russell simmons will weigh in. we'll be right back. >>> a ku klux klan group in georgia is trying to clean up their image by cleaning up roads. believe it or not, i say let them go for it. the international keystone knights of the kkk filed an application last month to join georgia's adopt a highway program. they want to adopt a one mile stretch of highway 515 in north georgia. the program enlists volunteers from groups to pick up trash along the road. each group that participate gets a sign on the road with their name on it. the klan says this isn't for publicity, they just want to keep the road clean. earlier today the georgia department of transportation denied the kkk's request. the group is now threatening to sue georgia and they could be in for a long legal fight. a similar battle took place in missouri. the state tried to stop the kkk from adopting a road by taking them to court. missouri eventually lost and the signs were put up. the courts ruled the first amendment prevented the state from denying the appl

joining me is russell simmons.. >> thank you. >> look, you've talked about the painful origins of the word but you argue, quote, we were able to take a vicious racist term and make it a term of endearment. we took control of something that was used for so much hate and made it love. should everyone be allowed to use the word and, if so, if what context? >> well, if you read the blog that you're quoting, it said that unless you have a direct blood line to a slave, then you probably shouldn't use it. but i also talked about the genius in our community that took the pig feet and the chit lynns, which was given to us and turned it into a delicacy. it's the genius of black people that we're celebrating. and i think this particular incident with gwyneth is something that is innocent and it's behind us. i mean, i'm not hear to talk about that. we talked earlier about me coming on the show and we talked about the implications of our community using it. when is the first time you heard that word, michael. >> absolutely. i t

massive industrial prison complex, around here, this is russell simmons, david kennedy, ben chavez. >ld's prisoners in our country. and furthermore, if it keeps increasing at this level, like in 50 years, we're all going to be in prison if it keeps increasing at this rate. >> the growth rate predicts 100% imprisonment by when? >> like 50 years or something. >> so who cares about social security? >> cannotexactly. that's one way to solve the problem, right? put everyone in jail. >> there are 900 u.s. military bases around the world. we don't talk about that, and they are everywhere. what's your rip on this? >> my rip is that it's insane and the amount of money spent to do that. four days in afghanistan could get rid of the deficit the city of the size of detroit. that's four days. imagine what it could do for every city around the country. it's nuts, it's insane. >> again, moments of clarity here. the fed is privately owned. the owners make lots of money from it being the banks, jamie dimon and all the characters. the government is transparent a branding. i think the media doesn't talk

it goes to the funding and training of prison culture as russell simmons has said so many times whereroduced prison culture into previously healthy communities making them more toxic because we're training, it's crazy. all this is done in the name of crime deterring. you're saying that the paradigm, it's not just you, operation hope, all these groups, that the paradigm has been grossly misunderstood and misapplied. that deterrence is is critical. >> deterrence is not enforcement. enforcement is failed deterrence. it's what you do when it doesn't work and all of our conversation about deterrence is about sanctions. if you're not getting the impact we want on the street, our instikt is is to jack is sanctions up and now, we've got huge federal penalties. >> triple three strikes. >> you can replace that on a good day just with information. you don't have to do anything. >> give me an example. >> so, you know this guy's running around in the neighborhood. the federal prosecutors have a target on his back. he's the guy they most want to take off the street. normally, what we do is hide in

and you also mitigate one of the problems that russell simmons point out that right now we are training black men on prison culture and releasing them back into the community and wondering why prison culture is becoming street culture, when we are funding the collection and training of of people for prison culture, then wonder why we are getting more of it. i really respect the work you've done. i advise folks to go to the pew center, look at the body of this research as adam so eloquently shared it. thank you for sharing it with us. adam is the director of the pew center. yes, believe it or not, ladies and gentlemen, you can get less crime and less punishment if you simply learn the new way. you can't make it up. >>> next, we call on our specialist to help us get smarter about our smart phones, after this. ♪ [ male announcer ] if paula ebert had her way, she would help her child. deoxyribonucleic acid. he knew that. [ male announcer ] with everything. go! goooo! no. no no no no no. mommy's here [ male announcer ] but that kind of love is...frowned upon. so instead she gives him new cap