so rudy guliani rings on "outnumbered." as, there was another meeting or a -- >> harris: that michael cohen said happened. >> by michael cohen prior to the trump tower meeting which rudy wept on to say never took place. he was referring to apparently in the interviews this morning the thing that trump never atenneded was this second meeting that cohen says took place which rudy says never happened, which again to me continues to raise the question of if the meeting didn't happen, why would you deny -- >> harris: i got the answer to that. we drilled down on that more than once with him. i really wanted to get clear on this point. here's what he said. he said look, none of this is out yet. none of this is out there per se. so he's giving us information and now putting it in the blood stream of america real time. he said the president didn't attend the meeting that jared kushner and don jr. -- >> he said the meeting didn't happen. >> harris: then he says it didn't happen. he's telegraphing what happened down the pike. we're awa

rudy guliani accused cohen of doctoring one of the recordings. rick leventhal is here with more. >> i had michael cohen on the phone. i wish we had a chance to talk about all of these topics. but instead he thanked me and referred me to his lawyer and hung up. but the president says cohen can't be trusted anymore. this morning on cnn, rudy guliani would have called benedict arnold an honest before before finding out he's a traitor. he called michael cohen a pathological lawyer. he told "fox and friends" that it's cohen's lack of credibility. >> there's numerous recordings of other people having nothing to do with the trump organization, which will give you an idea of what a scoundrel he was. >> and rudy guliani said the recordings themselves can't be trusted. >> if he taped everything else, why didn't he tape this? he's capable i think of doctoring tapes. he's not done it. hard to do it now since we have an expert all over it. it's flat out untrue. >> the tape he's referring to that we heard was a recorded conversation with the president and kare

rudy guliani slams cohen as a liar. critics accuse guliani of damaging the president's case.illian turner has more. >> reporter: michael cohen is now claiming his boss approved the infamous trump tower meeting that's become a feature in the mueller probe. the meeting took place in new york city in june of 2016 and including paul manafort, jared kushner and a russian lawyer. the president reinforced the claim he made several times, saying i did not know of the meeting with my son, john don d. the president's song has insisted his father had no knowledge of this meeting. >> it was such a nothing. there was nothing to tell. i wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. it was a waste of 20 minutes. >> reporter: this claim from cohen comes just days after someone leaked a recording of a conversation between him and president trump about hush money paid to a playboy model. now the president's inner circle is painting an unflattering portrait of could you hen. >> he lied to people about taping the president and other people. he went to subterfuge to

his attorney, rudy guliani, suggested that the president is okay on this matter. >> guliani is trying to make lemonade out of lemons here. saying this is quite exculpatory. yes, i think that is a good point on the part of the president, that he wanted it papered up because checks, check stubs can be subpoenaed. there's a record there. a paper trail there. you know, he's making the point that the payment was never made. it's questionable at what point in the story line this potential payment we're talking about was made and i think it's after that $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. there's a lot of questions whether cohen colluding with ami on that payment. so many issues. >> and if he recorded this call, most likely recording other calls. the question is what is on the other recordings, which we don't know. >> and to the question of cooperation and michael cohen. they already have the recordings. it's not as if -- the ball is in michael cohen's point at this point. whatever recordings he made, the federal government has. >> thanks, caroline. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate it.

rudy guliani slams cohen as a liar. critics accuse guliani of damaging the president's case.r has more. >> reporter: michael cohen is now claiming his boss approved the infamous trump tower meeting that's become a feature in the mueller probe. the meeting took place in new york city in june of 2016 and including paul manafort, jared kushner and a russian lawyer. the president reinforced the claim he made several times, saying i did not know of the meeting with my son, john don d. the president's song has insisted his father had no knowledge of this meeting. >> it was such a nothing. there was nothing to tell. i wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. it was a waste of 20 minutes. >> reporter: this claim from cohen comes just days after someone leaked a recording of a conversation between him and president trump about hush money paid to a playboy model. now the president's inner circle is painting an unflattering portrait of could you hen. >> he lied to people about taping the president and other people. he went to subterfuge to do it, a wh

i think that rudy guliani is giving president trump the exact correct advice.ld do the same thing. we're over a year in the investigation and if there's not one piece of evidence to show that there's any basis to this, then why go and risk that? we're at the point now where robert mueller is probably getting pressure. this is his only case. most special prosecutors deal with this plus a full docket. so he's under pressure to find something. that's when we'll get wrongful convictions. if we look at the high profile cases in the last 20 years like duke lacrosse, when you have high intensity and scrutiny, the prosecutors are looking for something rather than doing their job. >> neil: and you're trying to find out what that something is if you're rudy guliani as if the mueller folks will tell you that. so looks like a mexican standoff. it's not going to happen, right? >> and it won't. why should it? if the president is smart and he's very smart, this is a fishing expedition on mueller's part to bring back more attention. so the fact that we're talking about this as

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like the president hired rudy guliani. if he hired him. he's he's lawyer. you don't hire lanny davis to do quiet negotiating behind the scenes. lanny davis is a tv guy. >> i think it came down to this. he's not cooperating with the federal government, so he doesn't have that area -- >> shepard: we don't know in the federal government has asked. who knows if they have something that they might want. >> or whether they want it -- >> shepard: or anything further. they have million plus documents. >> and the trump administration has abandoned him. so he's the child of no one. i think he's trying to get out there and at least publicly put a face on him that doesn't make him look like a monster. it's as simple as that. >> shepard: what to do. thank you. >> thank you. >> shepard: some gop lawmakers are threatening to impeach the man overseeing the russia investigation. what is this? this is not republicans believing that he should be impeach at all. this is a small group from the freedom caucus raising the flag. are they just appealing to the base? here's what we

on cnn last night, rudy guliani said cohen is the kind of witness who could destroy mueller's whole case. >> i expected something like this from cohen. he's been lying all week, for years. the tapes that we have demonstrate any number of very serious lies by him back 1 1/2 years ago, including his fooling people, hiding tape recordings, telling them they weren't recorded. breaking face with them. taping his client, which is a disbarable offense. i don't see how he has any credibility. if you had a trail and there won't be a trial, you'd say which lie do you want to pick? >> of course, the president trusted cohen for years. now shep, he says he was dooped. >> shepard: rick, we're learning more about the russian operative that met with donald trump jr. >> yes, she's denied working closely with moscow telling congress she operated independently of any government bodies. the associated press said they reviewed scores of e-mails and documents and discovered that she worked as a ghost writer for the government and admitted to nbc that she worked as an informant for the kremlin. the a.p. found

so for rudy guliani to say there's no such crime as collusion, he's right.s the wrong word. >> trish: and don jr. had this meeting with the russian lawyer that somehow that is "proof" of that term that you're not wild about, collusion. but at the same time, judge, you had hillary's camp going all the way to russia on foreign soil paying for intel to dig up dirt on donald trump. if one is collusion, why isn't the other? >> it's conspiracy, not collusion. but i've been complaining for 18 months now about the justice department looking the other way for the many crimes of hillary clinton. they're not bound by jim comey's statement that she's not going to be prosecuted. they're not bound by any decision by loretta lynch not to pros cute here but they don't want to go near it. >> trish: judge, good to see it. >> thanks, trish. >> trish: we'll be right back. new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. save $200 on this dell lapto

also rudy guliani and annuity ay gingrich and -- newt gingrich and us journalists who were there.t' people anywhere around the world talking about highway bad things are in iran, the fact that a diplomat, that was they say a member of the security service is the one that commissioned this bomb plot. really there is no question why people like myself pompeo, john bolton and donald trump are concerned about iran, they are a threat not just to their own people but people all over the world. charles: peter then why isn't europe acting like they are such a threat? they have pushed back hard against getting out of the iran ran nuclear deal. and ambassador mentioned she --e thinks they will come around but they have not sided with us on obvious. and the nuclear ambitions. why do you think our allies have not been by our side on this? >> well there is economic interest. we know that, they are not huge but there are economic interests that include energy and security, they don't feel as threatened as we do by an iranian nuclear weapons program, you mentioned paris plot. we have seen that s

and rudy guliani suggested that.ve the full access to the tape, as itickested at the t existed at this time, and until forensics are done we do not know what michael cohen put forward as evidence, the fact that he even recorded a client without his knowledge, that may be legal in new york state with one part but that is certainly unethical. liz: and bremer said that last week of a good week for the president. outside of quote cnn land. let's watch. >> you ask me the big pic pictu, it has been a good week for trump. >> how. >> growth in u.s., europeans back down on trade, he is a win or that front, north koreans more progress. with remains coming back. and stuff about michael cohen. is he credible? he was trump's lawyer, if you are a trump supporter this is blah, blah, blah. >> that is true. i think that president trump delivering results on campaign promises, he is under promising and over delivering, as a candidate he said 3 dollars growth, we at 4.1% growth. we are at full employment, and trade he is putting our fr

rudy guliani said the president will make an excellent choice. >> well, first of all, he's looking for a really good job. he's got it. he should be looking for a conservative. he should be. that's why we elected him. he's looking for somebody that is young. they are. somebody that will stick to their principles. >> dana: i'll talk to john cornyn about how the confirmation fight could shape up in the senate. first, anchor of fox news at night, shannon bream. what do we know about how tough the confirmation battle could get? >> dana, no matter whom the president names tonight, we expect it could get ugly. this reminds me when we were waiting for the name that turned out to be justice gorsuch. there were groups on the left that had banners and posters that opposed and a black line so they could fill in the name, which signalled to us there will be groups unhappy no whom the president picks. there's a protest scheduled for 10:00 p.m. it's being led by senator elizabeth warren and a number of pro choice groups as well. democrats are warning no matter who the president picks, there will be a

leland: before that, rudy guliani on fox news sunday tomorrow, we'll see what he has to say then.resting for sure. thank you, ma'am. let's bring in democratic strategist, former obama campaign regional field director, robin byro. good to see you. appreciate it. >> thank you. leland: you know that democrats keep yelling this is proof of russian collusion by the trump campaign. there doesn't seem to be a lot there, there and you've got to rely on the word of a lawyer who just a couple of weeks ago democrats were trashing as his horribly unethical terrible guy. >> i see your point. it's a good one. you have to really wonder, is he just setting himself up for a plea deal. i think yes. you brought up the lead-up to the segment, it was great that you pointed out that just two months ago rudy guliani said he was a very honest and honorable lawyer and now he's saying that he's a pathological liar and that they've known that for years. it's hard to read the truth in any of this. one thing for sure is that cohen is clearly not looking out for his former client's best interest. anyone can se

the president's attorney, rudy guliani, telling cbs news yesterday there's nothing to announce. this is despite a self-imposed deadline on the decision now passing. guliani telling the "washington post" last month, i'd like to get it done by july 4th. around that time guliani was pressed on why a decision was still pending and in terms of what the president's team would agree to. watch. >> why are you dragging it out? don't you know what you want to do now? >> yeah. sure. i don't want to do it. >> are you trying to change the president's mind? >> the president wants to do it. we have to sort through it. we owe him a presentation of something to the special counsel may or may not offer, which gets to the point here. we're in rather sensitive negotiations with him. >> meantime, bloomberg reports that mueller is tapping additional prosecutors at the justice department and fbi agents and current and former u.s. officials say that's a sign that he may be laying the ground work to eventually hand-off parts of the expanding investigation. trey gowdy blasted rod rosenstein over the seem

we've seen some republicans, rudy guliani, the president's personal lawyer that says this is evidence that the probe should end. i imagine most people are not going that far. democrats are saying it should continue and republicans, i think, will kind of remain quiet and say it should wrap up soon, which has been their line. >> rick: in terms of these 12, prosecution is likely since the prospects are in russia and it won't be extradited. >> exactly. senator warner, you had him on earlier saying this is a messaging tool. saying we know about this. this is very serious and the president is going to meet with vladimir putin. so he might pressure him to send these guys back but i doubt putin will do that. >> rick: how do we protect ourselves from this happening again? >> i'm not the right person. that's cyber security experts. we can have the government look at how to bolster security going forward. like when you get an e-mail, check it to make sure it's from a credible source. >> rick: you think this might make things more awkward at the summit coming monday? >> it depends on how far the

>> that's what rudy guliani says today. check with him tomorrow. >> i think there's a more serious question here. when the special counsel pitched this raid of the president's lawyers office and they were able to glean through all of these materials, a lot of people had serious concerns with that. now, there are some narrow cases where that could be acceptable. it raises a lot of questions in americans' minds that believe that there should be some fairness and some real strong guardrails between somebody who is being investigated and the lawyer that they have used in the past that is also part of that investigation. so there's very serious questions about this. we don't know where the leak is coming from, but i will have to tell you, i think it's a very serious question about what they know and what we're going to find out. >> perhaps in the president's favor, we're not talking about the collusion issue anyway at this moment in time. anyway, good to see you all. thanks so much. still to come, new developments in kim jong-un

. >> trish, we've seen a lot of the president's attorney, rudy guliani on tv, making the case that michaelalling him a pathological manipulator suggesting that he may have doctored the one reporting we've heard of him and the president. guliani said he defended cohen before knowing what a scoundrel he was and told wallace that he has no credibility left. >> i should say i feel sorry for him but nobody will believe me. he destroyed himself as a witness. i prosecuted 5,000 cases. i would never prosecute his case. >> over the weekend, the president tweeted a screen grab of a michael cohen tweet from last july when he said he was so proud of trump jr. for being open, honest and transparent to the american people, this nonsense needs to stop. the president said you think the fake news media would have a report on this tweet from michael. last week, lanny davis said his client has turned over a new leaf and reminded everyone guliani himself approved the release of the recording writing mr. guliani seems to be confused. he expressly waived attorney client privilege last week and talked about talk

rudy guliani said as much. there's no there there. right?>> neil, let me say this to you and the viewers. if cohen had something of tremendous value, the u.s. attorney's offices would be beating cohen's door down to have him to a queen for a day or acknowledgement. that is where cohen would come in and tell the u.s. attorney's office what he had the they wanted it, then they can grant him immunity. none of that has happened there may be a possibility that the u.s. attorney's office is saying i don't give a damn about cohen and what he has to say because he has nothing to say that we don't >> neil: what about the means by which we got it? you mentioned that his office, home was raided. that's not an every-day event. if this is result of that, i mean, that's a tough one to justify a raid after the fact, isn't it? >> it certainly is. i got to tell you, the danger for trump and cohen is not maybe in this tape about an alleged affair. the danger is how many other tapes that cohen made have made with trump that could very well be damaging. >> neil

rudy guliani a little more than an hour ago went so far to say that he's being told on television that it would be legal malpractice to let the president sit down with mueller and they doesn't want to get disbarred. guliani wouldn't go all the way to say no, there will be no interview but he came close. listen here. >> two things. first, i'm no on the sit-down until we get ironed out exactly what they want to do. the process is, we have five co-counsel, senior people, who will advise the president. he decide. he's always leaned in favor of doing it. right now i'm telling him no way. >> a final decision has not been made. the final decision will be the president's. at this point they're as close to no as no can be. really does seem to be a matter of how and when they're going to tell mueller that and roll it out to the public. >> dana: john, as you been speaking, john bolton and the press secretary sarah sanders enter in the east room. we're probably closer to the president's press conference. what do you expect to hear from him and the italian prime minister in the next few minutes? >>

the president's attorney, rudy guliani, is reportedly dismissing mueller's interest in the tweets asart of an effort to bring down the president. >> the european union is going to start almost immediately to buy a lot of soy beans. this will open markets for farmers and workers, increase investment and lead to greater prosperity in the united states and the european union. it will also make trade fairer and more reciprocal. my favorite word, "reciprocal". >> dana: president trump backing off on his trade threats against the e.u. following a meeting with the president of the commission yesterday. this comes as support for the president drops in key battleground states. the "wall street journal" poll showing trump's approval at 36% in michigan, 36% in wisconsin. joining me now, josh kraushar from the national journal. was the president looking for a way out as he was feeling pressure from members of congress that are nipping at his heels? >> it sure sounded like that, dana. when you have a senator like ron johnson from wisconsin, the midwest, one of the bigger trump allies in the senat

on october 25, then trump campaign adviser rudy guliani promised a "big surprise" coming up in the campaign. october 28 guliani claimed to be in contact with former agents and a few active agents that don't want to identify themselves. there was a concern that there have a deep and visceral hatred to secretary clinton in the field office. at the same time, mr. guliani said he's having contacts with agents, active agents. can you give us your comments on this particular issue? >> i recall that comment. i recall it caused me a lot of concern. >> why? why did it cause you concern? >> because while it's possible that mr. guliani is exaggerating our engaging in some sort of puffery, the reality that given the things going on, given timing that the laptop was there and he was talking about that and the context of a big surprise caused me great concern that he had information about that. that he shouldn't have had. >> that he shouldn't have had. >> correct. >> through a leak? >> through an unauthorized disclosure, leak, yes. >> thank you, sir. >> the members are advised there's votes on the floor

we just heard from rudy guliani.tion to go through now, this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. the president ripped robert mueller claiming he has numerous conflicts of interest including what he describe as the very nasty business relationship.

rudy guliani said the president will make an excellent choice. >> well, first of all, he's looking fory good job. he's got it. he should be looking for a conservative. he should be. that's why we elected him. he's looking for somebody that is young. they are. somebody that will stick to

. >> attorney rudy guliani working for the president tweeted this afternoon in cohen is telling the truth, why are he and lanny davis misrepresenting the language by the president? why are they leaking falsely privileged information? so much for ethics. davis said he released the tape because he was getting smeared in the press and he wanted to set the record tape. >> shepard: we just got word, had no idea this was coming from the white house, as many of you know, there's a white house pool that involving five major networks. the pool covers anything that happened at the white house. moments we got notification that there's a surprised event about to happen. the pool has been summoned to the roosevelt room. we're expecting to get something soon. will it be the president? honestly we don't know. we just been told of an unannounced event. is this unprecedented? certainly not. is it unusual? certainly not. there's some debate about whether this cohen recording is evidence of a crime, civilly, criminally, inappropriately, the debate exists. >> it could be evidence of an agreement to commit ci

rudy guliani has claimed that he doesn't have to testify if he doesn't think the prosecutor has a good basis for the investigation, that mr. trump doesn't have to testify if he thinks the prosecutor isn't being objective and doesn't have to testify if he doesn't have evidence of a crime. on this picture. mr. al capone testified before a grand jury and didn't think there was a basis for that investigation and he didn't think the prosecutor was objective but he testified under oath as did president bill clinton because no one is above the law, no one is immune from a subpoena, not mr. al capone, not mr. donald trump. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: members re reminded not to engage in personalities against the president. any further one-minute requests from the floor? under the speaker's announced policy of january 3, 2017, the gentleman from virginia, mr. taylor, is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader. mr. taylor: i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to include extraneous material on the topic of this special order.

the president's personal lawyer, rudy guliani, also told fox news that he is asking mueller for a, quotethe investigation before he and the rest of the legal team will consider letting president trump sit down and have an interview with special council robert mueller. leland. leland: allison barber near the president's club in new jersey, nice to see you. thanks so much. with that, we bring in republican finance ere dan palmer from los angeles. give me a sense of the l politics of the supreme court pick. you're calling and raising money for the mi midterms, senate and house candidates, does having a supreme court pick in the pipeline make it easier? >> well, it certainly motivates a wing of the party. a lot of folks regard the court as possibly the most important part of the trump presidency. we've been on a long, slow slide towards making law from the bench and there's an opportunity to reverse that. so it's very significant. leland: when you say a wing, depending on who you talk to, it's the one thing uniting the republican party. what's the wing you're talking about? >> certainly the

maria: next topic, mueller investigation, rudy guliani laying down new parameters for the trump, mueller evidence of criminal wrongdoing first. >> it's a factual basis for the investigation, we've been through everything on collusion and obstruction. we can't find an incream nateing anything -- incriminating anything. we need a basis for the investigation, particularly since we know it was started by biased people. maria: that's what congress is looking at, devin nunes wants to know the origin of the drum -- trump russia probe. why did they launch it in the first place. >> i don't think he'll get it while the probe is going on. it's inconceivable that the prosecutor would show his card to politicians before he played the cards. they have every right to keep that stuff to themselves until they indict or exonerate. as for rudy, this is a sophisticated way to say the president's not sitting down with you. u.s. attorney guliani, when you went over solerno did you show him the evidence you had against him before you charged him? of course not. maria: remember what came up from the intel commu

dagen: if you're rudy guliani would you wait until after this all is done before making a decision aboutdent to sit down for an interview. >> if i were rudy, i wouldn't let the president sit down for an interview. dagen: thank you for that answer. joe mansion meeting with supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh yesterday, becoming the first in his party to sit down with president trump's pick for the high court after the two met on capitol hill, the west virginia senator described the meeting as productive. vice president mike pence explained why the president chose kavanaugh during his interview with maria bartiromo last week. >> the president of the yates, in this doppler -- of the united states, in this deliberation, he was looking for a judge with extraordinary credentials and i think lengthand i i think length, also a -- i think intellect. this is the message we'll carry to republicans and democrats in the senate and we remain confident that before the fall is out, that judge brett kavanaugh will be justice brett kavanaugh. dagen: senator joe mansion, heidi hid hidecamp and joe donny