you have to remember with rupert that it's all about rupert. rupert is number one, two, three and four as far as rupert is concerned. and the kids come next and everything else is a long way behind. is that what he might have said? >> he may well have said that again. i'm perfectly happy to accept it. the relationship with the australian labor party and rupert murdoch is a whole other volume as it were. i think paul's view of them was very -- was very straight forward. at the same time, i didn't really quite buy the crudeness of that. but, he did -- it sounds to me like the type of thing he would have said. >> can we move forward in time to the 29th of january. we're now in 1997. >> just before you move, this was and perfectly understandable reasons a charm offensive. you wanted the murdoch press to support the labor party. understandable reasons. and does that not come out in something else that appears mr. campbell's diaries where you've got somebody to go through the speech from a murdoch angle thought and this is page six. there was enough

this is speaking of rupert murdoch. he wished me to change our european policies.couldn't change our european policies, his papers could not, would not support our conservative government. it's not very often someone sits in front of a prime minister and says to a prime minister, i would like you to change your policy, and if you don't change your policy, my organization cannot support you. just shocking the amount of power rupert murdoch has, slash had. >> when you look at the uk, the entire media elite, political elite, evidently the police and all other sorts of public officials, were completely captive by his empire and the kind of intimidation. we talked about this as sort of an ongoing sense of being blackmailed because people were worried about the kind of coverage they were going to get. people are always worried about bad coverage but they were actually listening in to people's conversations and hearing their voice mails. the question now i think, you have all these -- there's a police investigation, there's this ongoing judicial inquiry, is what's really

>> i think both that rupert -- a strong relationship with rebekah brooks. i knew we had our work cut out to win over the "sun" yes, but i felt what we had on our side was that "sun" readers were leaving the government and dumbcoming towards us. it was going to try to get a center right pro-enterprise, pro-family small seed conservative paper back into the fold. >> and was it your understanding that the final decision would be made by rupert murdoch or at the very least it couldn't be made without his consent? >> i didn't know. obviously, he would have a big say in it, but i sensed if we could show that some readers were moving in a conservative direction, we would have a good -- a good effort a good chance of winning support. as i say, this was one of many things we tried to do. >> did mr. corson give you advice as to how best to proceed in relation to the "sun"? >> of course. he was my director of communications. so he was in charge of taking on policies and working out the best way of promoting my leadership, our policies our values what we could do for t

rupert murdoch recently said judge. to a >> is going to be a blot on my reputation for the rest of my life. >> i do not think rupert murdoch would be doing this unless he really had to. i don't think he wants to split the company a. he is under huge pressure from shareholders in america. data like the newspapers. -- they do not like the newspapers. >> they were easing the pain of the breakup for the mogul. >> rupert murdoch, making headlines yet again. still to come -- the historic handshake in northern ireland. we look back over queen elizabeth's visit 35 years ago. rescue efforts are continuing in eastern uganda following landslides that destroyed three villages and killed at least 18. the incident occurred in a district near a major tourist attraction near the kenyan border. they were moving heavy equipment into the area. been evacuated the village's. our correspondent sent us this report. >> the landslide started in the early afternoon on monday. at least two villages were hit by the landslide that flattened houses.

i did not need rupert murdoch or anyone else to tell me about that. had we had a different position, that would have been a big problem with newspapers, but we did not take that position for that reason. it was a very important part of new labor. >> the subsidiary question -- while you insisted the recognition procedure should be introduced, he insisted there should be a clause within it that specifically enabled in non-independent staff to block an application for recognition by an independent trade union >> i understand why these conspiracy theories arise, but it's not as if my position on unions was a matter of great surprise. it was a very strong belief. i think trade unions are a part of a modern democratic society, but it's interesting that there are given through the '60s and '70s, and i grew up with this argument all as they should not be subject to legal constraints. this was an interference with the democratic principles of trade unionism. i thought you could not argue that. have power and they should be subject to some form of legal framewo

because rupert murdoch will still control through super voting shares both entities. the parent news corp and any spin-off that contains all of the print. and right now, it's problematic where he is going to be when off-com-- the f.c.c. of the united kingdom-- finishes their investigation and sees what happens with the three-- the parliamentary, the judicial, and the police investigation into news corp's u.k. phone hacking. they have deemed him already an unfit and improper person to own a broadcast property. >> tom: it would make it difficult for even a reconstituted news corp to go after it. let's take a look at where the money comes from when it comes to this media conglomerate, more than half of it from cable television. films gets 17%, publishing 16%. that's the newspaper business. tv and satellite tv make up the remaining 16%. >> that's right. >> tom: for publishing, there's not much lowest for this company if it spits apart. it's not a 50-50 split. it's an 80-20 split at best. >> if that. you get some prestige trophy properties in the "times" of london and the

dear rupert. my name is john. we met a few years ago, when my friend, steve dunleavy was retiring from the "new york post." i didn't get invited to the party but managed to get in while the door keepers were distracted. i have a few suggestions how to fix our company. firstoff, let's be even more fair and balanced. when fox news came onto the scene it pierced through the veil of bias that blanketed most of television news. in other words, it was ah. you thumb your nose at all the right people and i think you need to keep thumbing your nose. many of the anchors and producers of broadcasting news programs existed within a happy consensus that had high aspirations for what america could become but a leo pin of what america actually was. secondly, hey, remember that show with donald sutherland's kid? there was a time when fox was the dominant provider of drama on television. everyone watched "24." what happened? has it really become impossible for fox to compete in drama? why surrender this ground to amc, show-time, h

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fisher is described as rupert's senior man in london. is that right or not? this is september, 1994. >> i think so. i think he -- i remember him being there for -- i think for a reasonably short time, actually. but i certainly remember him, yeah. >> mr. neil says that he had been lobbying the labor party on news international's behalf onnish issue as cross media ownership and sky tv's control of satellite scrambling systems. did you know about that? >> i don't recall specifically being told about it, but i had known what that position was certainly on media ownership. and most particularly, the issue that i do remember they were very strong on was recognition of tribunals given what has happened in the past is not surprising. >> according to mr. neal, this is gus fisher, had also struck up a relationship with you. >> mrs. gus fisher. i'm sorry, i don't recall that one. >> no, gus. >> it's mr. fisher. >> sorry? >> it's mr. fisher. >> mr. fisher. i thought you said mrs. fisher. >> no. >> okay. >> i think relationship is just in the sense >> it's a very loose fr

and he claims gordon brown actually declared war on rupert murdoch's media empire. now, that is a story which gordon brown denies, but it's obviously an area where the lawyer who cross questioned mr. brown will want to probe him on. >> and also, naomi, we are going to hear from george osborne. this is going to be interesting in terms of his links with the culture secretary here and the bskyb bid. quite a lot of detail, but george osborne is interesting. he's seen as someone who doesn't come out in public unless he really needs to. >> that's right. george osborne is not only chancellor, but also the government strategist. he does have a finger in many of the pies of government, and his name and text messages have arisen during this inquiry to do with that bskyb bid, which is now proving to be a very controversial area for this inquiry. original originally george osborne wasn't intending to give evidence to this inquiry, but precisely because his name keeps cropping up, they've actually decided to call him. so this afternoon, he, too, will be giving testimony as to wh

summit or the down trades, remember what rupert murdoch floated today. think how much money was made today by leaking news of a breakup. and remember, many, more companies as diverse as ebay, proctor and gamble and john & johnson or jack in the box were mad as hell and didn't wbt to take that euro market trash anymore. keith? >> caller: hi, boo-yah. i heard that newscorp company is going to split. what effect will that have on the media industry? should i keep newscorp or dump it? >> you want to keep newscorp. any company that has a fast growing business in tt media under the same roof as a slow one that's been con stain strained by all the nonsense constrained by europe, i think is going to see what murdoch is doing and take action. there aren't that many companies that have the flexibility as murdoch. let's go to connor in louisiana. >> caller: boo-yah, jim, from new orleans. >> nice to have you on the show. >> caller: thank you. linkedin, 106 urks almost back to the ipo heyday. i'm wondering if it's a good time to short it. i wanted to see how microso

on the 19th of december, december with -- general rupert murdoch and rebekah brooks. -- dinner with rupert murdoch and rebekah brooks. a pre-christmas celebration. can you remember whether political matters may have been discussed on that occasion? >> i am sure political matters were discussed because they normally work. i don't remember any improper conversation are in a conversation about the commercial interests of news corp. or news international. call think it was a general discussion about the political situation in britain as we were heading into a general election year and indeed, the economic situation with the rest of the world. normally when rupert murdoch was at one of these events, the conversation was about the global economy. at the time we were brought in the middle of the financial crisis. -- right in the middle of the financial crisis progress on the 21st of january, on the 28th- 30th of january, the world economic forum, is that right? >> yes. >> many people have suggested that there was a private meeting with news international executives that you attended. is that corr

rupert murdochs. mr. james murdoch 15 and for rebekah brooks 19. in relation to her does that cover all social interactions or not? >> this is for the period when i was in opposition? >> the short answer, it might not. what wep did did go back over the diaries for the time i was leader of opposition. try and work out if we missed anything out but it doesn't always include -- for example diary count captured my decisions. there could be other meetings in there i haven't identified. going through other participant meetings we found some that didn't tally with us. we've been through and tried to reconcile as much as possible. i mean government is different because certainly in the office you have a diary -- john major explained this. a diary of what you want to do and a diary of what you actually do. in the office opposition was our best attempt but made gaps. >> it's going to lead to others if so karng the. mr. murdoch's list doesn't quite match yours but quite frankly an area of comparison in our view which we're just going to leave it there. >> it'

so i didn't need rupert murdoch or anyone else to tell me about that. now, it's true, had we had a different position, i think that would have been a big problem with their newspaper, but we didn't take the position for that reach. it was a position i believed in. it was for me a very, very important part of new labor. >> the subsidiary question i've been asked to put, was it not part of this agreement that whilst you insisted that a statutory recognition procedure should be introduced, he insisted, that's mr. murdoch, there should be a clause within it which specifically enabled the existence of a nonindependent staff association like nisa to block an application for recognition by an independent trade union at a news international title? >> no. i understand why these sort of conspiracy theories arise, but i mean it's not as if my position on unions and so on was a matter of great surprise. it was actually for me a very, very strong article, belief. to me trade unions are a very important part of a maude eoder democratic society but it's interesting ac

and i went on -- >> he knew that about rupert murdoch's father before you met rupert murdoch? >> we never talked about it. but when he said go find money, because doing our research, peter and i were doing research, we said this is how the story's got told because rupert murdoch was a reporter and he snuck out with all the dispatchers to london and times of london so you know we knew that. so when i went to pitch the story, told him it's col uply he never said a word and i never said a word because why would he -- i mean he had such a big empire. why would he waste his time on just a frifl husband little film that was peanuts to him, but of course, what it was, i tapped in to an honor with him. >> peter weir is the one who brought mel gibson? >> yes. he found -- he found mel gibson. he was -- had an interesting career. he was -- he's an american, born upstate new york. went to australia when he was 10. and had been in a few minor films and we saw him onstage, actually, in a play and he actually could not understand. his australian accent was so thick we sort of had to give him

i had written a letter to rupert murdoch about afghanistan.y whose son had died. and she had a lot of questions to ask about this that i was trying to help her with. but she tried to explain that they have got this tape, which of course, a tape of a conversation from diamond street to appear suddenly in some newspaper -- and she wanted to tell me that they have got this entirely lawfully and everything else had been tapped and so forth. that really was the nature of the call. i'd really -- i really didn't think there was a point in continuing with the conversation that ended. without acrimony, it was a conversation where she tried to tell me that they have got this information in appropriate ways. >> it sounds like mr. brown that you have every reason to be in great. >> when things can be difficult, you can be very common view, but it was difficult. the whole afghanistan war was being undermined by what i thought was a campaign on the part of "the sun" that was alleging that we didn't care at all about our troops. it was this distortion of fac

rupert murdoch had a good personal relationship with mr. brown, were you?out anyway that that was likely to be an impediment, if i can put it in those terms to "the sup" shifting -- "the sun" shifting sides? >> i think both that. rupert murdoch had a strong relationship with gordon brown, rebecca wade had a strong relationship with gordon brown i knew we had our work cut out to win over "the sun," but readers were leaving the government and coming towards us. our task was to try to get what i see as a center-right, pro-enterprise be, pro-family, small c conservative paper back into the fold. >> and was it your understanding that the final decision would be made by rupert murdoch or at the very least it couldn't be made without his assent? >> i didn't want really know how these decisions -- i assumed, obviously, he would have a big say in it, but i sensed that if we could show that "sun" readers were moving in a conservative direction, we would have a good, a good effort, a good chance of winning that support. but as i say, this was one of many things we wer

rupert murdoch. you put in a revised schedule quite recently, which is -- >> i did so because the cabinet office data media from asian, and i give you what information they have given me originally. now i'm giving you the information they have given me subsequently. >> we publish the revised schedule. the meeting of the fifth of october 2007, which you say didn't take place. there was, according to exhibit krm 27, mr. rupert murdoch's witness statement, there was a meeting on the sixth of october. i thought there was also a phone call on the fourth of october, and that may not be right. is meeting start on the sixth of october, so there's nothing for the fourth of october. and so, if we can deal with one point, which is loaded in evidence, relates to the snap election to do you call that come in 2007? that it was an interview pre-recorded by -- with you on saturday the sixth of october. and we know that there was dinner at chequers with mr. murdoch and his wife, and others, on the evening of the sixt

rupert murdoch, to be truthful. i do not think he was in the slightest bit interested in what i was doing. i cannot remember many meetings with him at all. i think that if there is a record of these meetings, they are few and far between. >> i am speaking more generally to the government in which you were part. do you think it was too close them was wise to mr. murdoch? -- than was wise? >> i do not think so, but i do not know. there are not many dealings with news international. they have their own views on issues of policy. they were not, in many ways they are similar to mine. >> were you according and persuading the media? includingparticularly news international? is that something that you were or that you consented to? >> not to my mind. my efforts was to persuade every media group that our efforts were serious. we were trying to rebuild and improve the education system. get more police on to the street, legislate for freedom of information. we had agendas for civil liberty issues, like gay partnerships. all of

today his own judgment is under investigation and his close links in rupert murdoch's case. let's listen. >> can i ask you this fateful question, do you agree in general on that matter? >> yes, i do. and as for phone calls, i'm not asking you to count them out, but approximately how often did you speak to her by phone including by mobile phone? >> in opposition, perhaps particularly throughout 2006, 2007. not a huge amount. i always felt when i did, i always -- it felt i was telephoning a lot less than gordon brown. >> and he's the house leader of the opposition? >> i was in contact a lot less than he was. but i can't put numbers on it. but certainly in 2006-2007, not necessarily every week. >> ok. can we move it forward to 2008-2009. was there contact by phone say on a weekly basis? >> i think as we get closer to the election and the decision of the "sun" and also the wedding and she's moved into charlie brooks' house, which is very near where i live or where we live in constituency, the level of contact went up, and we saw each other socially more. >> about how frequently?

if it does happen, which it seems like now rupert -- rupert can always change his mind but he's lostthat he's always sort of told exactly what to do in the past. so it's a real sea change for the company. >> people talk about chase kerry likely to take the media side, who would take publishing, i've seen lockland. >> that's the person rupert has in mind eventually for this division. i don't know if that's something -- last i heard lachlan had no interest in moving from australia. he was very happy there. he had a run-in with being part of his father's company and in new york and coming up against roger, but this is clearly one of the reasons why rupert would accept wanting to do this in the face of shareholder pressure. he could see this as a path for his kids to have a major role in the company. lachland, obviously james or elizabeth, not now. i'm talking from rupert perspective, not the actual perspective. this might be the thing that would make him be willing to do this. >> implications? >> it would help it be a fit and propertier owner of itself. it would distance it from this sc

and to rupert -- i can't believe i'm going to agree with rupert murdoch, but okay.t the same time that you are also, you know, decreasing size of the base of your vote by, you know, frustrating hispanics and not appealing to sort of other sectors of the country, you're in real trouble. >> let's listen to the ad that priorities usa, the super pac supporting president obama has put out today. >> out of the blue one day, with we were told to build a 30-foot stage. gathered the guy and we built that 30-foot stage, not knowing what it was for. just days later, all three shifts were told to assemble in the warehouse, a group of people walked out on that stage and told us that the plant is now closed and all of you are fired. i looked both ways, i looked at the crowd, and we all just lost our jobs. we don't have an income. mitt romney made over $100 million by shutting down our plant and devastated our lives. turns out that when we built that stage, it was like building my own coffin. and it just made me sick. >> priority usa action is responsible for the content of this a

we're sitting here with rupert murdoch. mr. murdoch, thank you for having us here today. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. the idea of splitting this company is not one that's been a foreign one. it's been around for quite some time. in fact, on the conference call today, you aalluded to a three-year process of considering it. for all the talk about it, whether it be five years ago, seven years ago, three years ago, many people thought you never wanted to do it. so why now? >> it's a very good question. frankly, i finally came to it. i've considered a lot of the pros and cons over the years. banks have been telling me, colleagues, other colleagues have been saying no. there's a lot of emotion involved. then some time ago, say a couple of months, several weeks ago, i finally reached a conclusion that it was the right thing to do, and the more i go introit, the more i study it, the more enthusiastic i am about it. >> what they'd then in your opinion? >> i think what i came convinced of is that we could manage all the units of the c

rupert murdoch had a strong relationship. could be made by rupert murdoch or at the very least be made about his consent? >> i did not know. i assumed he would have a big say in it. show moving in a conservative direction we would a good chance of winning their support. >> did he give you advise as to to proceed? >> of course. use by a director can allocations. was my director. that t -- union that he was -- you knew that he was familiar with rebekah brooks? she was friendly with tony blair. i remember some strong arguments. she would be standing up pretty for gordon brown. >> when did you sense that mrs. brooks would be disposed to supporting you? growing picture of disenchantment. was getting its act together. who thought the government was getting it wrong. >> approximately when did you think mrs. burks was on the side about six months before the shift of support? -- on the side? about six months before this it does support? i do not know. >> not even a sense of when it attacked was it ? was it months of? was it weeks? was

rupert wingfield hays, bbc news in cairo. >> this is bbc news. still ahead -- liverpool welcomes the olympic flame. >> a british soldier has been killed in afghanistan. the soldier from first battalion well esh was on foot patrol in hellmund when his patrol came under small arms fire. the family has been informed. it takes the number of british killed since operations began in 2001 to 416. a senior barster will be appointed to review allegations the metropolitan police failed to investigate police corruption into the inquiry of the murder of steven lawrence. the home office confirmed the review would take place after their own examination of the claims found no new evidence to justify them of the steven lawrence was murdered in a racist attack in 1993. the manufacturing industry in the united kingdom is shrinking at its fastest rate for three years as demand for british goods falls at home and overseas. the latest survey from the purchasing managers institute is serious blow to hopes exports will revive the economy. >> hello, this is bbc news. th

a third of their objections related to one man, but to rupert murdoch. do you remember that? >> i don't. it says from 1998 to 2001 i see down at the bottom. >> the final point in, my first few weeks as alistar campbell's deputy, so that was 1998, i was told by somebody who would know that we had assured mr. murdoch we wouldn't change policy on europe without talking to him first. was that assurance given? >> no. we never gave an assurance to mar do murdoch or anybody else that we were not going to change policy without seeking some sort of permission. that's absurd. however, having said that, if we were about to engage in a major change of policy on an issue that mattered to any particular media group, we probably would have tried to prepare the way for it. but that, again, i think is perfectly sensible and there's nothing wrong with that. you see the thing that's important to realize about this is of course you were aware that he and indeed other papers had very strong stances on issues. again i think it's important this is not simply located with the murdoch media or anybod

rupert murdoch is coming on cnbc with david faber. this is a done deal. >> what are we getting that hour. >> we should get some details on who is running what company. how it's set up. then we'll hear a little bit more about how they are playing to value to companies where they think the multiples will be. >> what will murdoch's role be. they are expected to take over the entertainment part of the business. will murdoch be -- >> he'll be overseeing both companies. that's how you have to do it. the big story this morning that everybody is talk about, dallas 9 billion, jpmorgan, "new york times" we mentioned at the top. show reporting the company could lose as much as $9 billion. that's the big headline. came out at 2:30 a.m. this morning. i want to put out a couple of caveats so people understand. the $9 billion figure and there's a sentence in the story that's important. it says the $9 billion estimate came in april. it says one april the bank generated an internal report that showed the loss worse case conditions would reach $8 to $9

. >> you knew that about rupert murdoch's father before you met rupert murdoch. >> we never talked about it. when we said go find money, peter and i said this is how the stories got told. it was reported he snuck out with all the dispatches to london and the "times" of london. when i went to pitch the story, he never said a word and never said a word. he had such a big empire, would he he waste his time on a film that was just peanuts to him. of course, what it was i tapped into an honor with him. >> peter weir is the one who brought mel gibson. >> yes. he found mel gibson. mel gibson who has had an interesting career. he was -- he's an american, born in upstate new york, went to australia when he was 10 and had done minor films. we saw him on stage actually. his australian accent was so thick that we started giving him american lessons when we did the film. you could tell them extraordinary potential. peter found him, peter was also an extraordinary director, a wonderful person to deal with. that was a one-off experience, a fabulous experience. >> did you do breaker moron. >> no, bruce

rupert winkfield hayes in cairo. >> the complicated fallout of the arab spring in cairo there. unemployment is a scourge on both sides of the atlantic and today, there were numbers to prove it. the jobless rate in the euro zone stayed at 11% in april. that is the highest level since the single currencyy was introduced. here in the united states, meanwhile, there was similarly depressing news. the unemployment rate rose last month up to 8.2%. this is the most important number in this year's presidential election. and both candidates were seizing on the issue. ♪ >> a carol scripted campaign moment -- carefully scripted campaign moment, one of thousands to come, disguising shock and disappointment that's rolling across america. mr. obama visited a factory in minnesota. talking about jobs for military veterans. and any mention of jobs today was going to be tricky. the latest figures show job creation in america way down. and the headline unemployment figure rising to 8.2%. this is not what the president deep in his re-lerks campaign needs now. >> -- re-election campaign needs now.

. >> rose: has this diminished the political power in london of rupert murdock? you're not editing yourself, are you? >> no. i think the reality is that the times, the sunday times and those titles remain incredible important. >> rose: but politicians in the parliament that you knew were intimidated. >> yes but they're intimidated by the bbc. the media is intimidating. if you get the media, if they're going to pick you up by the roots of your hair and dangling before you and -- >> rose: lives were destroyed and changed. >> that's what happens with the press, yes. the point i'm making is that i think it's much too early to say that the of news corps or news international is significantly reduced or diminished in britih politics because those titles are still there. >> rose: should it be diminished? >> look, i probably view the last remaining policy, i think actually when you look at what rupert murdock did in the uk and the state of the newspapers in the 1970's and 1980's that grim year i talked about earlier in the life of the city, i think he did a lot of good.

rupert murdock, arguably one of the greatest ceos of all time.ing this because he is my boss. but greatest ceo of all time comes on this show to talk about not only how the healthcare thing, whatever comes down, affects the company. but generous benefits, would he be inclined to continue offering those, but he is splitting the company up. big news there that could shake your idea of what media companies in the future could look like and a good bellwether for the economy. rupert murdock will be my special guest tomorrow early on, on this network, on fox business network. actually, because he owns both networks, so it's a handy thing for him. anyway, these are the interviews, rupert murdock. watch us. be there. >> greg: hello, everyone. i'm the talking tad pole greg gutfeld, with the chic, greek andrea tantaros, saltier than a margarita rim, it's bob beckel. he tradeed foul tips for stock tips, it's eric bolling. she is america's neko wafer. it's dana perino. inlove those! it's 5:00 a.m. in new york city. 3:00 a.m. in karl rove's bondage bunker. th