. >> president cohen: i have a question for you, miss rugals. i want to know the metrics that we use to evaluate and their success. >> well, we could an annual monitoring -- we do an an monitoring, but as a general, it's looking at recidivism, it's looking at, you know, how many people get into the programs, how long they stay -- i don't know, did you -- >> president cohen: so based on what you've just described, it's like a counting. you're keeping track on what the numbers are. i want to know, what is the goal, what is the standard and, i guess, a clearer picture of the tool that you're using to evaluate these contracts? how do we know that they're successful, that they're meeting their mark? are we just using it based on the number of people that they're serving? okay. this gentleman seems to know the answer. >> yes. there's two staff that can speak to -- one, the seneca program is a children's program, and allison can speak to those measurements, which is really measuring change in their improvement, but she can speak to that. and then, jim