there's two rudy gulianis in this.g to establish a baseline against the public that the indictment would be unacceptable. when we see him in a histrionic way saying things over my dead body, that's usually what he's trying to say. but i think last week with chris wallace, he was trying to send a message to bob mueller. that is we will negotiate can you to have the president speak. the negotiations have fallen by the wayside. >> shepard: way? it's better than a subpoena? >> yes. rudy is in the room. they can stop the interrogation and walk out and confer with him. they can confer with president after each question and each answer before they want. a grand jury environment they can't. the president is in there and the prosecutors and fbi agents and grand jurors. nobody there to help him and he would leave the room at his own peril. >> shepard: what would that do to the country? >> bill clinton -- >> shepard: definite of is. >> bill clinton was interrogated before a grand jury and he chose to have it on a live national te

not only as rudy guliani said, he taped his own client.hat's unethical in every jurisdiction and the district of columbia and every territory. i'm proud of my old office of the southern district. i think they're a terrific office. but i don't see how anybody can credit what michael cohen said. he did not get a cooperation agreement. he had a plea agreement, not a cooperation agreement. i have to give credit to his lawyers because he did better without a cooperation agreement. what he did is selectively answer questions. you can't do that. what you usually do, you don't agree, i'm going to testify against x or testify against individual 1. usually you agree to tell the truth as to everything they ask you. he managed to navigate and only answer what he wanted to answer. >> neil: a very good answer. >> he got a sweetheart deal. >> neil: as a great lawyer in your own right, if the issue involving michael cohen of payments to these two women and the president says he insists they were private funds, is that the end of the story here? or is it,

the president no longer paying michael cohen, but he is paying rudy guliani. i talked to him. he told me the sentencing hearing shows why the president thinks this is a witch hunt. cohen said he did this out of blind loyalty to the president. he said he didn't tape it but he did and leaked it to the media. that stands in contrast that he was blindly loyal to the president. he faulted the special office of the counsel for not pointing out the contradictions. guliani played down any implication that the president is guilty of a campaign financial allegations. he said they were legal because they were paid out of the president's own pocket. senator lindsey graham played down the fall oout. >> any time former lawyer of yours goes to jail it's probably not a good day. i didn't see any evidence coming from mr. cohen of collusion. that's what started the mueller investigation to be ge win. michael cohen says he tells the truth over the years. add the appropriate time after mr. mueller completes his investigation, i look forward to assisting mike m to state publicly all he knows about

his lawyer, rudy guliani, told fox news what flynn did was comparable to spitting on the sidewalk. true. if spitting on the sidewalk and lying to the government about your context with a russian spy are the same thing. otherwise, no. guliani said the whole russian investigation started as an orchestrated attempt to take the president out of office as an insurance policy. of course, there's a punch we don't know from the special counsel's sentencing report. the redacted part, the details under seal. likely not forever. the top democrat on the house intelligence committee adam schiff points out the recommendation of no jail for flynn, apart from the irony that led chants of "lock her up" reflects the timeliness and significance of his help that most of the details redacted signals that we've given far more than we on the president may know. the president himself has not responded. catherine herridge reporting live from washington. >> shep, what is attracting the most attention is the heavily redacted sections that were blacked out citing sensitive information and ongoing investigatio

the president's attorney, rudy guliani, called these findings complete exoneration of the president. they have nothing. we're happy about it. the president and guliani are right about this. alan dershowitz said don't ever think about making a deal with mueller because it's not going to work out wheel for you. take a look. >> right now it does not sounds like it's good news from mueller. doesn't sound like in cohen they have found a witness that will give them the key to the kingdom. so far the only solid evidence he's provided is the campaign contribution issue, and it's a very weak case. >> sean: tonight we have two men facing years behind bars, a third one, george papadopoulos who was released tied who was jailed for lying to investigators. the question is for what? when you read these documents, we hear about taxi medallions, fraudulent loan applications, tax evasion. lying about a potential project in moscow that never got off the ground and whether they stopped talking about it in january in 2016 or june in 2016. the horror. how will america ever recover. clearly an election was

rudy guliani says the crime the former fixer michael cohen pleaded to is not a crime.te the president's personal finances when the party takes control of the house. michael flynn's former business partner charged with illegal lobbying a day before the security adviser learns about lying for his russian contacts. now we're getting an inside look at how russia

chris will have a fantastic program this sunday with the president trump's attorney rudy guliani willthere. we'll probably get some knowledge dropped there. and chris will talk with a microsoft co-founder, bill gates who is co-chair of the bill and melinda gates foundation. that's this sunday on "fox news sunday." it's on your local fox station, you know, the one where they have the football. that's where it airs the first time. airs in the morning time sometime. you have to check your local listings. then it airs later on fox news channel. you should watch it on your local fox station first. that's when it's new and great. coming up, i'll talk with a lawyer about this. what does this mean in the big picture? is there some sign of things to come? and i've been reading from some of you, flynn didn't lie. stop it, stop it. find something defensible. that's not it. the president said he lied. the vice president said he lied. robert mueller said he lied. incoming press secretary said he lied. fbi said he lied. he lied. now we'll see what happens. when my hot water heater failed it rocked

any question whether there will be a counter report saying it's been incorrectly reported that rudy guliani and others won't be doing a counter to the mueller report. it's fake news. the president already beginning the counter assault saying will robert mueller's big-time conflicts of interest be listed at the top of his republicans-only report? will andrew wiseman's past be listed in the report? he wrongly destroyed people's lice. doing the same thing to people now. the president is particularly upset with how weissman is treating paul manafort. putting him in solitary confinement. all of this before special investigators for questioning. the investigators believe that manafort, according to guliani, has been lying to him. guliani insists that manafort has been telling the truth about the president. a war of words erupted between rex tillerson, the former secretary of state and the president today at the m.d. anderson cancer institute last night at a forum. tillerson said to the president, so often the president would say here's what i want to do and i would say, mr. president, i understan