you know, five or ten years ago we may have thought that a wes anderson or david o. russell, these are people who we thought of as independent film makers, but the films they make now are studio films, they've got a lot more money behind them, they're not making films 19 days for less than a million dollars. >> my definition has always been, that's the economic definition of an independent film maker, if a film maker starts out with a story they want to tell, this is partly, i got spoiled because i started as a novelist. >> right. >> and i got to control what went into the book. >> yes. >> there was so little money in literature. >> you at least had that -- >> i had that control. that, you know, if you start with the story you want to tell and you tell that story, and you don't, for whatever reason, you know the old phrase from vietnam, we had to destroy the village in order to save it. sometimes you cast the wrong person that will ruin your movie, wouldn't be the movie you want to make, won't be the story you want to tell, if you do that, you're an independent film maker, i