. >> as guards wait for the team to comply and take a shower, officer russell anderson explains the effects of the pepper spray. >> it creates a lot of water in the eyes, mucus forms in the nose. can't breathe. shortness of breath. it just fills up with everything. it's a safe, effective way for them to, you know, be restrained. there's no long-term effects. it's 99% safe. >> i spent 20 years in the united states navy. i'm retired. and this is the hardest job i've ever had. >> open your eyes. wash it in your eyes. wash up your nose. >> not everybody can stand there and preach. he's going to be a person we have in there far long time. >> he's going across the hall. he is. i mean, this is his last strike. >> the safety and security is my main priority. everything else is second. what happens with an offender like that, you have to snap it off. the other offenders will see that and start acting the same. it's like a fire. we're searching for compliance out of them. one way or another, we will get compliance. >> understanding the mood swings of juvenile offenders is one of the challenges for st

anderson. >> well, let's hope it holds. jake tapper, appreciate it. general russel honore emerged obviously as one of the heros in the days after hurricane katrina. commander of the military's response. you probably remember watching him, being calm to the city. he joins me now tonight. we spoke earlier, and i think what you said is so powerful here. i want to kind of talk about it again. this militarized showing, rifles aimed at protesters, which we have seen night after night after night, though not tonight. tear gas thrown. do you believe that escalates tensions, and antagonizes the crowd, perhaps needlessly so? >> that's my assessment. that's my judgment. and that's the doctrine that i learned in how you do crowd control, anderson. and there is a document for it. the army has a manual about that thick on how you do it. and none of it involves pointing weapons or sighting weapons on crowds or in this case, during demonstration or during civil disobedience. i think my hat's off, and again, it may be too early. but the tactics that the captain adjusted to tonight,

russell is the person who can bring order. because i think that people are over their heads. they haven't had this type of experience and anderson what he did with katrina in new orleans and the gulf. so i really think -- i called him up this morning and he says, he told me this morning that everything they are doing is wrong, and he -- i said they called you, would you come? he said he would. we need him there, we need him there, we need him there. >> we'll talk to him in the next hour on this program, but what is it you think? i remember and you were down there, down in new orleans when he arrived. i mean, he was saying to the national guard, put your guns down. >> yes. >> take your helmets off, these are not your enemy. >> we don't need snipers on top of the tanks pointing at civilians. i understand that there is tear gas and more, but you need somebody who is going to cool things down and not escalate them and i think that retired general russell -- three-star general honorary is the person that needs to be in ferguson today the. >> there is a banner outside your office, as we said, paying tribute to michael brown. a ton of