biden, we talk about it with russ vought and kevin brady. welcome. russ vought, i bet you do you didn't know that donald trump was the big spender he created that debt. i am reading that from mya maginnes' group. i'm not -- i just will not sure how they get to what they get, i've seen others say that. try to make the case. but i look at this cbo baseline numbers that came out last yike, seemed that the debt under mr. biden has gone from 26 trillion to 50.7 trillion over next 10 years, straighten me out, really? trump was the culprit? >> no, he was not, unfortunately, i like what mya's group does but they often take static score for a number of things they don't impact the revenues that have come out of that. and you know they don't control for covid with the reality of what we were facing at the end of that administration, but the sheer reality is we're looking between 7 to 10 trillion dollars in debt and deficits that biden administration has put on this country and saddled tax payers with that, not comparable to what president trump left office wit

joining us russ vought, former omb director., former chair of the house ways and means committee. gentlemen, welcome. russ vought, i bet you didn't know this, donald trump is the guy who was the big spender and he was the guy who created all that debt. i'm reading from maya maginnis's group i'm not sure how they get to what they get. i heard other people say that as well, try to make the case but i look at the cbo baseline numbers that came out last week. seemed like the debt under mr. biden has gone up from whatever, 26 trillion to 50.7 trillion over the next 10 years. so straighten me out here, really? trump was the culprit? >> no, he wasn't and unfortunately i like what maya's group does but they often take the static score for number of these things including the tax cuts and don't impact the revenues that have come out of that and they don't control for covid when it comes to the reality of what we were facing at the end of the administration but the sheer reality of it is we're looking at between seven and $10 trillion in

russ vought, they really think we are going to come in ski and it will be day one open investigation and prosecute them. >> that which they accused everyone as of doing, they are saying, there is great irony, one of the cases pending against donald trump, the mar-a- lago case in florida, donald trump's team is made a number of motions to dismiss the indictment. one is vindictive prosecution. there is no evidence of that. no evidence that joe biden or anyone else directed that prosecution and indictment. by saying the things they're saying now that you are pointing out, donald trump ironically laying the foundation for a vindictive persecution motion to dismiss on the part of all the current people who donald trump will be going after because he's announcing his plans before election. all the statements in the plans, project 2025 and everything is will be chapter and verse in the briefs asking for the dismissal of those indictments. >> that's a great point. preet bharara, thank you. >>> coming up congressman alexandria ocasio-cortez and jamie raskin on the scandals rocking the maga su

is a former director of the office of management and budget and his name is russ vought. according to the piece, he's a potential chief of staff in a trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist who departs at the heritage foundation project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch in a trump presidency. in september 2022, before trump got indicted or entered the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying the left dragged american 28, quote, constitutional moment saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to, quote, throw up residents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last two -- 200 years. in their place he laid out plans for, quote, donald trump to deploy the military to quash civil unrest, seize control over the justice department, and this is the power to withhold congressional appropriations. is just on his first day back in office. he's not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wan

russ vought i have know you will agree, basically agree. your judgment, open border? >> absolutely. you go around the country, it is immigration, the border, inflation. i think those two issues beyond anything are things resonating with the country right now. larry: what should we do about that invasion as you put it? >> the president taking office on day one has all manner of policies he already has executed to be able to turn off the spigot and spend the flow back across the border. stephen miller as part of his team, these guys perfected those policies. it is instantaneous. then you have things that we need congress to give us the money to be able to do. increase, build more wall, but these are things, starting the largest deportation in history the president is running on. so these are things, he is taking the case to the american people. he will be ready on day one. the country will be ready for it. larry: you will be, i saw, congratulations, you will be the policy director for the republican national committee, platform committee, if

that was russ vought. he led the office of management and budget during the trump administration.nd his allies that will help the disgraced convicted ex-president turn our democracy into an autocracy basically should he return to office. what vought was talking about there was schedule f. now, schedule f is a mechanism by which he and others at project 2025 are planning to reclassify federal workers so that they can be fired at will. it is all part of trump's bigger plan to surround trump should he become president again with only people who are absolutely loyal to him and not the country. that way they could accomplish their goals. like weaponizing the department of justice, something they tried to do the first time by making this change. it would be easier to do the second time. they would use the schedule fs to conduct mass deportations of immigrants and migrants and asylum seekers and eliminate the department of education without any obstacles in their way inside the federal workforce. but as vought and other trump acolytes are strategizing, so too is the other side. new repor