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listen, rufo is an interesting guy. i've interviewed him.ng evidence about what went down at american express. he started to look at other companies, and i think, the positive that's coming out of this , is that these corporate inclusion diversity training seminars are going to be more inclusive and less divisive, liz, and i think that's a good thing. back to you. i don't know if it's expecting the stock though, that's a whole other question. liz: we're a business network, people get their politics elsewhere, i just think it's really important to tell the story, charlie, and also, in the end, these are companies, yes, they are publicly traded but they are not government-run, they can run their businesses anyway they want. charlie: and but the problem is, liz, they are getting a backlash from their employees too. that's the whole thing. this is a big business story. you know what's going on in the world. how do you dramatize that inside your company without with being inclusive as opposed to diversity? liz: better to be not divisive, we're al

manhattan institute senior fellow chris rufo is here now with more on this.ly disturbing. hard to believe and if i look at the list, like half of america then is a white supremacist and i wonder, chris, is that the point, that you can crush your political ideological enemies and still claim the moral high ground because, you know, they are racist? >> that's right. for years now companies in silicon valley including google are ideological echo chambers. this is what happened. i have documents now from a third of the for country 100 companies promoting similarly themed anti-racism programs. and this an in the confines of silicon valley is considered not only unusual it's considered virtuous. >> they slander and degrade half the country and make this absurd assertion that someone like ben shapiro, who is a person of conviction, a person of character, is somehow on the road to genocide. it's absolutely ridiculous. they should retract and eliminate this program immediately. >> rachel: google controls virtually all information flow in our country. i mean, it's real

let me start with you, david, we saw through christopher rufo's twitter.e know your client complained about the critical race theory dynamic and then eventually got fired. what is your reasoning here with the lawsuit? >> well, look, tammy, it's been the law of the land are very long time that companies are not allowed to hire and fire employees based on their race, based on their skin color. and they are not allowed to implement policies that require employees to treat each other differently based on their race as well or their skin color. >> tammy: exactly. >> but, in the year of george floyd, and black lives matter, what happened is you have these giant woke corporations who are essentially implementing these policies which is not only illegally but morally repugnant. that's exactly what happened to brian here. they implemented this policy but executives were financially incentivized to make their departments specifically departments like brian's and the level above him they were incentivized to make those quote, unquote, more diverse but what we mean wh