thing you go back to russ wiggins who never went to college. probably the most educated man i ever met. he would give me two or three books a night to read. len downie has been here for 26 years. to say he is a son of an ohio milkmen is ridiculous. he went to ohio state and i went to harvard. those are accidents that neither one of us had anything to do with. he is going to be different from me. big deal. the paper is not going to be different. >> a constitutional convention on the first amendment were held today, what would happen? >> i don't know. the 10 commandments couldn't pass, either. i suppose the bill of rights would have trouble. that is something that -- i try to worry about things i'm going to face and things i can do something about. i don't have to get the first amendment or bill of rights passed. it is passed. >> were those men, were they extraordinary or is there something that would lead to the same -- >> they were extraordinary people. you don't see their like now. it is embarrassing to try to compare those people with the peo

thing you go back to russ wiggins who never went to college. probably the most educated man i ever met. he would give me two or three books a night to read. downie has been here for 26 years. to say he is a son of an ohio milkmen is ridiculous. he went to ohio state and i went to harvard. those are accidents that neither one of us had anything to do with. he is going to be different from me. big deal. the paper is not going to be different. >> if constitutional -- a on theutional convention first amendment were held today, what would happen? >> i don't know. the 10 amendments -- commandments couldn't pass, either. i suppose the bill of rights would have trouble. -- i tryomething that to worry about things i'm going to face and things i can do something about. i don't have to get the first amendment or bill of rights passed. it is past. >> were those men, were they extraordinary or is there something that would lead to the same -- >> they were extraordinary people. you don't see their like now. to try torrassing compare those people with the peo