with china or with washed -- russia. ofhave enormously more areas cooperation with china do we had areas of conflict. we have far fewer with russia. we could talk about the reason, but the possibilities are greater. it is a good thing. it is a good thing that china and russia have better relations than they have had in a long time. that is a stabilizing factor. >> ok, great. thank you. in fact one of our colleagues has written a book about russia and the united states with respect to nuclear power. jonathan, i know you have the microphone open. >> thank you very much. i will take a couple questions from the audience. let's start by asking. we have three pretty big personalities. , russiang donald trump been vladimir putin. how did these big personalities play a role in influencing trilateral relations? >> who wants to take that? ok. i made eye contact. so, i actually think -- i will just comment on putin and trump. , as i met vladimir putin think david has. i think this matters to a significant degree. as a coldhearted so

announcer: now, russia and china experts discuss relations between china, russia, and the relevant how that is in today's world as well as the trump administration's policy china, and north korea. this is about an hour and a half. >> tonight's topic is about the triangular relations between the u.s., china, and russia, the world's great powers. we got it would be appropriate to hear president nixon's voice and views on this matter 45 years ago. the clip you are about to hear is from the next and white house .apes this is president nixon talking to his national security adviser , dr. henry kissinger in january , of 1972 just one month before the historic trip to china that february. nixon: [inaudible] >> before we start the program, i wanted to introduce a special guest in the audience today, president nixon's younger brother ed nixon. , [applause] with that, dr. stoner, the stage is yours. very much.u thank you mr. nixon for having us here. we had a wonderful tour of the library and we all enjoyed it very much. i'm going to start our discussion by picking up on the tape that jonathan p

. >> now china scholars discuss china, ation between russia and the u.s. and if relevant in today's world. administration on china, russia, this is just over 90 minutes. >> tonight' >> tonight's topic is about triangular relations between the .s., china and russia, the world's great powers. we thought it would be ppropriate to hear president nixon's voice and views on this matter 45 years ago. voice on this matter. the clip you are about years from the nixon white house tapes. this is president nixon talking to dr. henry kissinger in january of 1972 just one month before the historic trip to china that february. xon:ident ni [inaudible] >> it wanted to introduce a special guest in our audience today, president nixon's younger brother, ed nixon. [applause] , the stage isat yours. , thankk you very much you for having us here. we had a wonderful tour this afternoon at the library and we all enjoyed it very much. i'm going to start our on theion by picking up tape that jonathan played for us nixon's idea of former leading relations to counterbalance soviet pow

if you compare russia's trade with central asia to china's, you compare the levels of investment of russia and china, moscow is being eclipsed. that has been a sphere of influence. i think there will be contradictions between russia and china geopolitically in that region. nevermind the models. can it be optimistic at looking at the united states and looking at our way of government? day, thed of the systems that have evolved, supported by robust in the tuitions, and our institutions in the united states are proving to be robust, they have much than the ruleower of man. rule of law usually trumps -- maybe that was a bad choice of words. the role of law usually prevails. for the united states, we cannot in ther hit -- head sand. as we look at china, do we say that is a system that is doomed to fail? or 30 years, people have been saying that china will run out of team politically, economically. there are too many contradictions. still today, it is doing well. we look at russia or china, getting our political house in order is important. it goes beyond that as well. if i get a china, to their

china specifically. but with more regards to russia and china, this is a situation you have on your hands where they, up until this point, hadn't said that north korea was using an intercontinental ballistic missile. and that's why they had been unsteady with getting to the point of economic sanctions. so for the united states to get these two nations on board to address north korea is a big deal with should be treated as shuch. >> a couple hours ago secretary of state rex tillerson met with sergei lavrov. what's his biggest challenge since they met for the first time since the sanctions bill? >> that's a great question because it's not clear what this administration's policy toward russia is and at times there are people below the president of the united states that seem to view russia as an adversary in the way president trump does not. i think the biggest issue right now with russia, obviously, got the expulsion of the diplomats but the new russia sanctions that congress has passed and the president has signed. both president trump and the prime minister of russia have basically called congress out f

we hear tony blair talking about forty minutes thank you for it and that's where we are but russia and china have both made i think a terrible mistake and agreeing to these sanctions now russia and china both recognize that north korea is being needlessly provocative here but they also recognize that they have a very good reason for wanting a strategic deterrent with the united states massing in conducting constant war games on north korea's borders we have did that down this path before with iran at the u.s. you sanctions against iran to punish them for years russia is now being sanctioned for the third time the united states has in iraq you know this because going to these sanctions is china and russia iran north korea's borders they have to be very very careful they're just going to have one peaceful solution to the north korean crisis. that will stop provocative exercises constantly on north korea's border anybody who knows my son can sign up so he's saying and he has nuclear program i mean we're going to have security right security there and here is provide official security guarantees

secretary tillerson: this pressure campaign that the world has joined us in with the engagement of china and russia, they can begin to persuade their regime that they need to reconsider the current path they are on. have china and russia been helpful at all? secretary tillerson: i haven't spoken since we left manila, but we had great discussions about this situation. i know they were having problems as well with a representative from north korea. it is evident that they have open channels of communication, and we hope that they will be encouraging them to please stand on their program. i am hopeful that they can use their influence, i believe they do have influence with the regime, to bring them to a point of dialogue with the right expectation of what the dialogue will entail. [inaudible] secretary tillerson: nothing that i have seen would indicate that the situation has dramatically changed in the last three or four hours. [in audible] secretary tillerson: we have an active ongoing diplomatic effort , behind the scenes. conversationspen and our telephone lines remain open to china and russia as w

russia's foreign minister is working with china on a double freezing plan to prevent u.s./north korean conflict. they quote lavrov saving the u.s. should end the joint military drills because the one who is stronger and smarter must take the first step away from the dangerous line. what does that mean? >> reporter: well, this is something we have heard from russia and china many times before. every august, every april, there are joint military drills. china and russia will call for the suspension of the drills because they say the military exercises enrage pyongyang and often the months of august, we have seen missile launches and military force. you have the russian foreign minister selling this as a new plan, but something that china and russia called for many times. the united states has said, no. they say they are bound by treat dwrou work with south korea as military allies and part of working together is training together and north korea not willing to freeze their testing, either. >> will ripley in beijing. thank you for your reporting. lets's go to the pentagon. ba

plus, china and russia taking a stand against north korea and its missile program. >> when i talked tohinese ambassador, when that missile test took off, they felt it in china. it was so close to the border that the ground chuck. >> melissa: breaking in this hour of "happening now." a vacation turning deadly when a gunman opened fire in los cabos. a >> jon: jonathan hunt's live in our los angeles bureau with what's going on there. >> the mexican authorities are saying very little about this shooting and what the motive might have been. the one certainty is that it was terrifying for the many tourists on the beach. [gunfire] you can clearly hear the automatic gunfire there, three people were killed in the attack and two others wounded. their identities have not been released at this point. the shooting happened at playa paul mia, and extreme popular tourist beach in the cabo area and wonder that is surrounded by resorts, popular with american tourists. it's an area that has been largely immune to the drug related violence and parts of mexico for so long, but that is changing. the murder

it's business it's not politics who which is these sanctions the most they're going to affect russia iran china or even trump himself all of the above all of the above and more. we have left the era of even trying to trust there is a demonization of. intolerance but what about trump in office some people are saying that trump is under attack from all sides as these days are up and up in the white house is this how it's going to be for the next three years at least i hope not but i think that's what the cases look he was voted in to be someone different not to be a republican a democrat to be an american. to safeguard american interests not necessarily our interests in the persian gulf or in iceland or whatever in the u.s. this sounds i have been tied now trump was claiming throughout his campaign that he would be the deal maker here be the one calling the shots from the white house yet it seems that perhaps congress has has other ideas if you think it's going to be a frustrating time for the new american president yeah and if you look back during the obama administration it's a very similar sit

for national security advisers u.s.discuss foreign-policy, russia, china and other foreign-policy challenges. here is susan rice talking about leadership. >> all of our allies and partners need to play a commensurate role, but there's a reason why they call the united states and the state department on 911 is because there isn't a country that matches our military, economic, and moral might. isther the challenge gathering a coalition to impose sanctions on russia after they invade crimea and ukraine, whether it is rallying the world to deal with the ebola epidemic come a whether it's building a coalition to go after isis, a requires the united states to be front and center. it doesn't mean others don't contribute or shouldn't pull their weight. obviously they can and they must and they don't always do so, but when we step back, nothing seems to work and that has clearly been our collective experience. rice and other former national security advisers joining the conversation at the aspen institute. watch that conversation on c-span and also available on the free c-span radio app. >> tonight o

ainsley: how did you get china and russia coming on board. >> i think with china we basically said enough talk. we're done. you have the ability to control 90% of their trade and you can't make excuses anymore. to their credit, they stepped up. we did some heavy negotiations. we got them there russia, i think they wanted to delay it initially. i don't think that's what they wanted, but we got them there. as long as they were there, that's what matters. steve: ambassador, on the front page of foxnews.com right now there is a story that apparently the intel community has picked up antiship cruise missiles were being loaded on to a patrol boat or patrol boats in north korea. what can you tell us about that? >> i can't. i can't talk about anything that's classified. and if that's in the newspaper that's a shame. but,. steve: have you no reason to believe that's not accurate though? >> i have no reason to comment on it. ainsley: that shouldn't be in the newspaper? is that another leak i guess? >> it's one of those things i don't know what's going on. i will tell you it's incredibly dangerous w

the sounds i have been tied to these sanctions the most they're going to affect russia iran china or even trump himself all of the above all of the above and more. we have left the era of even trying to trust there's a demonization out there. intolerance as an american i find that to be incredibly. it's a tragic state of affairs. well meanwhile a new study into which country people fear the most has produced an answer some might find surprising researchers surveyed forty two thousand people across thirty eight countries were i guess day of the story. the world is a frightening place disasters wars terror and paul the team make us a fearful people but fear can be measured who would you say people are most afraid of the usual suspects. who cheney but no none of the people in the thirty eight countries that polled feel most threatened by the united states this is pew research one of the most respected pollsters in the world. it's doesn't seem that stable at the moment to us if it's a word words for the eye to understand why they perceive the united states as a threat well i guess this h

between the united states and to other great powers in the world to taunt its allies not say russia and china and in a way what the trumpet ministration is doing will be a bit of a split personality is that it's trying to see if you can cooperate with russia and china but also to see whether they will fall in line. yet so the measures that the point of them is to force north korea into ending its missile program it hasn't looked like doing that any time in the recent past or how likely is that now do you think. i think it's unlikely because. the north koreans have defied the u.n. so often if they were to back down now it would be for them a break for the regime a very dangerous situation as it would imply that it can be pressured and if you like the whole game your career is playing is to show that it can't be pushed around on the other hand what may be the case is that may be with china russia on board the north koreans can be persuaded to ranch really lower the tempo of crisis that is to say not to carry out a test in the immediate future that's to say to avoid raising. the prospect of push

and the united states or china and russia there's also another reality that we have a dangerous dangerous growth of terrorism in afghanistan under the u.s. watch and doing the u.s. traditions this needs an explanation to the afghans because we are the ones that suffer first to the region because the consequence is reached addition. and to the global object of of the war on terror someone needs to answer the united nations as to what when truong do we want extremism to grow further and turn to grow further and keep affecting everybody from simply just broke to paris to sweden to germany to. the muslim world or do we want to find a solution if the us wants to find a solution the answer is in cooperation not in treating competition or jealousy let me ask you to do more because this is a rhetorical question that i know you're often pose in your interest but are you yourself confident in the answer to that question do you think the united states genuinely wants to put an end to extremist and terrorist problem especially in central asia and the middle east well that's the

military someone said it's better to be here than love so it's an old story big bad america big bad russia china we've heard it all before what's striking here is that it isn't america's enemies that increasingly view it as a chief threat its washington's friends canadians for example now see the united states as more of a threat than either russia or china that is outright animosity within nato and among allies turkey south korea japan spain greece and germany view washington as the most threatening state in the world that's as many. seventy two percent of respondents how's that for friends in europe you have. at least some understanding of the united states behaves in the world that you do not have in the united states you have germany now of closing u.s. sanctions on russia you have the public you know this is not the german government this is the german public this is not the swedish government this is the swedish public so you have people who are opposed to war opposed to militarism opposed to nato expansion of close to us bases in germany expressing their viewpoint and that's you know not

mainland its radar has a two thousand kilometer viewing capability which means it will see into china and russia so it's really not about north korea it's about again in circling china and russia with military capability technically these missile defense systems that are key elements in u.s. for a strike attack planning in fact every year at the u.s. space command they have a annual war game a computer wargame where they practice a first strike attack on russia and china but after the u.s. launches that strike. those two countries try to fire their remaining rig nuclear retaliatory capability at the u.s. in response and it is at that point that the u.s. uses this so-called missile defense shield to try to pick off russian and chinese retaliatory capability and or the u.s. war gaming nuclear first strike and now setting in motion the in the infrastructure to make it possible. and that was bruce gagne on corner of global network against weapons and nuclear power in space well u.s. soldiers died on a combat operation in iraq but it's not clear who killed them the defense department said the two die

harris, unflinching power of diplomacy. >> harris: you know, i want to talk about the roles of russia and chinaight now. russia, and the investigation and all the focus that's been put into that here recently. they now are very critical players in this whole situation because nikki haley, our ambassador at the u.n. said thank you to china and russia for supporting the sanctions against north korea. >> and this is the reality of diplomacy and i think the american people understand it. on one hand you may call somebody an evil empire. on another hand you can call them an unfair trade partner. but, when it comes to managing a world at peace, you have to look at the major powers, which include russia and china even more so today. and you have to be able to work past your differences when it's keeping people out of an atrocious war. you know, 70 years ago, in the 1950s, 600,000 or more chinese died defending north korea. north korea could not have survived the korean war. the conflict was ended at a stalstalemate because china intervened. china is aware if they don't intervene in favor of north kore

>> i think we need to be strong with china and russia. >> laura: what about a world where china is aominant military power, how does that change the freedom calculus in this country? we should think about what that world would look like, spend more time thinking about it. patrick, great to have your own. i appreciated. this story has dominated the news today, and earlier, you are an investor nikki haley touted what she said is china stepper approach toward north korea's rogue regime. >> china, and said to the international community, we're going to follow through and we want everyone else to do it. it is a new tone coming from china. i think that with china, we basically said, enough talk, we are done, and you have the ability control 90% of their trade, and you can't make excuses anymore. to their credit, they start up, we did some heavy negotiations, we got them there. >> laura: we have a fellow at the hoover institution joining us now. great to see you, usually talk to you on the radio, how are you doing? >> very good, thank you for having me, laura. >> laura: this issue is one of

i want you to say what you have to say on russia, that i will ask you about china. >> i may provoke a little controversy on the panel. i agree with everything that has been said and all the measures condi talked about. i am no softy on russia. i have been arguing for those for the last two or three years. making and calling out what russia did in terms of our election and making sure it can never happen again by anybody. once first, shame on him. for me twice, shame on me. i am a little worried. i think we are in a dangerous pe riod with russia. i think putin has decided that americans are anti-russian. there is no constituency for u.s. russian relations in the united states. he says if you think i am an enemy, i will show you what it is like to have an enemy in russia. we are vulnerable because as much as i applaud the steps of a we have done, i don't think they are enough if putin really decides to process. we are putting battalions in the three baltic states and poland and progress. -- bucharest. battalions are 1200 people, 1500 people. russia is going to have an exercise in belaru

and russia are not calling north korea's use of an intercontinental -- intercontinental ballistic missile that. chinand russia don't think that the weapon that was used is an icbm. david: with her from the president, talking about a piece of legislation that would create a more merit-based immigration system in the u.s., under the purview of the department of homeland 30. john kelly used to head up that department. he is the new white house chief of staff. there is speculation about who might replace him. what is bloomberg -- reporting? marty: we are hearing that rick perry, who is now the energy secretary is one of the people who is being considered for homeland security. there is no sense that he is the front runner, necessarily but it is interesting that donald trump is thinking about moving him from energy: security -- energy to homeland security. david: we will be speaking with michael froman in just a bit. there could be a new investigation opened up in the that trade relationship on intellectual property. what does that mean for the relationship between the u.s. and china? kevin: it is tied di

us sanctions raise pressure on russia and china to sever north korea links. e company is america identified in russia and china and what they think is helping send materials to north korea for these missiles and it comes after heightened tensions between america and north korea. especially with china, the donald trump administration is frustrated china has not done more to control north korea and they think they can stop that china has a sway there. by forcing sanctions, in a way america is trying to force china's hand. already we have the response from china which is they expect them to be lifted. and they supported un sanctions against north korea for the recent missile tests, so they feel the action by the us is a mistake and should be reversed. president trump is right, if there is one country that can affect the behaviour of the regime in pyongyang, seemingly it is the chinese. but they have their own issues. china is concerned about their trading relationship with the states and president trump has not shied away from suggesting it potentially could be r

china voted for the u.n. security council resolution that was unanimously approved, including russia. 15-0. but there's a lot of concern, as you know, mr. ambassador that china might not deliver. do you think the chinese now, the chinese government, will deliver? will squeeze the north korean regime into slowey down at minimum, freezing its nuclear capabilities? >> well, when i as serving in beijing, china was not living to up its words. coal exports were still coming into china, and not living up to the resolution. however, i do think now that china's beginning to ratchet up its pressure on north korea, china does not want a bad result. china does not want a unified peninsula under the control of basically south korea and the u.s. they'll want to resolve in some way to take the heat off this nuclearization of the missile development, in a way that allows kim to stay in power, or a successor to stay in power and diffuse it that way. china is, frankly, getting more upset and china sees this as an opportunity to be a little more of a leader in the world. and when we backed away from the paris

. >> china -- getting china and russia to gri agree to the sancs was a success. this is now the fifth or sixth or seventh round kpening on how you count them and generally none of them served to stop north korea. kim jong-un boosting about being able to hit u.s. cities and long been able to strike seoul and troops in south korea with traditional weapons. what makes you think this is going to do it? have you thought out the dangers of a military escalation with north korea? >> we, we have, why is this got a chance? because this is the toughest sanctions package against north korea in u.n. history. the fact that through the good offices of secretary tillerson and ambassador haley and the president, we not only have the ten temporary rotating members of the security council agree but we have the five permanent members, including russia and china agree means that they are completely without -- north korea and pyongyang have painted themselves into a corner and the only option they have now if they are rational is deescalate. >> let's talk more broadly about terror st

-nuke.d like to de i would like russia, china, pakistan, many other countries that have nuclear weapons, given of them, but until such time that they do, we will be the most powerful nuclear nation on earth by far. the first order i gave to my generals, as you know, isthe fis you know, mike, i want our nuclear arsenal to be the biggest in the finest in the world. we spent a lot of money, a lot of time and a lot of effort, and it is into top ships and getting better, getting stronger -- tape-top shape, and getting better. disappears, wees will be so much better and stronger than anybody else, and nobody, including north korea, is going to be threatening us with anything. >> what have you change with the nuclear arsenal -- and the reason i ask is a lot of experts said in response to your tweets, modernizing can't be done in six months. mr. trump: we have done a lot of renovation, we have it in very good shape, and it will be in much better shape over the next six months to a year. it is a very important thing. military is very important to me, as you know. i did extremely well with the mi

between i mean there is a border with china and for russia and just imagine what interests of the west are if there is a so-called reunification of korea hostile the unification if there is a war and let's say north korea is going to collapse then the rest of the regime is going to or west of the empire is going to expand right to the border with both russia and especially with china so this took on the sort of big snow on the hitlist sort of being intimidated by the worst both china and russia the two allies . the north korea would actually be. the new. hostile power because it would become one of its kind of understood that if there is a unification of korea it would be like germany it would basically. it's of the principle stand and we saw alliances and we saw that happen with nato expansion here when let me go back to you in in washington i mean this is really the crux of it all is that you know the united states is making demands for its client state south korea but you know the united states could make a major move a good. gesture i would even say of taking out its troops what ar