we got to get, you know, russell kirk warned about this 20 years ago. berk worned about it in 1798. we have to do something about it. he wrote a long memo to his neighbor and close friend who was the president of the american u.s. chamber of commerce, and in it, he said, he pointed, points out to ralph nader and rachel carson, as i recall, the american spirit of the times, the american population, we're losing them, going off, going radical. business has historically not been involved in politics, which was true. we've got to get in the game. if we don't, we have people like ralph nader telling us what to do, and that won't be a good thing. how do we do? first, we have to control public opinion, create think tanks. who will constantly turn out papers reflecting our point of view so our point of view is out there in the market place competing with nader and rachel carson. secondly, we have to get some control of the media, whether it's by buying it or influencing it. third, we need to get our people in the schools. we need to be teaching in the schools, influencing the textbooks, hav

to people like russell kirk and barry goldwater and william f. buckley to say you know if that middle class gets too big too fast it's going to destabilize the country and a destabilized country is not a good thing i mean this is just a basic tenet of the conservative worldview it's not good or bad it's just you know way in buckley said a conservative is a man of stands athwart but the arc of history of this hand showed in stop and it's true it's true so so you had the liberals who were seeing all this change in the kind of thomas jefferson thomas paine fashion and saw thought as a wonderful thing and conservatives who were saying wait a minute if the middle class is too big this could be dangerous this is in the fifty's fifty one fifty two russell kirk wrote a book called the conservative mind that lays this all out predicts this fast forward to the seventy's and now it's actually happening women are demanding rights in the workplace you know the whole bra burning movement ms magazine was published in seventy one african-americans are saying hey

to people like russell kirk and barry goldwater and william f. buckley to say you know if that middle class gets too big too fast it's going to destabilize the country and a destabilized country is not a good thing i mean this is just a basic turn. the conservative world view it's not good or bad it's just you know william buckley said a conservative is a man of stands athwart the arc of history of this hand shouting stop and it's true it's true so so you had the liberals who were seeing all this change in the kind of thomas jefferson thomas mayne fashion and saw thought as wonderful thing and conservatives who are saying wait a minute if the middle class is too big this could be dangerous this is in the fifty's one hundred fifty one fifty two russell kirk wrote a book called the conservative mind that lays this all out predicts this fast forward to the seventy's and now it's actually happening women are demanding rights in the workplace you know the whole bra burning movement ms magazine was published in seventy one african-americans are saying

to people like russell kirk and barry goldwater and william f. buckley to say you know if that middle class gets too big too fast it's going to destabilize the country and a destabilized country is not a good thing i mean this is just a basic tenet of the conservative world view it's not good or bad it's just you know when buckley said a conservative is a man and stands athwart the arc of history of this hand shouting stop and it's true it's true so so you had the liberals who were seeing all this change in the kind of thomas jefferson thomas mayne fashion and so i thought it is wonderful thing and conservatives who are saying wait a minute if the middle class is too big this could be dangerous this is in the fifty's one hundred fifty one fifty two russell kirk wrote a book called the conservative mind that lays this all out predicts this fast forward to the seventy's and now it's actually happening women are demanding rights in the workplace you know the whole bra burning movement ms magazine was published in seventy one african-americans are sa

if you go back and study the russell kirk's and the william f. but lee's conservative means are not as extreme as some of the things that conservatives have been doing to win at all cost. so in when her view we think the political views need to think about conservative means as the end. they may not wind every round doing that but it seems to us that it will make their message more consistent in the long-haul and then secondly it seems like again this basic message of liberty. that conservatives have to find a way to make that resonate. first of all liberty is not an extreme message but at the end of the day we acknowledge that the message of progressivism is sometimes friendlier if you will than the conservative message. william f. buckley said conservatives are people who stand at the -- yelling stop. i mentioned earlier i worked for senator bob dole and he was called senator gridlock. when asked about it he would say there are a lot of bad ideas in washington and somebody needs to stop them. that was his idea of conservatism. he said at least

russell kirk, a great conservative political philosopher, william f. buckley in the 1950's, "national review" magazine was launched during the 50's and so the conventional wisdom is that where you find the beginning of the modern conservatism and then m. atty shlaes -- amity shlaes road we go further to the 1920's because really calvin coolidge was the beginning of the modern american conservatism and i saw her a week or so ago and said you have launched a coolidge is cool movement and i said that probably wasn't easy to do because you see the cover of the book and it isn't really a 21st century kind of guy. but we think the place to go is to the 1930's because in our view, modern american conservatism is a essentially a response to the new deal of the 1930's, to franklin roosevelt. and to ask the conservative response in the 1930's was the beginning of the modern american conservatism and that response initially actually came from former president herbert hoover. lots of people debate how conservative he was as a president and as a secretary of commer

came to a head in the seventy's and lewis powell crystallized in that memo where he said you know russell kirk was right nine hundred fifty one this middle class has gotten too big these people are demanding things and on top of that then you had you had ralph nader unsafe at any speed nine hundred sixty five you had in sixty three sixty seven sixty five you had rolled our eyes you know as well and spring i was going to need ten business a unity was under attack and they said we've got to stop this and so thirty years or reaganomics has done that but i just miss embodied the middle if i sell where to you i swear to you i've been in these republican i've been republican meetings like i worked for president reagan when i was in high school in one nine hundred eighty to get elected i've been going to these meetings might my whole adult consciousness has been from defending nixon to the moment i'm sitting here with you today and i have never once in a republican meeting or conservative meeting or publication anywhere has anyone said this to me i have never heard it as to my argument as will produc

horrified by this this is a corporatist agenda and not a conservative this doesn't comport with russell kirk or even you know cirebon burke i mean it is now time for us to change our language and start calling this what it is if you're i mean it's i always say it's corporate special interests that dominate this organization they were. legislation but you're right it's that made dating service between those corporate special interests and these generally conservative legislators although not under the definition that we've always known a conservative to mean but that seems to be were they able to marry them and then have them introduce this legislation often not again at their constituents best interest but just for these special interest best interests then we probably should have a different dialogue about how we talk about congress mark ok thanks so much for being absolutely think you to appreciate it it's always a pleasure. health care dodd gob is finally working like it's supposed to so why doesn't anybody talking about the real reason the website was so good that and more and. more righ

horrified by this this is a corporatist agenda and not a conservative this doesn't comport with russell kirk or even you know cirebon burke i mean it is now time for us to change our language and start calling this what it is it your i mean it's i always say it's corporate special interests that dominate this organization. they write the legislation but you're right it's that made dating service between those corporate special interests and these generally conservative legislators although not under the definition that we've always known a conservative to mean but that seems to be were they able to marry them and then have them introduce this legislation often not again at their constituents best interest but just for these special interest best interests then we probably should have a different dialogue about how we talk about congress mark ok thanks so much for being absolutely think you to appreciate it it's always a pleasure. to meet up health care dodd gob is finally working like it's supposed to so why doesn't anybody talking about the real reason the website was so good that and more

may relate temperamentally more than payne and burke and be offended by the fact that burke like russell kirkley said you take the world as you find it and you try to make it better. >> it's very true. one of the arguments of the book. it's an argument in book two, conservetism has to be conservative. it has to be temperamentally conservative to take the world as you find it and try to build on what works. conservatism amounts to making your society more and more like its best self rather than thinking you can start from scratch in the abstract and apply pure principal directly to politics. >> pete weiner said some wonderful things about the book. i thought it was fascinating. william f. buckley who at the beginning of the iraq war supported it. by the end, in his mea culpa interview said we thought we were going to remake an entire region hand the ended up not being realistic at all, therefore, it ended up not being conservative at all. we republicans have not acted in the tradition have we over the past 12, 13 years? >> well, it's certainly been a members. i think the failures republicans c

. >> i'm a conservative who has read my russell kirk and my berke. moon every time. you take steps in the right direction. that's the kind of offense we're playing here. we knew if we required that the other person violates their core principles, we'll get nowhere. that's why all the grand bargain talks go nowhere. we decided to focus on where is that common ground. and i wanted to take a step in the right direction even though i couldn't get my budget passed. the budget in the house, reforms the tax code, doesn't raise taxes, that's what we want. that's our ultimate goal. this is a small but modest step in the right direction. but in this day in age broken governments, by think it's pretty good. adds certainties, gets the government functioning at the basic levels. we don't raise taxes, we go over to the auto pilot side of government spending. permanent spending cuts to pay for temporary sequester relief. 92% of the sequester is left intact here. what we're saying is to prevent this impasse, a lot of our members don't like a lot of these military cu