is oleksiy koval, a member of the board of the ukrainian association of chinese studies, and ruslan osypenko, an expert on international issues and ex-executive director of the chinese trade association i congratulate you on him, i congratulate you, so gentlemen , you both connected your activities with china well , my personal experience says that it is impossible to simply connect activities because the chinese are such a complex topic that you need to devote at least half a life if they are a whole life and that's why a-a well, in addition, you are ukrainians, like all of us, immersed in the modern ukrainian context and discourse. i want to ask you, first of all, to what extent do ukraine understand china and understand the importance understanding of china for any state, including for ukraine today well, let me start , this year we are celebrating 30 years of diplomatic relations between ukraine and china. uh, relations, yes, that is, before they were under guardianship, then they gradually disappeared, in fact, then they reappeared, then disappeared, yes, that is, and in fact, these rel