. >> i think the discussion reminds me of russell kirk's comment that piety dives on payment.i didn't used to think that in brooklyn and chicago gold but maybe it's true. i've been looking at some studies in 19th century and the 20th century of contacts of primitive tribes with modernity and as soon as they contacted everybody sort of falls apart into drinking, alcoholism. not working. all very isolated tribes. that's why now when they find them in arizona new guinea ditto just go in with tv sets. is the pace modernity making us all like the primitive tribes so that keeps coming so that we have the same futures shock even though we are modern? >> jamie vance has a passage, a very brief passage where he talks about his ancestors from jackson county kentucky and then how there is no privacy. there somebody always showing up. a sister-in-law telling you how to parent. they get on the hillbilly highway they call it and go up to the suburb gritted suburb where everybody has a house and the yard and offense and he says it was a world completely different yet the same. it was differe