to fall and the question was who is when to rise up mccain was never worried about his friend rudy giuliani and his aides would say why not and he would say 30 giuliani is ready giuliani and he meant he knew him well lead to know things required to get the republican nomination or not inside of him. >> host: mark halperin, john heilemann. thank you. >> mark halperin is editor-at-large for "time" magazine and the co-author of the way to win, taking the white house in 2008 with john harris. john heilemann is the national political correspondent and columnist for the new york magazine. he's the former staff writer for the new yorker, a lawyer and economist. he's also the author of pride before the fall. for more information, visit time.com and newyorker.com. ..

they had been friends since back when rudy giuliani was mayor. when mccain was starting to fall, he was never worried about rudy giuliani. " continues. host: >> national book award-winning author trantwo's look "the big burn" recalls the largest forest fire in american history. mr. egan recalls the struggles of the firefighters and president teddy roosevelt's interest in preserving forest land. the christian science monitor, los angeles times, and kansas city star selected "the big burn" as one of their top books of 2009. fact and fiction bookstore in missoula, montana, post the hour-long event. >> thank you so much. it's terrific to be here in montana, because i've been on a book tour. i've been in 25 cities or so, and now here i am, basically home where the fire started. the source of the story, and the source of so much joy for me growing up in spokane and fishing here in rock creek and hiking here in the national forest come basically learn to love this land as a little kid. so thank you for coming out on this gorgeous, wonderful, crisp monta

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