and this is -- this is sort of rumsfeld redux. forget about iraq -- the whole concept was don't send troops in here, blow them up from some great distance. we don't need the ten divisions the plan says to take and hold iraq. it takes a couple of guys with hand grenades and precision guided munition. >> it is amazing that the phrase rumsfeld redux would come in the same sentence as talking about the obama administration -- we will be talking more about the defense industry and ron paul of the john hielemann, it has been great. we hear you're going to climbs north in new hampshire where hopefully we'll see you on our monitors. >> heading to the granite state right now. thanks for having me. >> we have to take a break. but is ron paul winning the military vote? we'll talk about that next. >> for years her product was manufactured in china but now she's moved the company to a new multimillion dollar factory in maryland. it reduces shipping and inventory cost and brings much needed jobs to the u.s. for more watch your business at 7:30

we look at the pop landscape rumsfeld -- and rumsfeld most with a to look at the problem. this is the guy that is lumps in to that charge. whatever he wanted to do was rendered not moot but was overcome by the events post- 9/11. he also had the really legendary arguments about the structure required to take iraq. he wanted to lowball it. he did lowball it. it played out in ways that the secretary was may be proved the one he was right. >> he said you need a couple hundred thousand. >> he said $300,000. rumsfeld wanted to do it with half or less. it worked for the march to baghdad. worlar willy the whole cost $60 billion. let me show you a slide we have, because of the war up until now. this is according to the congressional research service that works for capitol hill. >> 800 something billion for iraq, five under $57 billion for afghanistan. -- $557 billion for afghanistan. this has none of the future cost and the health care standpoint. there is a lot of stuff not in those figures. how did we get from $60 billion as a promise to now $1.40 trillion? >> shortsighted thinki

again you know i'm not a great fan of don rumsfeld generally but where he was and he was right was that smart systems information technology being applied to the battlefield and today we've got space to you know space based systems that the combination of all of this whether it cost more or less nonetheless should give us some ability to generate military superiority or to play a what's called an offshore balancing role between contending powers that doesn't mean we have to have this big you know mammoth like sprawling presence wherever we may be the right way to do it if we really want to shift our strategy was is really to become more nimble but then perhaps calling on all things going on one hundred hundreds of bases that we have a lot i would recommend that i mean a lot of people been recommending that you know you basically decentralize you create a very different but you know the fact is the u.s. military with all due respect to those folks that are fighting for us and i do respect them have a lot of beaches around the world that they don't want to give up they like a lot of real

am i right it mirrors a little bit about what the secretary of defense rumsfeld planned?hen, of course, 9/11 happened and everything changed. >> you know, exactly. i think what you saw with secretary rumsfeld believing that the means to go to afghanistan could be a new model for the united states military. that is one of the problems we tend to have. we believe in a one size fits all, after what was a success in one combat theater of operation. that does not transition to another combat theater operation. that is why it's so important to have the respectful generals that are over there and understand the battlefield. you allow them to go in and develop the threat assessments and come back to you telling me what is the capability of the -- [ inaudible ] >> greta: do you think that the president were i assume, maybe i'm wrong, but were military leaders not part of the new plan and strategy going forward? are you hearing from people at the pentagon, former colleagues they were ignored in the discussion on which direction to take the military? >> i can tell you that is probab

rumsfeld wanted to do it with half or less. it worked for the march to baghdad. >> they say the whole war will cost $60 billion. let me show you a slide we have, because of the war up until now. this is according to the congressional research service that works for capitol hill. >> 800 something billion for iraq, $557 billion for afghanistan. this has none of the future cost and the health care standpoint. there is a lot of stuff not in those figures. how did we get from $60 billion as a promise to now $1.40 trillion? >> shortsighted thinking. when the top of the invasion of iraq started in late 2002, i was touring as support of my second novel. i was doing a lot of television appearances. when i was talking about afghanistan, they were talking about iraq. when i left iraq in 1998, there is no imminent threat. we knew where every republican guard was. above the 33rd parallel. there is not a threat. it seemed a little bit contrived to me from my experience that all of a sudden these drums of war. this is the stuff of memoirs. it

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but even rumsfeld used to talk about that.e was talking about a smaller and elite army? what you have to have is a small and elite foreign policy. if you're still going to maintain all these bases and pretend you can do all these things and cut out the troops, i think there's a conflict there. that's why rumsfeld never got very far and panetta won't get very far, either. you have to downsize the appetite for running the world and policing the world and doing all this nation building. so it's inconsistent. i don't think he can do it. >> you're in maine today. most of your rivals are in miami or elsewhere in florida. you just told the audience in maine you're there because of the delegates. you're in for the long haul. help me answer this one, sir. a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being yes, 1 being probably not, where do you view the likelihood of ron paul getting the republican presidential nomination? >> probably about equal to the other candidates in the race. i mean, there were nine of us, remember? so, no, i mean, it's going to be d

>> when secretary rumsfeld made that call, it may have been the day before september 11th, everythingd. all of a sudden we were in two big land wars. now that we're out of iraq, now that afghanistan is in the winding down phase, now that you're going to see the military revamping. >> is it actually more expensive to train these elite special opps than doing special training for the masses? >> huge. s.e.a.l.s go through 30 months of training. it's a tremendous investment. >> thank you, chris. >>> we're going to talk to a former s.e.a.l. and what it's like to work in that secret military world. republican candidates are pouring, pouring money into that state. florida has always been a critical state for politics. john zarrella is looking at one woman who is monitoring all of those campaign funds. >> reporter: nancy watkins, straightforward, no nonsense. >> we do not hide these committees. >> this building is 610 in tampa florida. at any given time, nancy watkins, certified public accountant and gop consultant is handling the 100 political entities. >> i just need to sign the outside and

engaged in any sort of longer war to create democracy in afghanistan. >> rose: are you suggestg rumsfeld may have consulted y with respect to iran and sai- >> no, not iran, afghanistan. >> rose: oh, afghanistan. >> well, yes, there were a number of us. i wasn't the only one. former nional security advisers were called in and we had some discussions, and i have no illusion we had much influence but we o. to effect policy you have to be there day in and day out. you have to participate in debates. you have to review the options. you have to discuss with the president and his advers their views. it's a totally different process than being called in fair meeting or for lunch or something like that. >> rose: i'm going to take a tangent here for one second. every president complains about the bubble. does every president have all the information that they should have in making crucial decisions? >> you know, i think on the basis of my fairly extensive experience, i think basically the information they have, i'm not sure they're sficiently open to a really sustained discussion of alternative pe

. >> reporter: if that sounds familiar, donald rumsfeld said much the same thing when he was defense secretary, before 9/11 changed the world. a smaller force comes with risks since it leaves less margin for error when the unexpected hits. but joint chiefs chairman dempsey said sticking with the current strategy and the budget would be even riskier. the president pointed out with the cuts the u.s. will spend more on defense than the next ten countries combined. david martin, cbs news, the pentagon. >>> defense secretary leon panetta will be bob schieffer's guest this sunday on "face the nation" here on cbs. >>> the white house is planning a rule change that will allow some illegal immigrants to stay longer in the country. the rule change aims to limit the amount of time illegal immigrants would be separated from their relatives while they try took to obtain legal status. under the current law, a personal illegally has to return to their home country to obtain a visa. >>> the trial of former egyptian leader hosni mubarak resumes monday. yesterday, in an action that would have been unt

. >> reporter: if that sounds familiar, it's because donald rumsfeld said much the same thing when he was defense secretary, before 9/11 changed the world. a smaller force comes with risks since it leaves less margin for error when the unexpected hits. but joint chiefs chairman dempsey said sticking with the current strategy and the resulting budget deficit would be even riskier. the president pointed out that even with the cuts the u.s. will still spend more on defense than the next ten countries combined. >> reporter: david, thanks very much. one place the defense budget is increasing is in computer warfare. back in 2010 the pentagon established cyber command to wage war and defend america's computer systems. it's a top priority for the secretary of defense. we asked secretary panetta about that in an interview for "60 minutes." he was touring the middle east last month traveling on his flying command post that's rigged to conduct nuclear war if need be. but the secretary told us cyber war is one of his biggest worries. >> the reality is that there is the cyber capability to basical

guantanamo treatment well if you separate the bush administration's characterization or call maybe donald rumsfeld secretary of defense saying you know these men are the worst of the worst they get you through the hydraulic lines on the airplane on the way to go on time no just to kill americans i think a lot of people bought that narrative that all of these guys were the worst of the worst there were a total of about seven hundred seventy five men that have been to kuantan emote some point in time there are about one hundred seventy left today so more than six hundred have been released or transferred back to their country of origin or some other country most of those by the bush administration so you know if these guys are all the worst of the worst the hardened terrorists that were out to kill americans it seems strange that we would send more than six hundred of them. out of guantanamo the reason i asked is a former guantanamo detainee told me when. they seized pakistan pakistani authorities were so anxious to give the americans some numbers you know when heads that they couldn't care less abo

>> to donald rums rumsfeld. >> and that makes -- that's really the hard part. >> in the persian gulf, that's next. you are watching this closed >>> when the united states last month imposed tough new sanctions that make doing business with iran's central bank illegal, washington raised the stakes in its standoff with tehran in a bid to stop the country's nuclear program. to stave off the sanctions, iran said that if it couldn't export its oil, they would close the strait of hormuz through which 20% of the world's oil passes. and on concluding 10-day navel exercise, tehran said it would one carrier just passed through the gulf and is to be replaced in the region by the carl vincent. how will washington respond and what happens if iran does try to close the strait and cut off the persian gulf? here to answer those questions is alireza naider. welcome. >> thank you. >> so let's start off, why has iran decided to so dramatically escalate the rhetoric, what does it hope to accomplish and how much is internal consumption? >> there are two things going on that the regime is very worried abou

of approving the beginning of a system -- and i believe what harvey rose described, what donald rumsfeld would describe, known unknowns. we know we are going to have to buy devices and pay $43 for the access fee, but we do not know the cost of the system. we are looking at approving a system that we do not know what will happen in the future. i would have liked to have seen that before us, just as part of what we know we are getting ourselves into. now i am looking at approving this site access and use the green based -- agreement based on this could be a good system for the city, but we do not know over all what we're getting into, in terms of our overall commitment in purchasing devices, what the cost will be. i have to weigh, knowing that we do not have the full picture, whether or not we are going to vote for this. that is something that we can go to public comment on. we can have a discussion at the committee well, but i am at a little bit wary. some of the things that mr. rose has pointed out in his report gave me a little bit of pause. i do see value to what we are talking about.