, his recent television appearances, his tweets in the footnotes, rudy giuliani twitter. mean that is the world we're living in now. they are cited here because giuliani has talked about his interactions with state department officials. and this has also reached a subpoena level because committees had in prior letters to the secretary of state asked for information about various pieces of information from the department of state and got nothing. so we have already been in a posture where the state departments that not provided information. so it would be a big change for the secretary of state to provide information. but again, this is the power of a subpoena in what is now an inquiry of impeachment that changes things. and it would seem more likely that they would be compelled to provide information. and i'm not a lawyer, so if there is a way out of that, i don't know what it would be. it is a subpoena ands a you mentioned, the deposition that would happen would be government employees who worked for the department of state. those would typically happen behind closed door

mentioned in the whistle-blower complaint but now the question is whether or not they want to bring in rudy giuliani to talk to them. but at the moment the subpoena for documents, we'll see if giuliani complies, erica. >> that is what we'll watch for. manu, thank you. >>> john avalon, i'll go straight to you. you are my rudy giuliani expert given your history. >> that is true. >> and this is for the documents. this is not at the moment for rudy giuliani. do you think he will comply on the documents? >> he has been on both sides of that question in recent interviews. i think he's libel to say there is attorney/client privilege with the president and woe -- he would only testify in public at length if the president approved it. that said, i worked for rudy giuliani for years and i think he did an extraordinary job as mayor of new york and i was proud to work for him. the last few months have not been his finest hour. and i think he's put himself in real jeopardy and i think you'll see folks in the administration and the state department try to scapegoat him and i think that will be profoundly awkward

you mentioned rudy giuliani. "post" reports that democrats are already examining whether trump and rudy giuliani sought to manipulate ukrainian government into helping trump's re-election campaign. giuliani just told chris that he did ask ukraine to investigate joe biden after first denying that. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is, what is rudy's role? he says he does something and then tells the president. as an attorney for ten years i absolutely never did that. is he acting in his official capacity or unofficial capacity? obviously he isn't in any official position where he had to be approved by the senate. what acts are he carrying out? how much of it is for his personal gain? how much of it is to broke the president of the united states? carry out methods that can only be described as byzantine and bizarre. >> congressman, the acting dni, joseph mcguire, will appear before your committee next week. how do you get him to change his mind and release this complaint to you? >> i don't know that we will. i t

as you said, kurt volcker has been in contact with rudy giuliani. hat because giuliani has been publicly showing everyone those text messages. that is the real question here. the state department hasn't said much about that. they said that everyone, secretary pompeo, when asked about this yesterday, said that to his knowledge everyone had acted entirely properly at the state department, meaning that no state department officials were getting involved in this politically-driven agenda of rudy giuliani. but what giuliani is saying is different, he's saying he worked closely with kurt volcker on his efforts in ukraine, pushing for an investigation into joe biden. >> i was going to say, kiley, the whistle-blower complaint suggested that kurt volcker went to kiev at one point to work with the ukrainian officials, to guide them on how to deal with the president's demands. >> reporter: exactly. so we know that kurt volcker was talking to the ukrainians in that text message that rudy giuliani put out, was connecting giuliani with one of the top aides of pres

rudy giuliani, who frankly, let's just be honest, he sounded unhinged. bobbing, weaving, insulting, going on tangents, trying to distract with wild and free -- evidence-free claims about joe biden and saying this to chris tonight. >> will you finally answer my question now that we're 12 minutes in? >> do we really believe he didn't know his son was under investigation? >> why won't you answer the question? >> what's the question? >> thank you. did the president talk to the ukrainian president about what he wanted done with joe biden and what he wanted done with paul manafort? >> i have no idea, i never asked him that, i don't know if he did, and i wouldn't care if he did, he had every right to do it as president. he had every right to say to the ukrainian president, we have two outstanding allegations of massive corruption -- >> did he ask you to do what you were doing? >> no, i did what i did on my own -- >> really? >> and then i told him about it afterwards because i'm his lawyer. >> believe me, we've got a whole lot more on the breaking news tonight.

rudy giuliani now on monster.com or wherever one like rudy giuliani goes when he needs a good lawyer. he's going to need one. joyce, what does it mean, that he's now in the center of not just donald trump's conservative media shenanigans, not just in the center of donald trump's defense and spin efforts for the mule are probe, now smack-dab in the middle of impeachment investigation that have now risen to 55%, public opinion swinging more than ten points in days. it has to at least have something to do with the mayhem and chaos that rudy giuliani brings to all presidential conduct, vis-a-vis donald trump and foreign policy. >> you know, rudy giuliani would have been my first choice for a witness to subpoena right now, too. the reason for that is there's a compelling timeline of conduct involving giuliani and ukraine. i think when it's all put on sort of one level timeline by the intelligence, by the oversight committee staffer for giuliani's testimony, we'll all by surprised by how much of that conduct has been happening in plain sight, and how it all adding up to paint a really compe

was named in the whistle-blower complaint, and he was the one who was in contact apparently with rudy giuliani giuliani in touch with a zelensky adviser. >> we need to know more about the circumstances, and doubtless he's going to be subpoenaed in the impeachment investigation. but i think we can start from the premise that what we're seeing once again is that donald trump is toxic. as people who have done business with him have known. now, if you read the whistle-blower's complaint very carefully, you'll see how volker became involved in the middle of all this through giuliani whether or not he was an innocent bystander or an active participant in trying to hijack an american election through foreign -- you know, foreign intervention in our democratic election process, we'll have to wait and see. but, look, what we know is that this president of the united states, from one national security official after another -- mattis, mcmaster, tillerson, et cetera, et cetera -- these people have all said the president of the united states is a danger to the national security of our country. and what th

president, on rudy giuliani. wipe was it appropriate for nor personal attorney to get involved in government business? >> ask rudy. i will tell you this. that rudy's looking to also find out where the phony witch-hunt started, how it started. a russian witch hurnt turned ou to be two and a half years of phony nonsense. rudy giuliani is a great lawyer, he was a great mayor, he's highly respected. i've watched the passion he'd had on television over the last few days. incredible what he's done. what he has done, he wants to find out where did this russian witch-hunt you people helped perpetrate, where did it start? how come it started? all nonsense. it was a hoax. a total hoax. it was a media hoax and a democrat hoax. where did it start? and rudy's got every right to go and find out where that started and other people are looking at that, too. where did it start? the enablers? where did it all come from? can out of thin air and he has every right to do it. he's a good lawyer, knows exactly what he's doing and it's v

that's rudy giuliani. important piece of context here, the july 25th phone call is the second time that president trump and president zelensky had spoken. the first time was back in april of this year and as we understand it or at least has been reported, it was also in that april phone call where president trump encouraged for the first time president zelensky to have his people meet with rudy giuliani. this was not about one phone call. this was a converted effort over the period of months involving communications between these two presidents and presumably and i think perhaps just as worrisome, efforts on the part of others within our government to subvert american foreign policy and to put rudy giuliani, a private citizen, in charge of matters that have profound importance to our national security. >> ned and joshings thank you very much. up next, what the president said about the whistleblower today behind closed doors. eli has the tape. and he joins me next. ns mnee xt! hey. this is amazing. with mod

rudy giuliani needs to be subpoenaed tomorrow. he's tried to suggest it was the state department ordering him forward. i don't think that's going to hold up. if he, of course, is acting as trump's personal attorney, nothing is going to be privileged. everything he had to say with zelensky is going to come out. and then, of course, as you say, the transcript, if you read it, is maybe 50% of the call. there are el lip sis in the transcript. there's much more color and nuance that make it a lot worse. as matt says, boy, if they thought this was the way to staunch the blood, what underlies it and what will come out next. >> do we know, harry, why there seems to be this narrow focus on campaign finance reform violation? >> yeah. well, that was just what the referral was. intelligence officials happened to see this. the conversation is the 25th. around mid august intelligence officials see this and refer it -- you refer it for a specific violation. that's what they refer. as you know from the stormy daniels affair, you need to be tradin

i don't know who pays rudy giuliani, i don't know what his job is. he talks about being the president's lawyer. i don't see him doing lawyer work. i don't know if he was someone who was told to have these meetings by the state department. i don't know what his arguments are, what his relationship with the president is and how confidential those communications should be. i do think there should be a lot of questions asked of mr. giuliani, and by the way, his own boasts, gallivanting around the world conducting foreign policy and doing dirty work for the president. >> preet bharara, thanks so much for joining us. very quickly, the president is going after the whistle-blower and those officials at the white house who helped him. but joseph maguire, the acting director of national intelligence, in his three-hour testimony today, he was praising the whistle-blower for doing exactly the right thing. >> yes. so whether, you know, he doesn't want to call him a hero, or the president's admirers want to follow the president's lead and take him down, it's impor

look, rudy giuliani is clearly a central part of this story. we're going to learn more, but i wouldn't put any of this at the foot of rudy giuliani. i think all the of this is on the president of the united states. >> he says he'll be the hero in all of this, jim. >> yes, he has said this with volume. carey cordero, the white house has the ability to throw up road blocks. whether they do is another question. road blocks like they have thrown on other investigations, just flat-out refuse d i do see them trying to implement a strategy, especially because a number of the individuals that the complainant describes are penal who worked in the white house, so the complainant says people who worked in the white house came -- different people reporting the same deeply held concerns. so i do think the white house will open that. that is where congress is going to have to push back strongly, and where i think we saw a change this week all republicans in the senate voted that the administration needed to provide the whistle-blower complaint to the house a

the process as rudy giuliani has alleged. the state department has not replied to our requests for comment. last week secretary pompeo did claim that to his knowledge, everyone at the state department had acted entirely appropriately. we are waiting for an update from them. >> waiting for that response. >> michael, when it comes to this possible subpoena, you are learning more about whether rudy giuliani would cooperate and there are questions of attorney/client privilege and how it comes into play. what are you finding? >> it could be a little confusing of that clip of what rudy giuliani is willing to do. he does not commit to not or appearing to if he's subpoenaed. what he's trying to do here is muddy the water to get out this information that he believes that adam schiff, the dell je intelligence committee. what you press him relying on the idea that i have to talk to my client. rudy giuliani's client is the president of the united states. he's putting the ball in president trump's court here whether or not he'll testify a

rudy giuliani is rudy giuliani. my take away from today was another letter that the ig for the odni sent to congress. in that letter it becomes clear this is not some trump trying to get policy change in the letter that was disclosed today the ig again says this is an issue of grave concern. we should interpret to not being a policy issue. or someone who heard something passing in the hall way. then adds this piece. it is something that most significant and important of the odni duty. in other words it relates to american democracy. and the ability if it is the ukraine the ability of the election to be free and pristine from foreign influence. that letter along with the "washington post" reporting tieing it to the ukraine. suggests this cuts to the core of the democratic process and not going away for the white house. no matter how much they release election security funding or anything that they're going to do in the next couple days to get ahead of this story. >> a lot of people asking does the president have a ri

>> well, you can ask rudy giuliani. that and the chairman himself said he's not even sure if he would bring rudy. but keep in mind the chairman said a lot of things, made a lot of baseless accusations. chairman schiff is the one who for two years saying he had more than circumstantial evidence that president trump colluded with russia on the mueller investigation. and that turned out not to be true. and so instead of saying, okay, we were wrong, let's move on, they continue to go down this road of impeachment regardless of the facts. you know, they have said that there were high crimes and misdemeanors. the actual author of the articles of impeachment just recently a few days ago said that if they don't impeach president trump, he might get re-elected. he will get re-elected is what he said. the framers did not put the power of impeachment in the constitution so that you could stop somebody from getting elected who was duly elected in 2016. it's a high crime and misdemeanor standard and they should take that with the res

the person who appears to be more directly involved at every stage with ukraine can giuliani. rudy, he did all of this. one u.s. official says. this blank show that we're in, it's him injecting himself into the process. giuliani is now insisting that he is a private citizen. that he acted at the request of the state department. president trump is sure to be asked about this at a press conference this afternoon. let's begin with cnn's lauren fox. what a day yesterday and what a morning this morning. >> reporter: that's right. just a slew of events moving yesterday on capitol hill. nancy pelosi has held her caucus back for months. yesterday she finally announced this is an official impeachment inquiry. and president trump will become the fourth president to face impeachment here on capitol hill. >> the president must be held accountable. no one is above the law. >> reporter: how speaker nancy pelosi resisting no more. >> i'm announcing the house of representatives moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. >> reporter: the seismic shift pushing pelosi over the edge. cnn lea

will they get rudy giuliani in the chair? but if you're building a case, or what impeachment is is a political trial, sometimes it's the impeachment we don't know much about publicly who will give you the clues, if you will, the crumbs, if you will. the ambassador and kurt volcker, democrats believe, can take us beyond the president's call. they believe this was going on weeks and months in advance and that the former ambassador and the former special envoy know all the critical pieces, a, about what rudy giuliani was doing, and b, how much government resources went into this. >> absolutely. they played a role into hearing from the state department, hearing from rudy giuliani who wants to come over and meet with these people, helping set the meetings up, and they know where the pressure points were, especially relating to the $400 million in aid in military and state department aid that was held up that is also a piece of this. so that's sort of the first stumbling blocks they have to get through. and eventually, you know, th

you've covered the white house a lot, you've covered rudy giuliani. what do you make of this? >> it's hard to explain. in this case it's giuliani trying to say that everything he's doing was right but sort of ignoring the fact that what he was doing in ukraine was absolutely on behalf of a client. and he has said that, that he was working on behalf of his client who was president donald trump. that has clearly blurred some lines for out crathe ukrainnian created problems for the state department as well. >> he showed text messages, then what we're hearing from the state department envoy is basically -- or the reporting about the objective of the state department envoy was they were sort of just trying to contain, manage rudy giuliani knowing that he's operating really in a sphere that he shouldn't be. >> right, and that is the whole push and pull. is the president using an official -- his official title and responsibilities and channels, basically, to conduct personal business? rudy giuliani does not have a role in the government and the administration. he's the president's law

someone who has knowledge of what happened with rudy giuliani and rudy giuliani's efforts to try to push ukraine to investigate the bidens. that's not the only thing the committee plans to be doing. a closed door meeting with michael atkinson said the whistleblower's complaint was urgent and credible. he came quickly before they seen the whistleblower's complaint. schiff warned last night that he plan to issue a subpoena to rudy giuliani to get documents and that could happen early this week. we can expect a big push to get information. poppy, ultimately the question for democrats they don't get compliance, what do they do? i am told from a number of democrats they're not going to engage in a prolong back and forth with the administration of a legal fight as we seen. >> one thing to ask for, we have seen how the white house refused over and over and time and time gef again. manu, thank you very much. let's talk about this. our analyst, alex burns is here. our national political analyst and ron browstein, good morning. >> mulvaney was on shaky ground because where was the white house's st

have no idea if he's unhappy with me or not and i frankly don't care. >> it's not the first time rudy giulianirought up secretary of state mike pompeo. what questions would you have now for him? >> look, giuliani seems to think that saying that somehow he was coordinating with someone in the state department or multiple people in the state department makes what he was doing legitimate. that is not true. what it could mean is that the state department or people in the state department are implicated in what giuliani was doing, which was essentially, as i said before, soliciting help from a foreign power to help with a campaign, which we know is not okay. he's conducting this like rogue investigation, he is not the fbi. he is not the department of justice. there are proper channels to do that through if a u.s. citizen needs to be investigated for criminal conduct with the aid of a foreign country. so if rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer, thinks that having someone in the state department -- and we don't even know if that's true, first of all. obviously someone needs to look at what

these morons -- when this is over, i will be the hero. >> rudy giuliani's name is mentioned 31 times document. once a federal prosecutor and new york city mayor, a very different seeming giuliani is embedded deeply in this controversy, not just as the president's personal attorney but as the man who has met with ukrainian officials to among other things push for them to focus on the bidens. here is randi kaye with the story. >> in that july 25th phone call, president trump offering up his personal lawyer rudy giuliani as his personal envoy to the ukrainian president now to the complaint which says trump mentioned giuliani multiple times. giuliani told cnn he has quote no knowledge of any of that crap. and true to form, giuliani has gone on a twitter attack calling the whistleblower's information questionable and targeting democrats and the media, too. meanwhile, according to the complaint, about a week after trump's call with the ukrainian leader, giuliani travelled to madrid to meet with an adviser about the cases they had discussed. >> i never knew about the $250 million military a

>> we're going to need evidence from rudy giuliani. it's our intention as soon as first thing next week, to subpoena him for documents. and there may very well come a time when we want to hear from him directly. >> giuliani was noncommittal to cnn. i'm not saying i will or i will not. on abc, he contradicted himself. >> i won't cooperate with adam schiff. if they put a neutral person in who hasn't prejudged the case, if they put in a democrat, who hasn't expressed an opinion. >> you said you wouldn't do it. >> i said i would consider it. i have to be guided by my client. i'm a lawyer. it's his privilege, not mine. if he decides he wants me to testify, of course, i'll testify. i think adam schiff is an illegitimate chairman. >>> house and senate republicans are rushing to the president's defense. graham said the whistleblower was hearsay, even though everything was confirmed with the transcript of mr. trump's call with the ukrainian president. >> you can't get a parking ticket conviction based on hearsay. the whistleblower didn't hear t

to have rudy giuliani basically direct an investigation that would help him in the 2020 elections. d so we want to make sure that giuliani, that was it the president or was it the state department? as he said. you can't have both. there's inconsistencies there. and we'll be able to bring out those inconsistencies so we can get, this is a pathway to find the truth. so that we can make sure that the american people know where in fact the dangers are of national security. >> a lot of stones along that path. a lot of bricks along the way. thank you so much. i appreciate congressman gregory meeks to be with us here. >>> i want to bring in denny valve 0s and melissa marie a professor of constitutional law at nyu. melissa, let's start with you. walk us through what the constitution says about this entire process? >> the constitution is spare about the impeachment process, the first thing it says is that the house has to issue the articles of impeachment and a majority of the house has to actually do it. so once the house votes and there's a majority there, it then shifts to the senate whic

so if the president tries to throw rudy giuliani -- rudy under the bus going forward as he sometimess with others he's not going to be able to separate himself from the actions rudy giuliani has taken on the president's behalf, on donald trump's behalf as his personal lawyer. >> all right. senator van hollen, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >>> just a short time from now the president is holding a news conference and the big moment is this. he and ukraine's president are set to meet. stand by. >>> the white house transcript of the call between president trump and ukrainian president zelensky brings us answer what was discussed and questions as well. how exactly do these calls work? who transcribes that? what are missing in the key ellipses in the transcript and shedding light on this process a former situation room officer who managed calls like this under president obama. larry pfeiffer is with us. we have a lot of questions. you've looked at the transcript. i mention there are ellipses in key spots. we know voice recognition software is used and also recollection used by pe

these morones -- when this is over, i will be the hero. >> rudy giuliani's name is mentioned 31 timesnine-page document. once a federal prosecutor and new york city mayor, a very different seeming giuliani is embedded deeply in this controversy, not just as the president's personal attorney but as the man who has met with ukrainian officials to among other things push for them to focus on the bidens. here is randi kaye with the story. >> in that july 25th phone call, president trump offering up his personal lawyer rudy giuliani as his personal envoy to the ukrainian president now to the complaint which says trump mentioned giuliani multiple times. giuliani told cnn he has quote no knowledge of any of that crap. and true to form, giuliani has gone on a twitter attack calling the whistleblower's information questionable and targeting democrats and the media, too. meanwhile, according to the complaint, about a week after trump's call with the ukrainian leader, giuliani travelled to madrid to meet with an adviser about the cases they had discussed. >> i never knew about the $250 million m

back in january, rudy giuliani met with the prosecutor general. may 1st, "new york times" published its original story on joe biden and son hunter. nine days later, giuliani canceled a trip to ukraine after the "times" reported on it. july 18th, president trump ordered the halt of $400 million in military aid. july 24th mueller testifies to congress. july 25th, the very next day, he the president asks for a favor. august 12th, the whistle-blower complaint to congress. and september 9th house panels investigate rudy giuliani's involvement. september 11th, withheld ukraine and released. and september 18th "washington post" reports on whistle brother complaint. and september 25th, pelosi launches the impeachment inquiry. in a new video out last night, president trump goes after the democrats. >> the democrats want to take away your guns. they want to take away your health care. they want to take away your vote. they were to take away your freedom. they want to take away your judges. they want to take away everything. >> that's quite a list. while the

. >> reporter: earlier this year rudy giuliani planned then cancelled a trip to ukraine.sentative for ukraine's president to discuss biden. ukrainian prosecutor general said in an interview in may that he had no proof joe biden or his son did anything wrong. an entity connected to hunter biden made in millions with its work but from my point of view a board member can be paid whatever a company decides. they didn't violate any ukrainian laws. whether the board members violated u.s. law is not for me the judge. sarah murray, cnn, washington. >>> how the 2020 presidential race is shifting and getting a bit rough. panera's new warm grain bowls are full of good. full of flavor, color, full of- woo! full of good. so you can be too. try our new warm grain bowls today. panera. food as it should be. frstill, we never stoppedss wmaking it stronger.e. faster. smarter. because to be the best, is to never ever stop making it better. the 2020 c-class family. lease the c 300 sedan for just $429 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. the amount o

president trump asked president zelenskiy eight times in a single phone conversation to cooperate with rudy giuliani giuliani then went to madrid just a few days later and that's a pattern of behavior. but i can't escape the idea that this may be the tip of the iceberg, that it may involve other foreign leaders and other acts on behalf of president trump, whether it's to his ukrainian counterpart or even to other foreign leaders that they do the sort of business that our intelligence community is there to protect. and that is to ensure our elections free from foreign interference, to ensure the sanctity of your democratic processes. this episode suggests trump is so desperately trying to subvert. >> ellen, before you go, i want to check something with you that i know the audience is wondering about. i have read the law on this program repeatedly, including the law that allows for the whistleblower to go directly to the house and senate intelligence committees. yet at the same time people are saying the whistleblower could be in trouble or in jeopardy if the whistleblower tried to do that. the law sa

the acting director of national intelligence refusing to address the role rudy giuliani has played ing to help president trump dig up dirt on his potential rival joe biden. >> what is your understanding right now of what mr. giuliani's role is? >> mr. congressman -- congressman questioni quigley, the white house to commented on the president's personal lawyer. my only knowledge of what mr. giuliani does, i have to be honest from you, i get from the tv and from the news media. >> which is pretty stunning, and i know he's laughing, but he doesn't think it's funny. it's not funny at all and this is a personal lawyers free lansing on national security for the whole country. this is the big question here, could rudy giuliani be facing serious legal repercussions over this? >> the democrats think that he should for trying to coerce essentially the help of the ukrainian government against joe biden and to help the president's -- president trump's campaign, but the issue is that the justice department has kind of already looked that the and they decided that there's nothing to see here and th

president trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani approached him in may for a meeting.mocrats included with ukrainian officials against trump in 2016. he says the two men spent six hours discussing a range of issues. >> my insights on what's happen i ing. vice president biden, what my thought was -- >> this was a priority for giuliani? >> yes, he doesn't hide it, it's his work, that's what he was hired to do to represent the president of the united states and his personal interests. >> by trying to further conspiracy theories about the president's political opponents? >> no. we need to investigate this properly. >> sergei disagrees. giuliani began applying pressure to investigate the bidens shortly after the election. >> i knew it, sure, for giuliani it was interesting. to use this information on the u.s. >> you think he was focused on it for the president or? >> for sure. not for his private purposes. >> we know -- on behalf of his client. >> this wasn't a secret? >> it was clear. >> clarissa ward joins how this controversy being received there in ukraine and what do y

rudy giuliani has been subpoenasubpoen subpoenaed. house democrats announcing they have subpoenaed the president's person attorney for those documents related to ukraine. rudy giuliani is at the center of the impeachment investigation mentioned 31 times described as a central figure in efforts to pressure ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election. there's growing questions tonight about another member of the president's inner circle. cnn is learning the secretary of state, mike pompeo, was on that july 25th phone call when the president asked ukraine's president to dig up dirt on joe biden. this comes as president trump says he's trying to uncover the identity of the whistle-blower. >> do you know who the whistle-blower is sir? >> we're trying to find out about a whistle-blower. when you have a whistle-blower that reports things that were incorrect. >> here is how an attorney for the whistle-blower is responding tonight tweeting quote, the intel community whistle-blower is entitled to anonymity, law and policy support this and the ind

opinion behind them that wants answers. >> and they are also looking for not only documentation from rudy giulianibut text messages that he flauptflaunt flaunted on nat television. >> they want everything. record, email, text messages. and giuliani is saying that he won't wok with adam schiff, he won't answer this demand and this request. and that really ups the stakes because rudy giuliani is a private citizen. he is not protected by executive privilege or so-called testimonial immunity which the white house has invoked for other current and other former officials. they are seriously committed to getting a response and prepared to go the contempt route it appears. >> congressman mccarthy and nunes have written a litter to tto -- letter to ig and they are asking the intelligence community, they are complaining basically, they write that at no point in any of the following information provided to the house intelligence committee related to this issue did you indicate that your office found any of the whistleblower's allegations to be based on firsthand knowledge during the preliminary review you un

and, you know, the only other thing i want to add is rudy giuliani last night on fox -- >> let me go to barr before you go to rudy and i'll get you back into rudy. just to finish the point, because i want viewers to understand what we've got here. to your point on ag barr. i'm reading now more from these notes. this is the kind of thing you would reveal in the show moment of a trial of someone. that's how damning some of these notes are. congress will decide what to do, if anything. i'm just here to tell you my honest view of having analyzed it, this is bad. the president, quote, i will have mr. giuliani give you a call. and i'm also going to have attorney general barr call. and we will get to the bottom of it. and we know from the mueller report that when donald trump has these kind of plots, he follows up on them. doj tonight saying, no, barr never talked about it. is there liability for the justice department? and should attorney general barr, before we get to rudy, who is out of government, should attorney general barr recuse from any related matters here? >> i think attorney gene

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it was provide information to my lawyer, rudy giuliani. >> about my 2020 rival and his son.was not some generalized thing. it doesn't add up if the president saying work wigiulian and how much i had to say and something's going on. >> it comes as the president is saying the whistle-blower. they don't even know the gender of this person, but the president says this person is a partisan. here he is. >> it's just another political hack job. that's all it is. i don't know the identity of the whistle-blower. i just hear it's a partisan person. >> now, jim, just to be clear, right? the inspector general has said that this was not political. that's what we do understand, but how can the president say the person is a partisan when he doesn't have any idea who the person is. >> like many things the president says he has nothing to back it up, right? it's a charge that he levels at many critics with no basis and as you said, the inspector general who was appointed by this president looked at the complaint from this whistle-blower, deemed it credible and not just credible, but of urgen

richard, central to the whistle-blower's complaint with rudy giuliani. was the president's private lawyer working for the state department, working in coronation, meetings arranged for him by this envoy, the special envoy for ukraine, for the state department? why was that at all appropriate? and also the president in his phone call with zelensky, the new president of ukraine, he brings up the whole issue, the president brings up the whole issue of investigating the clinton emails. he's also looking at that, as was giuliani in a number of his comments. >> so we had to drag it out of the former prosecutor, who just left his position about one montgomery a month ago. he did confirm he was in fairly regular contact with the president's lawyer rudy giuliani. i went and spent quite a bit of time with the former prosecutor and asked him, well, what were you talking about, what was the subject of these meetings and these phone calls? and a lot of it was about the bid bidens. it was about specifically hunter biden when he worked for ukrainian energy company call

proceedings gather democrats in the house of representatives have subpoenaed trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani if you want to see documents relating to giuliani's dealings with ukrainian officials allegations that trump put pressure on ukraine to investigate these potential rival in next year's presidential election joe biden have sparked calls for trump's removal from office 3 of giuliani's associates have also been subpoenaed. well let's bring in washington correspondent of a seller to unpack today's events of a welcome public opinion finally seems to have shifted about half now support the impeachment inquiry what's behind that do you think. well we've seen a steady search here since last week where numbers went up 8 percent so nearly every 2nd american now supports an impeachment inquiry against president trump that was a pretty much different just a couple weeks ago and so what began as a very much as a political risk for the democratic party looks like a successful path at least until now because what the democrats also know is that they eventually will have a very difficult to task to i

and exactly what rudy giuliani said about that aid is critical. now, giuliani is denying that he ever mentioned that, that he was just making the case for a bind investigation in another paul manafort-related investigation but exactly what rudy was saying, he only got to an aid, not the president. that is one thing the democrats' three panels of democratic committees in the house that are investigating it, that's what they want to know. >> one question on rudy giuliani, what's his legal jeopardy? two, for the whistleblower, what sort of legal rights does this whistleblower have moving forward? what sort of legal defense does this whistler blower have? >> with regard to rudy giuliani, it's very interesting. you know, there is the statute known as the logan act that cwih regard to michael flynn. it's a crime for civilians to engage foreign policy or foreign discussions with foreign leaders. the idea you're not supposed to go outside the apparatus of the government. with rudy giuliani, although he relates donald trump, he represents him in his persona

what do you make of rudy giuliani's role in this?nd just the way he seems to reveal things right before they're going to come out. >> there is a method to his madness. he knows what he's doing. he's going to deliver the bad news before we know about it or before the president is mentioned in it, and he's going to try to shape the story before the story comes out. i mean, he's back. this is what giuliani did, as you showed really well here during the mueller report. and this is what he's trying to do now. and effectively take the fall himself to a certain degree because he knows more is about to unspool itself in terms of the president's role in all of this and his phone call with the ukranians. >> just because you admit something, ervin, like it's no big deal doesn't mean it's not a big deal. that doesn't inoculate you against the consequences of doing something that is wrong. >> no, that's absolutely right. and the intelligence community and inspector general has come out and said this is a big deal and urges concern that warrants a

rudy giuliani, mike pompeo, william barr and mick mull veiny.giuliani was named over 30 times in the whistleblower's complaint. at least seven democratic senators have renewed calls for the justice department national security division to look into whether he is in compliance with foreign lobbying laws. giuliani says he was directed by the state department to engage with crane ynukrainen officials secretary of state mike pompeo for his side was subpoenaed friday to turn over documents related to trump's call by october 4th. attorney general bill barr was put into the spotlight wednesday when the white house released a memo. that's when it was revealed that president trump had mentioned barr has someone who can potentially help ukraine investigate the former vice president. the department of justice says that barr has not contacted ukraine officials nor was he asked to do so by president trump. they also say that he did not speak with giuliani about ukraine. and all eyes also on mick mulvaney as president trump is reportedly inferiorated with the

rudy giuliani is involved.e had two days of completely uncharacteristic disclosures from the white house of the partial transcript and today the whistle-blower's report. but remember, all the other information that is talked about in this report is in the possession of the white house, these lawyers, the classified information. all of that is at the white house. how hard is the white house going to fight to keep adam schiff's committee from seeing that stuff? i think they're going to fight pretty hard and that's going to be i think a central part of the investigation to come. >> although there is also the former ambassador to the ukraine who apparently was forced out with help from giuliani on that. there is also the head of i think -- i'm not sure of the title, but sort of negotiations in ukraine who seems to have been mentioned as well. seems like there would be a lot of state department people who would have knowledge of this. dana, isn't that an avenue that they could pursue? but it also, to jeffrey's point

rudy giuliani and his extraordinary role in all of this, jeff mason?> it certainly is an extraordinary role. i think it's worth underscoring over and over that he is a private attorney for president trump, so everything that he's done in this role has been with that sort of framework. i mean, that interview was fascinating in that it doesn't sound like he's had direction yet from the president on whether or not he should cooperate. i think he said later to george that he does have a client and if his client directs him to cooperate, then he would. i think that exemplifies a little bit of what's going on at the white house now as well. there is a sense of we don't have a full strategy yet and that means maybe some talking points here or there. but in general, they're still working on it. that means they haven't gotten out the strategy to people like lieutenant for the president. >> and up on the hill, jeff depositions. most of congress is on recess, but the house intelligence committee already has a busy schedule this week. >> reporter: they do. to foll