are especially worried about former mayor rudy giulianiying to pat do you think the governor should step aside >> of course n that is stupid, it doesn't make any sense and i don't believe it ever happened. >> reporter: patterson may get the chance to ask the president himself when the two are scheduled to share the same stage monday in upstate new andw >> there are mo details in the growing edw a former aide claims in a new book proposal that edwards did father the baby and he claims edwards promised to marry hunter after his wife, elizabeth, died. the wedding would tack place in a rooftop ceremony with the dave matthews band playing. while there are reports that edwards plans on admitting paternity soon, a source tells abc news that is not likely. >> wow. >> a tawdry story that just gets more and more strange. >> here's a look at your monday weather. stormy with heavy rain and flooding from michigan to florida. heavy downpours and severe storms from texas to arkansas. rain in the colorado mountains. >> a chilly 52 in colorado springs. sno

i remember rudy giuliani and other officials, they helped to steady the world. his tenure was extended. the city responded lot better in the immediate aftermath then it did in the process of getting a compromise after compromise on what they would do on this piece of property. i wish they'd would have put donald trump in charge on day one. >> we watched everyone drop what they're doing to help as they could. you go into the scene to try to rescue anyone who might still be alive and could be rescued. it was remarkable. but there was that uncertainty, not knowing how many airplanes were in the sky and what else might be coming. even when the towers fell, not knowing what was happening. it was one babble that these towers could fall to the ground. >> how about the image that the 20 or so people decided that leaping to their doctor was preferable to being burned alive? that is an image that will haunt the american people forever the same way that pearl harbor affects so many. brian: just add to that, think about those people who thought, i could burn alive or jump t

i think it's fair to say at that point we thought it was going to be hillary versus rudy giuliani runningresident. that's how long ago it was. >> distinct possibility. >> that's how long ago the detroit lions won a football game. until yesterday. lions rookie quarterback matthew stafford, a 29-yard touchdown to bryant johnson. they go up 7-0. they're start to go feel it in the fourth quarter. they're up by six. a touchdown here would put this one away. maurice morris cuts it back inside. 19-7 they win the game. snapped a 19-game losing streak. as all the papers say, washington bails out detroit. >> can we have a moment of silence for jim zorn, the redskins coach? >> bye-bye, coach zorn. >>> how about brett favre making his debut against the 49ers? fourth quarter, final play of the game, down 24-20. a few ticks left on the clock. he heaves one to the back of the end zone. that is the last play of the game. greg lewis makes the catch, gets two feet down. watch this. what a catch. >> oh, my goodness. >> you need two feet in the nfl. what a throw. look at that. vikings, a dramatic 27-24 win.

governor's race in new york if the attorney general andrew cuomo gets in and if normer new york mayor rudy giulianigets in who is certainly thinking about it right now and will make a decision this fall. >> the issue of race here. you have the first african-american governor of new york state and does the first african-american president of the united states want to be the one telling him he shouldn't run? >> well, look. this is a president who is not going to be swayed by that kind of loyalty just because he's an african-american. he's made that clear in other comments he's made about race. this is not a president who's seen eye to eye with this governor. either the decision about caroline kennedy not giving her the nod for the senate seat and some concerns about how information was disseminated about that choice, or the fact that governor paterson, as savannah noted, said the opposition to president obama was about race. >> on to afghanistan. we've got an article in the "washington post" this morning where general mcchrystal, who is the top u.s. commander and nato commander overseeing afghanistan