rich. that did not result in criminal charges, but criminal charges absolutely could be in play here. and you mentioned that fact that rudyi requested $2 million to obtain a pardon for a client? i mean, let me tell you, there's no way there's $2 million worth of actual legal work being done by rudy giuliani there. so, as a prosecutor, i would definitely want to take a look at that. >> how much does he charge to get you impeached, you know? >> right, i don't know what the fee was. >> what was that? but it's not that president trump is taking -- as far as we know, it's not that president trump is taking this money. it's that the lobbyists are getting paid for their fees. is that legal or not legal? >> yeah, i mean, again, you would have to connect the dots. look, if -- the most obvious form of bribery is "a" pays "b" in exchange for a pardon. few bu if it goes through a middle man, a rudy giuliani, if "a" pays "b" and "b" does a favor for "c" or "c" does something for "b," it can still be a bribe. in other words, bribes don't always have to go direct from the payer to the recipient. they can go through a middle man, whether