and migrate pal russ vought. russ, start with you on tariff thing. you know a thing or two about tariffs. this is like we waited so long for so little, so meek. i don't understand this, but they want to sound muscular but they are not. >> they are not, they continue to chase leadership from president trump had while in office of changing relationship with china to go after some of the structural problems we have with china, stealing our technology, them making our -- it so we can't have a fair marketplace with our firms doing business in china. this is just a half measure, this come comes way too late, if they were servicive cabinet member would go to china say there is no talk about strategic decoupling, they waited this is what they have to show. larry: joe, we -- look. we don't buy steal from china or hardly or electric vehicles, we buy solar panels, and other hand, they want to stop rare earth. but they won't let us mine for rare earth here. >> of course. larry: what does that tell you. >> biden not serious about this china trade issue at all. hi