nixon would have been that person, but there was also another man named rufus lewis who was interested in voter registration and when people get elected, holding them to office to do something while they are there. and that those persons need -- going to need -- there's followers of both of them, so we need to get them. joanne says i know who the spokesman ought to be. it ought to be my pastor, martin luther king, haven't been in town long, haven't been involved in any civil rights activities, but one thing he can do, he can move people with words. i said fine. i said let me suggest these other two leaders because we need them to be in key roles. e.d. nixon, he knew the black labor leader in new york, was president of his union, and if we make him the treasurer, you're going to need money to try to help do all the work that needs to be done, and randolph would help him do it, make him treasurer. then rufus lewis, a former coach at alabama state, well respected, was the owner of a nightclub called the citizens club. in order to get in that club, you had to be a registered voter, but his

rufus lewis was chairman of the transportation money. the lawyer out of law school to serve as lawyer for them. we sowed those seeds and joann said let's get through with the meeting. we assigned responsibilities to each one of us. she said i will go. another black woman has been arrested on the buses. a trial this monday. as a protest, stay off the buses. there will be a meeting on monday evening. when the meetings were made, as a result of the seeds we sowed, neither one of us, it could not be known that we were doing this planning. if it had been known what she was doing as a teacher of a state-supported school, she would have been fired. she was fired anyway, but it was much later. i would have been disbarred before i got barred. the seeds were sown, the information was given out. when the buses started on monday morning, very few blacks rode the buses. we had mrs. parks' trial. i knew that they were going to convict her. i raised constitutional issues and got the witnesses i needed during the trial and i knew the jury was going to f