and russell moore sort of threw up his hands and said, what are we doing here?this is terrible for the witness of christ in our culture. and ultimately, that sort of lit the fuse, and several years later, because of a whole host of things, including his advocacy for investigating sexual misconduct in the church and arguing more forcefully for real efforts at racial reconciliation in the church, russell moore found himself on the outs and really found himself, as he described it to me, as a victim of sort of a sustained campaign of psychological warfare, people in the church really doing and saying things to him that you wouldn't see in the ugliest corners of our society, much less inside the church. and yet, here he was. so, russell moore left the southern baptist convention, and now he is sort of out on his own, spending a lot of time meeting with pastors around the country, trying to counsel them on how to navigate this incredibly tumultuous period in the church and what russell has told me over the past year, as he's been doing his thing, and i have been doin

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you talked to russell moore, a pretty prominent figure in evangelical christianity, not a big fan ofump and has paid a big price for that he said this is a very real threat, doesn't want to sound like chicken little, from feel believing there's only a two-state solution here, basically that a civil war is coming. >> luckily for you, katy, i'm always concise can with my answers. yes, you do -- russell diagnosed that properly and it lined up with everything i've seen on the ground. and by the way, even before i really dove into this reporting project over the past year, you were seeing that in all kinds of different pockets of american life but it is especially concentrated and visible inside the church. it's a very real thing. as russell said, there are people in the church lending that transcendent religious thought to the talk. >> the piece is absolutely fascinating. i encourage everybody to go read it. but scary, too. tim, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks, katy. >> next, chaotic and violent scenes at the funeral for slain a slain journalist. we'll go live for the latest. a