so i just bought rumsfeld autobiography and sent over to. you are from illinois, he is available. got a crew cut, he's got a crew cut. you guys should get to know one another. so occasionally i will just send the book to somebody because it struck me as somebody might interest them and particularly again adam is one of a really thoughtful thinkers in congress on both sides of the aisle on national security issues and military matters. again, he deployed to combat zone so he's a guy who knows what he's talking about and i thought you would be interested in a guy like rumsfeld who had also served and have been both the youngest and oldest secretary of defense in american history. >> host: i don't know if you saw this but mr. rumsfeld wrote his most recent book is on his years in the ford white house. >> guest: i haven't. i've had to get that. i just finished chris whipple, "the gatekeepers," on the chiefs of staff of the white house and, of course, he figures very prominently. i will be interested in having a more thorough view. i actually have a picture of ford that i keep a office

rumsfeld wrote his most recent book on his years before the white house. >> i haven't. i just finished chris whipple, "the gatekeepers," of the chiefs of staff of the white house and, of course, he figures very prominently. i'll be interested in having a more thorough review. i mean, i actually have a picture of ford that it keep them in office. i campaign with him on the number of occasions and was a big admirer of his. there's a biography of them, time and chance on gerald ford. it will be interesting to get rumsfeld close-up look at president ford. >> tom cole, republican of oklahoma, as always thank you for joining us on booktv. >> enjoyed it very much, peter. thank you for having me. >> you can watch this and all of our what are you reading interviews at booktv.org using the search bar at the top of the page. now on booktv is afterwards reverend al sharpton the founder and president of the national action network offers his thoughts and activism to move america forward turkeys interviewed "washington post" columnist jat

he's still in the reserves, still flies and hereminded me of the picture i'd seen of donald rumsfeld at about the same age . square jaw, good-looking guy and so i just bought rumsfeld's autobiography and i sent it over to him. i said you're from illinois, he's from illinois, you've got a crew cut, he's got a crew cut and you guys should get together. i'll send a book to somebody occasionally because it struck me as something that might interest them and adam is one of our really thoughtful thinkers in congress on both sides of the aisle on national security issues and military matters . he deployed to combat zones so he's a guy who knows what he's talking about and i thought he'd be interested in a guy like rumsfeld who had also served and had been the youngest and oldest secretary of defense in american history >> i don't know if you saw this mister rumsfeld wrote his most recent book on his years at ford white house. >> i have to get that. i just finished chris warfel's book the gatekeepers on the chiefs of staff. and of course he figures very prominently so i'll be interested in h

i just bought rumsfeld out of bag of thorium and sent it to him. i said you were from illinois and he's from illinois. you have a crew cut and he is a crew. you two should get to know each other. it struck me as something that might interest him and particularly he's one of our very thoughtful thinkers on both sides of the island national security issues and military matters in combat zones. the guy knows what is talking about i thought he'd be very interested in a guy like rumsfeld who has also served and has been both the youngest youngest and the oldest secretary of defense in american history. .. a big admirer of his. i think salute cannon biography of him time and chance on board. it'll be be interesting to get rumsfeld sort of close up look at president ford. sue and tom call republican of oklahoma as always thanks for joining us on book tv. >> guest: thanks peter i enjoyed it thanks man. >> you can watch this at all are what are you reading interviews on booktv.org using the search bar at the top of the page. ♪ ♪'s - you are watching book tv

at about the same age as square jawed good-looking guy and i had just bought rumsfeld's biography. you are from illinois and he's from illinois, you have a crewcut and he has a crewcut guy should get to know one another. it struck me as something that might interest him and particularly adam is one of our early thoughtful thinkers in congress on both sides of the aisle on national security issues in the military and in combat zones. i thought he'd be very interested in a guy like rumsfeld has served and was both the oldest in the undersecretary defense in history. what's going on be so is that mr. rumsfeld most is -- wrote his most recent book on gerald ford. >> guest: i had just finished the book on the gatekeeper on the chiefs chiefs of staff and he figures very prominently. i would be interested in having a more thorough view of that. ask to have a picture of ford. i campaigned with him on a number of occasions and i was a great admirer of his. i think it's a lou cannon biography on gerald ford sold the interesting two have formed so get a close-up look at president ford. >> hos

he's still in the reserves, and he reminded me of the picture i've seen of don rumsfeld at about the same age. square jaw, good-looking guy so i just read what rumsfeld biography and i said you're from illinois, from illinois, you got a crew cut, he's got a group thatand you guys should get to know one another . i'll send a book to somebody struck me as something that might interest them and in particular adam is one of our really thoughtful thinkers in congress on both sides of the aisle. on national security issues and military so he was deployed to combat zones a guy who knows what he's talking about and i thought he be interested in a guy like rumsfeld who had also served and had been both the youngest and oldest secretary of defense inamerican history . >> i don't know if you saw this but mister rumsfeld wrote his most recent book about his years before the white house. >> i'll have to get that. i just finished chris whipple's book the gatekeepers on the chiefs of staff of the white house and of course he figured very prominently. i'll be interested in having a more thorough vie

rumsfeld wrote in the most recent book. tom: i just actually finished chris whipple's book, the gatekeeper on the chiefs of staff. in the white house and of course he figured very prominently. and so would be interested in having more thorough view on that. actually have a picture before that i keep around. ... ... republican of oklahoma, thanks. >> thanks for having me. >> you can watch this and all our interviews at booktv.org. using the search bar at the top of the page

i thought he would be very interested in a guy like rumsfeld who had also served.t had been put the youngest of the oldest secretary of defense in american history. >> i don't know if you saw this for mr. wrote the most recent book on the white house. tom: i haven't, i'll have to get that. actually just finished chris book, the gatekeepers on the chiefs of staff. at the white house and of course he figured very prominently. so i would be interested in having a more thorough view. i actually have a picture of ford that i keep around because i campaigned with him on a number of occasions. and i was a big admirer of his. i think lou cannon biography, about time and chance on gerald ford. that will be interesting to give rumsfeld the sort of close-up look at president ford. >> tom hall, republican of oklahoma. thank you for joining us on book tv. it. pres. donald trump: . tom:you can watch this and all s apple tv .org. using the search bar at the top of the page. you are watching book tv, on "c-span2". every weekend but the latest nonfiction books and authors. ... ...

but this was a sort of attached of sort of the rumsfeld methodology, which was to modernize the military to do transformation, which was to use way less troops and use and rely on technology. and just assume that we're going to have all these technological advances within the 1st decade of the 21st century. that didn't really come to light and then refused to learn the lessons of this war game in going into iraq, which is not a good idea in the 1st place. but if you're going to do it, use more troops than $50000.00, which is what they used in because of the sort of rumsfeld, the an ideology. they thought they could just be a lean fighting machine and, and release the entire military and don't come back and take your guns away. or we did see them later. or those of, you know, rebellious forces or what a rebel forces or whatever. but, you know, of course, when we're an invading force to begin with obliterating, you know, a 1000000 innocent civilians or whatever, you know, if you've got a feel for some rocky. yeah. think it through. right. thanks a lot and and here are your headlines from t

asou know i spent two years as chief of staff and senior military assistant to don rumsfeld.stuff is hard and complicated. it takes time to understand it. that is just but one example of the turbulence in the system at an unsettled time. katty: it just underlines that this is not the normal transition. this is not what normally happens in american transitions. let's talk more about the transition. you served a supreme allied commander at nato in 2009 22013. you understand your nato allies. -- 2009-2013. you understand your nato allies. what do you think they will do? >> this is not just me talking to my middle -- my many friends across europe, at the very repeatable polls in a wide variety of countries, donald trump does not enjoy a great deal of support in almost all of the nato countries. conversely, former vice president biden is extremely well-known and well. i will give you a practical example. vice president biden came to a dinner we were hosting for the 28 foreign ministers of nato and he walked around that table and he could talk about tiny iceland or germany and tell

and also forged auctions with rumsfeld.however, inexplicably, the case was kicked into the long grass and nothing has been heard about it since. despite the public outrage of the remaining authorities in theory, in practical basically nothing happens. the company in georgia completes monopoly on remain new software until the strict forest code was introduced by a new forest minister 2050. evidently, i don't know if all 3 are that point. i mean, it's also not of the policy if you can get to neutral field of feeding myself, but the benefit of them i want that raises the volume of their muscling. gnostics brought that on while with them with a college, you know, well not the one minister or interim. the guardian must live, but ari over also evil to be of the 2 goals that is, the 1000000 are there. what about the minister also brought in a raft of measures in an attempt to close down the trade in illicit timber, which she says incurred the wrath of the forest. my fear on her cousin is that there's a political cause, a few schem

remember this started way way back you know during the bush administration and dick cheney and donald rumsfeld and all of them said hey rather than spend money on our own u.s. military we can make deals with the military defense industry corporations and start having contractors do all the work centrally mercenaries and you're absolutely correct and these contractors do a variety of things for the military some of them are data intelligence some of them are analysts some are you know working in tech and influencing social media and things like that others are involved in some of the higher level operations and some of the most dangerous dellums across the middle east and other areas and mind you many of these people over 80 percent are folks who have served the military have had long and steady careers in the military and now they're serving in this element but they have no the protections they did while they were enlisted members know and this is one of those sad moments that you see where you see guys be of left out to dry i mean it's one thing when you see you know mercenaries and contracto

. >> uni were it the pentagon together one of rumsfeld's rules when it came to intelligence the absenceence is not the evidence of absence of the absence of evidence doesn't mean there is no nuclear program and the absence of evidence says there was voter fraud doesn't mean the. machine in nevada and the democratic machine in philadelphia were doing things that were not various but the problem is the absence of evidence doesn't win in court. at some point president trump's going to do except the results and not leave the impression with voters that he is. >> another rumsfeld term we haven't no none had that as we project that joe biden will be the president-elect and kamala harris vice president-elect. thank you all tonight. this wraps up our coverage and what has started as election night ending with election week saturday night. it's been a pleasure. we will try monday and see what that brings. >> yes brunette pleasure brett. toys good to be with you and for everything watching throughout the course of this week we thank you for joining us. we have continuing coverage was shannon brea

using that at this point they're committed because at this point for them to turn against donald rumsfeld if they are doing and they can sadly of american voters vote for donald trump that is the proportionality is there i mean don't half of registered voters and this is an important other important distinction so it's not half of the nation we have unfortunately i think still many undecided voters perhaps you know tens of millions of undecided voters and a number of disenfranchised voters as well so. yes half of registered voters perhaps many vote just say i think to be fair joe a lot of these problems were also there before the era of donald trump you know they were just sort of swept under the rug by both republicans and democrats and that's kind of the reason we have dollar trump as well he he you know he campaigned in 2016 as an anti-establishment candidate and it's true you would think that considering where we are right now that. it would be toast for having on election day but obviously there are enough people who think said donald trump is the right person to change things that a

it'll be be interesting to get rumsfeld sort of close up look at president ford. sue and tom call republican of oklahoma as always thanks for joining us on book tv. >> guest: thanks peter i enjoyed it thanks man. >> you can watch this at all are what are you reading interviews on booktv.org using the search bar at the top of the page. ♪ ♪'s - you are watching book tv on c-span2. every weekend with the latest nonfiction books and authors. cspan2, created by america's cable television company as a public service. and brought to you today by your television provider. ♪ ♪ >> welcome back to our centennial speaker series. thank you for joining us for today it's event featuring doctor shen that garrett scotch. if this is your first time joining us my name is donna and i have the honor of the school of business. 2020 marks a very special year for the gabelli school. it is our hundred anniversary and we are celebrating 100 years of purpose driven bridge while business education. since our inception we believed in the power of partnership to inform and lead change. i would

so my question to both of you with the former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld is that quaint to have to get over it to get over the governing idea? >>. >> it is unique to have this conssus requirement in vienna but i has word and that is the organization and the world with a record of accomplishments. i would argue that bureaucracy in vienna leads to inefficienciesithin the osce is created in vienna that have to do with the connections to the capitals. sot there is a question and how it operates like to see something short consensus with administrative decisions made to operate more effectively cause we have seen in the united statesun sete by unanimous consent one senator can hold up the whole process for a longti time. so it's time to look at ways we can make the organization more efficient but i would not throughout the consensus process. by the way the united states is a defender of the connsus to recognize we e across the ocean to hear the voice can be heard but to look at reforms within the process to operate more efficiently than it does today. >> let me. - - echo the key

bush, 43, won the election, the first thing i did was call his designated secretary of defense, don rumsfeldd i said, don, here are the ten things i think you really have to look at when you come into this office, i'll sit down and go over it. i made a list and it came out to 59. and i sat down with him for two days going over the 59 items that they really had to be concerned about. and that's traditional. that's what a democracy is supposed to be about, that you want your successor to be in a position to protect and defend the interests of the american people. and when you stop doing that, when you throw monkey wrenches in, when you stop communicating and say i'm not going to help them, i'm not going to inform them, you're putting our nation at risk. this is totally contrary to the duty and the oath of the president of the united states and all who serve him took, to protect and defend the american people. when you don't help the incoming administration protect the country, then you have failed in your duty. you have really failed royally, if i can use the word "royal," because the presiden

as donald rumsfeld, george w. bush's defense secretary, who served in the ford administration, later recalled, those of us close enough to observe it ourselves could see how tormented ford was by the decision. and when he finally made it, it caught many of us by surprise. it was a surprise because ford's pardon came on a sunday morning, september 8th, 1974. as "the times" reported, quote, government buildings were almost empty, and no one was expecting any dramatic presidential action. mr. ford attended early morning communion at st. john's episcopal church, then returned to the white house to make the announcement. >> and i have sought such guidance and searched my own conscience with special diligence to determine the right thing for me to do with respect to my predecessor in this place, richard nixon, and his loyal wife and family. theirs is an american tragedy in which we all have played a part. it could go on and on and on, or someone must write the end to it. i have concluded that only i can do that, and if

as rumsfeld recalled. those close enough to observe it ourselves could see how tormented ford was by the decision. when he finally made it, caught many of us by surprise. sunday morning, september 8th, 1974. as "times" reported, government buildings almost empty, no one expecting any dramatic presidential action. attended early morning communion at st. john's epiescopal church before the announcement. >> to determine the right thing for me to do with respect to my predecessor in this place, richard nixon. and his loyal wife and family. theirs is an american tragedy in which we all have played a part. it could go on and on and on, or someone must write the end to it. i have concluded that only i can do that, and if i can, i must. >> now, that surprise decision generated immediate backlash. on a trip to pittsburgh the following day, ford was greeted by crowds of hostile protesters outside the venue where he was due to speak. protesters held up signing excoriating him for his decision, and they booed the pres

about this firsthand because during the iraq war, her brother who's a republican, worked for don rumsfeld>> was fiercely opposed to the iraq war and, mika, how did that end up >> there was a very bad thanksgiving dinner and i would just suggest that everybody be grateful we have our health if we want to stay healthy, don't gather, and don't talk, and have a great time. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: joe, your new book, "saving freedom," is out today it's about president harry truman how did you decide to write about him. i don't know much about truman >> that's why. >> you know, truman was an extraordinary president. he's a guy that was always underestimated when fdr decided to select him in 1944 as a compromise -- they called him the second missouri compromise. his own chief of staff said, "who the hell is harry truman? well, he got elected vice president. fdr died three months later after they get sworn in. and after his first cabinet meeting, his secretary of defense came over and was like, "hey hey, come here hey. we've got something called an atomic bomb. and so harry truman had to - talk ab

it will be interesting to get rumsfeld close-up look at president ford. >> tom cole, republican of oklahoma, as always thank you for joining us on booktv. >> enjoyed it very much, peter. thank you for having me. >> you can watch this and all of our what are you reading interviews at booktv.org using the search bar at the top of the page. now on booktv is afterwards reverend al sharpton the founder and president of the national action network offers his thoughts and activism to move america forward turkeys interviewed "washington post" columnist jonathan capehart. afterwards is a a weekly interw program with relevant guest hosts anything top nonfiction authors about their latest work. all afterwards programs are available as podcasts. >> reverend sharpton i don't want to start this conversation about your book by quoting something you wrote towards the end of your book which i think it's a great jumping off point for this conversation pick you write i tell everyone the hardest job of being a preacher is to eulogize a life that someone who did nothing. my friends it is hardest to eulogize the

so my question to both of you is, to quote former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld, the concept of consensus quaint? do we have to get over it and move to some other governing idea for the osce? >> it is unique that we have this consensus requirement but it's worked over its history. ben: it is still the most effective regional organization in the world. it has a proud record of accomplishments. i would argue also that the bureaucracy in vienna leads to inefficiencies within the osce. there's bureaucracies created in vienna that have little to do with even the good connections to the capitals. so there are problems in the -- in how it operates. we would like to see something short of consensus particularly when it comes to administrative decisions being made within the osce, so it would operate more effectively because we have seen, as we have seen in the united states senate when we tried to operate by unanimous consent, one senator can hold up the whole process for a long time. yet the same problem -- and we have the same problem within the osce framework. i think it's time to lo

2006, the very first time pelosi became speaker, immediately following that election you had donald rumsfeldry next day. so in some ways, this is not terribly unorthodox. however, it is a little bit unusual because at least in that situation, for then president george w. bush would have had another two years to fill the spot. here, it's really unclear what will happen over the next few weeks. neil: it makes you wonder because the president is obviously fighting this in the courts, what happened election day, no one has won or lost, it's not been certified, he's technically right, but having got to 270 electoral votes, unless that is reversed, joe biden is seen as president-elect of the united states. this kind of move on the part of a man who, you know, has an uphill fight to stay another four years legally in office, is different, right? i'm just wondering if he were to do the same against bill barr or you know, others that have not exactly curried his favor by refusing to pursue investigations that he, donald trump, wanted. we could be entering into some murky waters here. >> well, bill ba

>> so anyway, ian worked for don rumsfeld in the middle of the iraq war, and mark and d drdr. dr.mika said it was like the boys, father, the turkey, it was all out. >> it was a politically divided household at the table together. >> you know, of course, it's funny, we used to have the sort of fights in our family, but it was whether we were going to stay up to watchmanics or waltons. there weren't as many debates in our family as yours. let's not talk politics any of us over thanksgiving dinner. >> i'll give you the advice i gave jimmy fallon, don't gather, don't talk and have a wonderful time. >> was jimmy fallon in our house last night. >> no, we did a socially distanced, we were on a show. >> one other thing, willie. yesterday afternoon, not to hold everybody here. but you guys join in. this is like our thanksgiving pre-dinner. you know, willie, and i want some advice from other people on how i should have responded to this. so i knew yesterday morning it was mika and my anniversary, and she said nothing and about 5:00 in the afternoon, i walked in and i said is today a special

two years as the senior military assistant as a three star to the secretary of defense under don rumsfeldll give you three reasons we ought to be worried. one is tactical. the secretary of defense receives an orders book and he's the one who makes the decisions to deploy units overseas. those are highly technical decisions. you can't just jump into the middle of it without doing damage to how we deploy our troops. number two, operationally at the level of theater, this is where the secretary of defense thinks about, well, should that aircraft carrier battle group go to the arabian gulf or to the south china sea. then finally, strategically. there are some pretty obvious concerns here starting with and not to get at the really dark end of the spectrum, but the nuclear codes. this is not trivial. it is complicated. you don't want to just throw somebody in to it and i'll close by saying the sec def appointee has a decent record as a colonel. he served in a couple of low level posts in the pentagon. to pull him up to be the secretary of defense on a moment's notice would be like a baseball te