that's our focus. >> warner: russell miller, turning to you.ank had offered a rationale for this pay. what was the rationale and did it relate to some of the issues that miss simpson just raised? >> yes, thank you. it doeselate. theirst thing i think it's important to recognize is citigroup like many, and most companies now in the current environment with the shareholder vote, are certainly aiming to design their pay programs so that the payouts for c.e.o.s and other members of management correspond with the underlying performance of the company. and that was exactly citigroup's rationale in this case as well. their point of view as described in their proxy was that they believe that citigroup had strong performance for 2011 and even more importantly they belie ty've established a strong foundation for continued growth of the company. >> warner: they also pointed out that at least in terms of salary mr. pandit took just a dollar a year in 2009 and 2010. didn't they make a point of that? >> they recognized that his basalry was a dollar a year in

steven miller of service and enforcement at the internal revenue service, miss nina olson, national taxpayer advocate, j. russell george, treasury inspector general and mr. james white, director of strategic issues at the u.s. government accountability office. we thank you for being here. we've had a chance to review your written testimony and appreciate you submitting that ahead of time. it allows me to go through, i'm famous for my blue marker and making notes of things to get to. we appreciate that in advance and welcome your testimony today. if we can try to stay to about the 5-minute window and that will hopefully allow us to get through your opening statements before running to the floor for votes and coming back for questions. commissioner miller if you would like to begin. i apologize. if i could ask all four of you to stand pursuant to committee rules i need to swear you in. if you could stand and raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give this committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. thank you. you may be seated. let the rec

steven miller, deputy commissioner of service and enforcement at the internal ref newspaper services, miss nina olson, taxpayer advocate, russell george, deputies inspector general for tax administration and james white, director of strategic issues at the united states government accountability office. we have had a chance to review your written testimony and appreciate your submitting that ahead of time. it allows me to go through and i'm famous for my blue marker and making notes on things i want to try to get to in the time we'll have. we do appreciate having that in advance and we welcome your testimony today. if we can try to stay to about the five-minute window and that hopefully will allow us to get through all of your opening statements before running to the floor for votes and coming back for questions. if could i ask all four of you to stand pursuant to our committee rules, i need to swear you in. if you could stand and raise your right hand. do you solemnly squawear or aff the testimony you are will to give this committee will the truth and nothing but the truth? let the record show all witnesses have affirmed. you

questions to irs officials including steven miller, the deputy commissioner, nina olsen, the national taxpayer advocate on the washington journal this past week and russell george, the inspector general at the treasury department. this took place at the oversight and government reform committee looking at the tax gap. >> mr. george, you talked about i think you said a $450 billion tax gap. >> gross, yes. >> that's this year. >> that's what the for 2006. >> 2006. and it is growing. >> yes, it is, and i believe it is a low ball figure and, again, part of the earlier discussion indicated on going review, and it doesn't include aspects such as the international tax gap. >> understood. do you think there could be some relationship between that growing gap and the fact that we've had a 20% reduction since 1995 in revenue offices or revenue agents? >> there is no question that if the irs had additional resources they would be able to collect additional tax receipts. >> just for the sake of argument, $450 billion in money owed the government we're not collecting. that's what the tax gap is, correct. >> roughly. >> times ten is $4.5 trillion. here we are sweating

miller, deputy commissioner at the irs, ms. nina olson, national taxpayer advocate, the honorable george russell, inspector for tax administrationand james white, director of strategic issues. we think each of you for being here. we have had a chance to review your testimony, and we appreciate you spending that. it allows me to go through and make a note of things i want to get to during the time we have. we do appreciate having that in advance. if we could try to state to a five minute window, that would be great. and then we will come back for questions. commissioner miller, if you'd like to begin. i apologize. if i could ask all four of you to stand, i need to swear you in. if you could stand and raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear and affirm that this testimony that you are giving this committee is the whole truth and nothing but the truth? thank you. all four witnesses have affirmed the oath. >> my name is steve miller. deputy commissioner of the revenue service. i appreciate the opportunity to testify today and update the committee on our work this season. the tax gap is the difference between the amount of tax ow

steven miller, deputy commissioner of service and enforcement at the internal revenue service. ms. nina olson, national taxpayer advocate, audible the j. russellorge, inspector general for the taxes ministration, and mr. james white, director of strategic issues at the unisys government accountability office. we thank each of you for being here. we have had a chance to review your written testimony, appreciate your submitted that at a time. it allows me to go through it, famous for my blue marker and taking notes of things i want to try to get you in the time we have dick we do appreciate having had in advance, and welcome your test went today. if we can try to stay to about five minute window, and that will hopefully allow us to get to all of your opening statements before running to the floor for votes and then coming back for question. commissioner miller, if you like to begin. i apologize. if i could ask all 40 to stand, pursued her committee rules, i will swear you win. if you could stand and raise your right hand. [witnesses were sworn in] >> thank you. you may be seated and let the record reflect all four witnesses affirmed the oath. we