but for cellmates, russell johnson and christopher reid, for instance, it's hard time. >> it's certainays you conduct yourself in here, too, you know what i'm saying? >> let's say for instance someone wanted -- >> somebody wanted to talk to him, you know what i'm saying, we got -- i've got to sit down. you know what i'm saying? >> or i might have to come up like this. or he can just turn to his side right here and walk this way. >> yeah. this is how you do it. you do your back that way. this is the real deal. you know what i'm saying? it really is. >> just how each inmate survives the extraordinary time they spend in these tiny spaces is as individual as the inmate. >> as you see we keep our home neat and clean. cleanliness is next to godliness. >> salen lee is a third termer about to be paroled. lately he's been teaching his cellmate the benefit of his experience, and he'll need it. he's got a 12-year sentence in which to practice. >> this is what i do. take my t-shirt. grab my bar of soap. dip it in the toilet because i keep my toilet fresh and clean. hold my hand here. when the toil

meeting in which russell declared he could probably get the civil rights act of '64 passed, but would do so at the risk of losing the southern states and losing the 1964 election. johnsondly pay it. >> you go down the list. harry bird, robby bird. irvin, fulbright. russell long. these guys are powerful guys. thurman. all these southern democrats were all against him and they were the power houses of capitol hill and they were all seggies. they were all segregationists. >> right. he had to reach across to get this done. he did so ever adeptly. this great phone conversation in the book, he said i was just in illinois, jour home state, the land of lincoln. you're worthy of being in the land of lincoln. i'm going to make sure if you support this bill, you will get proper credit. when he signed the bill into law, he gave the first pen to everet. >> medicare is another one of those issues that the democrats especially pushing force since the new deal. how did he get that through. that was a tougher one. huh did he do that? >> one of the ways he did it is by out flanking the american medical association. he did so by calling the ama to the white house. the head of the ama has

called him to the white house and russell declared he could probably get the civil rights act of 64 passed, but he would do so at the risk of losing the southern states. johnsons the price for the bill, i will pay it." >> and the list of names, harry bird, robert bird, holland, johnston, jordan, long, sparkman, therman, they were all against him, and they were the powerhouses of capitol hill and they were all segregationist. >> it's interesting. he had to reach across the aisle as you mentioned to get it done. and he did so with the senate minority leader at the time. and there was a great conversation in the book where he says to dirkson, and you are worthy. if you support this bill you will get proper credit. when he signed the bill into law, he gave the pen first to him. >>> medicare was another issue that they had been pushing for since the new deal, how did he get that through? which everybody lives on now that is over the age of 65. >> one of the ways was by outflanking the american medical association. they have a meeting with him, and they know he is opposed, and they ask if he is willing to send doctors to vietnam to attend to the population. immedia

russell. and he's talking to a friend and mentor of him. he's a fierce opponent of the civil rights act of 1964. and johnson run over him in order to get the bill passed. and they have a very tense meeting in the oval office. and russell says, you know, you can pass this act. you have the legislative muster to do it. kennedy didn't, but you do. but i will warn you that you'll lose the democratic party to the south and you'll lose the election of 1964. and what happened is he did lose the party but won the election. and johnson said, look, i can deal with that. i can handle that. i'll pay any price, but we need to have this bill. and he got it. and that's political courage we simply don't see today. >> i first want to put in a plug for the lbj library and museum. it's an incredible institution, with all due respect to other presidential libraries. haleprin and i were down in austin. these guys really have it going on down there. congratulations on the book. and congratulations on the book. it's a fantastic institution. in the book you delve into johnson's phone calls a lot and you look -- you give a reflecti