you are on with russell evans. go ahead. .aller: yes looking at the transportation cost, as you pointed out, there ofmore damage -- danger calamities through large calamity -- barge calamities than through pipelines. we have been studying the impact, and wea mandating what we can and what we cannot do without congressional approval. cost is moreation to bring that out of canada through a port, sale it down, bring it to louisiana and into a refinery, yet we have some people who are trying to help people that are unemployed, yet we are taxing them severely by keeping the price of crude up instead of bringing the pipelines in which would substantially reduce the cost of oil and other byproducts and reduce the tax that people have to pay at the pump. thepolitics, to me, is villain of all of this, and the epa, people with agendas. host: russell evans? guest: there is no doubt there is a gap in transportation cost. the transportation cost gap in the role of the epa -- on the transportation cost gap, it creates opportunit

russell -- mr. evans. >> guest: is much more likely we will export refined products from the gulf coast into south america but the markets and per prices will remain linked. i don't think we envision cutting off the crude oil exports. when we talk about energy independence. klesko our energy in cushing oklahoma. 300 storage tanks and he can see the google image right there from so-called tank farms and their 13 companies that operate those in cushing oklahoma. joe is an independent from there. i met joe, you are on the air. cocoa good morning. how are you all this morning? >> host: good morning. >> guest: at the 20-inch pipeline that runs across my property. i flipped out here for over 20 years and i've never had a problem -- i have lived out here for over 20 years and i've never had a problem with pipelines leaking or anything. what i want to say is their biggest problem is they are regulating to death the refineries. if you try to build a refinery give to deal with the epa and the regulations are so str

you are on with russell evans. go ahead. .aller: yes looking at the transportation cost, as you pointed out, there ofmore damage -- danger calamities through large calamity -- barge calamities than through pipelines. we have been studying the impact, and wea mandating what we can and what we cannot do without congressional approval. cost is moreation to bring that out of canada through a port, sale it down, bring it to louisiana and into a refinery, yet we have some people who are trying to help people that are unemployed, yet we are taxing them severely by keeping the price of crude up instead of bringing the pipelines in which would substantially reduce the cost of oil and other byproducts and reduce the tax that people have to pay at the pump. thepolitics, to me, is villain of all of this, and the epa, people with agendas. host: russell evans? guest: there is no doubt there is a gap in transportation cost. the transportation cost gap in the role of the epa -- on the transportation cost gap, it creates opportunit

. >> our next guest here coming up from enbridge's terminal is russell evans with the oklahoma city university'sschool of business. we're going to be talking to him about the role cushing has played throughout its history in the oil industry and the overall energy sector as well. but first, here's president obama from last week. he was pitching the u.s. economy to foreign investors and he highlighted the energy sector of the u.s. economy as one of the bright spots. >> we have pursued an all of the above energy strategy and we are producing more traditional energy, more renewable energy than ever before, more natural gas than anyone in the world, and we have cut our carbon pollution in the process. so while the case for doing business with america has always been strong, we've made it stronger. and of course you will find no better workers than american workers. our productivity is rising. we have the world's best universities. its most innovative entrepreneurs. we have the strongest intellectual property protections to go along with a rule of law that matches up with anyone. and, thanks in part