well what any government whether it's russia china the u.s. or for that matter australia they have to claim against capabilities not against intentions i own personal view is that russia in particular does not pose an imminent threat simply because there is too much mutually of interest with the united states and the west to to move towards a nuclear confrontation but what you plan for if you're a military planner is not intent you plan against capability and as long as russia china iran north korea and it's for that matter india or pakistan or israel for that matter as long as these countries have nuclear weapons they have to be taken into account when planning one's own. capabilities and defenses whether it's to defend against incoming ballistic missiles or nuclear weapons or whether to. project dominance and then i think if anything this highlights the need for dialogue and communication as a key amongst all these superpowers gregory kokanee their author and thirty's catalyst thanks for your time here today on r.t. international thank you. n

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came north from the outside noise from russia not from china. russia and. russia. while the real problem was. welcome back to our interview with alastair cook we're talking about the middle east before we went to the break we were talking about the a cultural shift and maybe a strategic shift in israeli thinking because of what's going on in syria but it's always about iraq it's always about your man and i know that you know you're an expert in the region. there's a lot of bluster in the rhetoric that comes out and you know you have to kind of decipher it but we know that prime minister netanyahu is in trouble politically domestically because of corruption charges and allegations. and then we when we had this shoot down of this israeli plane the israeli media and the military talked about you know these. iranian death poses and supplies in syria as if syria really isn't even a sovereign country here how much is this shift that you were talking about and we have the hawks in the pentagon in the white house when it comes to iran is there something coming together rig

not just dialogue with russia and china. we need allies. we are in a great power rivalry in this world with both russia and china, even our -- given our massive debt and china's economic might. that will be a tough hill to climb. we need allies, we need friends. vietnam, south korea, japan, we still don't even have an ambassador to south korea. we are degrading diplomacy at an incredibly rapid. we are also degrading development. we talk about all that stuff on the chart over there that china is doing, one of the biggest things china is doing, is they are spending a lot of money all across the world to try to curry favor with countries and also build their own economic might. they are doing it in a crass and terrible way because they don't care what the government does. they will not pull money out of a country because of a human rights dilation. they are doing it and we are pulling back. again this budget is being , proposed, guts. development. about the department of security. it is part of the nondefense discretionary budget. we will leav

the nuclear delivery system over the last eight years shows numerous advances by russia, china, and north korea, with near absence by the united states. with competitors and adversaries developing 34 new systems in that time, and compared to one for the u.s.

its own it's not a deterrent to russia in china it's explicit right it's explicit in it that it will use it and even the preemptory action is possible. against be likely to acquire nuclear weapons stay with this past year here because it focused on russia china of course north korea but it. almost in a dismissive way start talking about in remarkably considering how these two words the war on terrorism that has been degraded i mean it's a term that was invented by the united states to read havoc unbelievable havoc in the middle east in and beyond and now they're walking away from it they are and were and this is really i mean what you're pointing to is really significant because what we have in its stead and they are very explicit about saying it these are forever wars generational wars our enemies we will fight them by coin which is any means information wars cyber war any type of walled regime change over a generation or more and so russia iran is there doing ratio it's theirs and i guarantee that there will be perpetual wars and the just it will take really quite circular of cours

is trying to fend off a triple threat from iran russia and china. and there is complete unanimity i've seen no dissent whatsoever among any of the mainstream commentators or political politicians liberal conservative or what have you they all agree that . they must rebut the russia and china and the rainy and threat madness. and i can see have that strategy can possibly prevail well you know ivan i'm i'm. don't agree that there are threats whatsoever i mean china is a regional power russia is certainly and. not a global power its reach is actually quite small and if you look at russian foreign policy and defense policy it's very most concerned about their sovereignty more than anything else and the near abroad i know some people don't like that term but it's it's real ok i mean these these threats here in a rant iran it's surrounded by. nato or neutral related countries bases i mean this is all a fiction here but it certainly is very good for the arms industry i mean donald trump has been such a sugar daddy to them this year and next year for sure go

initiating a war with either china or russia their rationale which can be questioned but the rationale is that in case either china or russia precipitate a war for the with the united states we should be prepared for it so i see it is a defensive rationale but i think what would be focused on instead is working to prevent that kind of a war from ever happening and that's to do with course as much with diplomacy and political actions as it has to do with military actions. dr perry last time we spoke you've said a lot of complimentary things about the u.s. defense secretary chu mattis yeah you know the man personally. has blamed russia for actually trying to stick a wedge between america and its allies and promise to speak to moscow from a position of force i mean the times are really tense right now no need to emphasize on that how wise is it to be so confrontational at these times and also do you think he's maybe trying to be tough at home where he really thinks that he can actually get something out of russia by pressure. i don't interpret masses' actions to be meant to be being putti

russia china of course north korea but it it almost in a dismissive way start talking about in remarkably considering how these two words the war on terrorism that has been degraded i mean it's a term that was invented by the united states to read havoc unbelievable havoc in the middle east in and beyond and now they're walking away from it they are and were and this is really i mean what you're pointing news really significant because what we have in its stead and they are very explicit about saying it these are forever wars generational wars our enemies we will fight them by coin which is any means information wars cyber war any type of war regime change over a generation or more and so russia iran is a very very serious there's an i guarantee that there will be perpetual wars and he just ignored it really quite circular of course of course it does yes you're i mean and of course we're already seeing russia reading this china reading it i'm not you know i don't when i say war when it comes to iran i don't think there's going to be hot for i think we're going back to twenty fourteen and

and russia managed to deal with it on issue together and now we have another nuclear crisis with north korea can the two countries go again and say down involved china get the koreans to work could things out pull this off one more time . it will be it would be easier for the u.s. to deal with russia as part of a group of countries along with china japan south korea and others it is very difficult to at the moment to have those bilateral talks. at least openly and even if you have them behind doors there are so many leaks from this administration that it's very hard to carry on diplomacy. you know with russia without that leaking so yes i think you could see in a. broader setting where you have other powers you could actually see improvement in the cooperation and that may build some trust back into the relationship. now during the john kerry years so was hope that this approach of working on some issues while clashing over others will actually lead to a comprehensive amending the russia u.s. relationship but that hasn't materialized why doesn't tillerson continue working this line. well there has been you know a sea change and nobody saw this exact

not just dialogue with russia and china. we need allies. if we are in a great power rivalry with russia and china, given our massive debt and china's economic might, that's going to be a tough hill to climb. we can build a trillion military and it will be hard to match that. we need allies and friends, there are a lot of possibilities, south korea and japan and we still don't have an ambassador for south korea. we are degrading development, an important part of it. this is part of you talk about all the stuff on the chart over there china is doing, one of the biggest things china is doing, they're spending a ton of money all across the world to try to curry favors with countries and build their own economic might. they're doing it in an incredibly crass and terrible way because they don't care what the government does. they won't pull money out of a country because of a human rights violation, they don't care. they're doing it, we're pulling back. this budget is being proposed, guts, development. let's talk about the department of homeland s

michael but it was directed against the united states in china ok ten seconds before we go to the break go ahead michael. it was directed against russia and china you're right and i agree that it's a unfortunate state but i think it was brought about brought upon largely by perceived russian aggressiveness in this domain whether you agree with that perception or not that's what ok well so we're going to go to a break here but i want to point out to our viewers that it was in russia that overthrew the legitimately elected government in kiev in february two thousand and fourteen after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the nuclear posture review stay with . the concepts. to perform. myself today. in the home of. this country's most. so we'll see. getting. what. was it he could with us the logic that yes good morning again to me she. had to finish in a couple hundred twenty p.s.k. i mean her new job. join me every photo stream on the alec simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. you know if you noticed even paying more attention to. the north korean

and russia managed to deal with it on issue together and now we have another nuclear crisis with north korea can the two countries go again and set down involved china at the koreans to work things out pull this off one more time. it will be it would be easier for the u.s. to deal with russia as part of a group of countries along with china japan south korea and others it is very difficult to at the moment to have those bilateral talks. at least openly and even if you have them behind doors there are so many leaks from this administration that it's very hard to carry on diplomacy. you know with russia without that leaking so yes i think you could see in a. in a broader setting where you have other powers you could actually see improvement in the cooperation and that may build some trust back into the relationship. now during the john kerry years so that the surprise of working on some issues while clashing over others will actually lead to a comprehensive amending the russia u.s. relationship but that hasn't materialized why doesn't taylor send continue working this line. well there has been you know a sea change and nobody saw this exactly coming b

michael but it was directed against the united states in china ok ten seconds before we go to the break go ahead michael. it was directed against russia and china you're right and i agree that it's a unfortunate state but i think it was brought a bond brought upon largely by perceived russian aggressiveness in this domain whether you agree with that perception or not that's what ok well so we're going to go to a break here but i want to point out to our viewers that it wasn't russia that overthrew the legitimately elected government in kiev in february two thousand and fourteen after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the nuclear posture review state with. manufacture consent to public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the final. lift certainly the one percent. we can all middle of the room see. the best out of. the concept of paying to perform i actually myself to. heed what. has most of. this in home. turned. her. scanty boasts. so we'll see. what. was it he could with us he was just that yes i did nation so i took it to education. welcome back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter

initiating a war with either china or russia their rationale which can be questioned but their rationale is that in case either china or russia precipitate a war for the with the united states we should be prepared for it so i see it is as a defensive russian now but i think what would be focused on instead it what can we do to prevent that kind of a war from ever happening to do with the course as much with diplomacy and political actions as it has to do with military actions. dr berry last time we spoke you've said a lot of complimentary things about the u.s. defense secretary chu mattis yeah you know the man personally. he's blamed russia for actually trying to stick a wedge between america and its allies and promise to speak to moscow from a position of force i mean the times are really tense right now no need to emphasize on that how wise is it to be so confrontational at these times and also do you think he's maybe trying to be tough at home where he really things that he can actually get something out of russia by pressure. i don't interpret. as his actions should be meant to be b

we have to build massive weapons to deter russia and china? well we are not talking to them, so we must presume the worst. andill give up on diplomacy focus on having as many weapons as humanly possible to make sure they are deterred. dialogue is incredibly important. we need allies. a great power rivalry in this world with russia and china, even our china'sdebt and economic might come at that will be a tough hill to climb. we can build the military a trillion dollars and it will be hard to match that. we need allies. we need friends. japan, weouth korea, still don't even have an ambassador to south korea. we are degrading diplomacy at an incredibly rapid. we talk about all that stuff on the chart over there that china is doing, one of the biggest things they are doing is spending a ton of money all across the world to try to curry favor with countries and also build their own economic might. they are doing it in a crass and terrible way because they don't care what the government does. they will not pull money out of a country because of a hu

michael but it was directed against the united states in china ok ten seconds before we go to the break go ahead michael. it was directed against russia and china you're right and i agree that it's an unfortunate state but i think it was brought about on brought upon largely by perceived russian aggressiveness in this domain whether you agree with that perception or not that's what ok well so we're going to go to a break here but i'd like to point out to our viewers that it wasn't russia that overthrew the legitimately elected government in kiev in february two thousand and fourteen after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the nuclear posture review stage with. very few not a few pay more attention to. the north korean nuclear issue i. can come up with the solutions but i seem to us has been paying too much attention for military you know solutions but i hope the u.s. would pay more attention to peaceful solution to the north korean nuclear problem. the bond market will not crash this time it will continue to go even lower and negative yields on various bonds will increase from the trillion dollars worth of. now the even m

feel that iran should be condemned and that russia china bolivia and kazakhstan shielded iran from responsibility let's check out what the u.s. had to say russia bolivia china kazakhstan sent an opposite equally clear message instead of demanding accountability from iran they decided to shelter ron from responsibility instead of insisting that iran live up to its international obligations they have invited iran to continue promoting chaos in the middle east their actions will not be forgotten and we will not stop until toronto is stopped and peace is once more possible for the people of the middle east for some context the crisis in yemen started in twenty fifteen when saudi arabia led a military campaign against the two things and since then the campaign has led to the deaths of thousands and reduced its infrastructure to almost nothing the conflict has been described as the world's worst humanitarian crisis as saudi arabia has imposed a blockade preventing any humanitarian assistance or food from coming into the country. i think it. looks of it yeah yeah. that's. how the health of course is tha

north korea supplied weapons to syria and me involved and ships coal to countries including russia and china the u.n. sanctions banning such exports are designed to limit funding from north korea's nuclear program. now the u.s. military is modernizing its nuclear weapons also in response it says to concerns russia is expanding its capability the new strategy and the obama era push to reduce america's stockpile defense secretary james mathis says the u.s. needs to see the world as it is not as it wishes it to be a defense correspondent by the call higher folds from washington. u.s. president donald trump never criticizes russian president vladimir putin but the pentagon is doing just that moscow retains a large stockpile of non strategic nuclear weapons and continues to modernize those as well as its strategic systems this report says aggression from russia concerns about china and north korea and potentially iran are the reasons the u.s. needs to modernize its nuclear weapons and it's changing the wording on when it could use them saying the u.s. could use nuclear weapons in extreme circumst

dialogue is incredibly important to deterrence and not just dialogue with russia and china. we need allies. look, if we are in great power rivalry in this world with both russia and china, given our massive debt and china's economic might, that's going to be a tough hill to climb. i mean, we could build a military -- trillion dollar military and it's going to be hard to match all that. we need allies. we need friends and there are a lot of possibilities. ipd yeah, vietnam, south korea, japan, we still don't even have an ambassador to south korea. but we are degrading diplomacy at an incredibly rapid level. we are also degrading development, which i think is an important part of it. this is part of how we talk about, you know, all that stuff in the chart over there, that china's doing. one of the biggest things china is doing is spending a ton of money all across the world to try to curry favor with countries and also build their own economic might. now, they're doing it in an incredibly crass and terrible way, because they don't care what the government does. they're not goin

initiating a war with either china russia their russia now which can be questioned but the rationale is that in case either china or russia precipitate a war for the with the united states we should be prepared for it so i see it is as a defensive rationale but i think what would be focused on instead is working to prevent that kind of a war from ever happening and that's to do with course as much with diplomacy and political actions as it has to do with military actions. dr perry last time we spoke you've said a lot of complimentary things about the u.s. defense secretary chu mattis yeah you know the man personally. has blamed russia for actually trying to stick a wedge between america and its allies and promise to speak to moscow from a position of force i mean the times are really tense right now no need to emphasize on that how wise is it to be so confrontational at these times and also do you think he's maybe trying to be tough at home where he really things that he can actually get something out of russia by pressure i don't interpret. as exaction should be meant to be being put

feel that iran should be condemned and that russia china bolivia and kazakhstan shielded iran from responsibility let's check out what the u.s. had to say russia bolivia china kazakhstan sent an opposite equally clear message instead of demanding accountability from iran they decided to show to run from responsibility instead of insisting that iran live up to its international obligations they have invited iran to continue promoting chaos in the middle east their actions will not be forgotten and we will not stop until toran is stopped and peace is once more possible for the people of the middle east for some context the crisis in yemen started in twenty fifteen when saudi arabia led a military campaign against the who sees and since then the campaign has led to the deaths of thousands and reduced its infrastructure to almost nothing the conflict has been described as the world's worst humanitarian crisis as saudi arabia has imposed a blockade preventing any humanitarian assistance or food from.

could be in for a rough ride because i don't think it's just china or russia but i don't think other powers want to see you know polar world with the u.s. as the top power now in your book the future declassified you say that america has to take charge and direct the needed changes in the world what about all the countries of the world that aren't excited about the american direction i mean do you think they should be forced into following america's elite no i mean i think way to you earlier said about a poly centric world is correct and if you have a poly centric world then that means that the u.s. has to sit down with other powers and players in the world and we have to think about how we can work together we do have an enormous of a number of and we've talked about some of these shared interests so the effort should be thinking about how do we cooperate in dealing with the shared interests. so anderson and you're talking about the u.s. adopting a sensible strategic policy and going through with it but if we try to look at it from a non american point of view we see that since iraq

initiating a war with either china or russia their rationale which would be questioned but the rationale is that in case either china or russia precipitate a war for the with the united states we should be prepared for it so i see it is as a defensive rationale but i think what would be focused on instead is working to prevent that kind of a war from ever happening and that's to do with course as much with diplomacy and political actions as it has to do with military actions. dr perry last time we spoke you've said a lot of complimentary things about the u.s. defense secretary chu mattis yeah you know the man personally. has blamed russia for actually trying to stick a wedge between america and its allies and promise to speak to moscow from a position of force i mean the times are really tense right now no need to emphasize on that how wise is it to be so confrontational at these times and also do you think he's maybe trying to be tough at home where he really thinks that he can actually get something out of russia by pressure. i don't interpret. as exaction should be meant to be being p

and russia managed to deal with it on an issue together and now we have another nuclear crisis with north korea can the two countries go again and sit down and involve china and get the koreans to work could things out pull this off one more time. it will be it would be easier for the u.s. to deal with russia as part of a group of countries along with china japan south korea and others it is very difficult to at the moment to have those bilateral talks. at least openly and even if you have them behind doors there are so many leaks from this administration that it's very hard to carry on diplomacy. you know with russia without that leaking so yes i think you could see in a. in a broader setting where you have other powers you could actually see improvement in the cooperation and that may build some trust back into the relationship now during the john kerry years so that this approach of working on some issues while clashing over others will actually lead to a comprehensive mending of the russian u.s. relationship but that hasn't materialized why doesn't tillerson continue working this line. well there has been you know a sea change and nobody saw this exac

michael but it was directed against the united states in china ok ten seconds before we go to the break go ahead michael. it was directed against russia and china you're right and i agree that it's an unfortunate state but i think it was brought a bond brought upon largely by perceived russian aggressiveness in this domain whether you agree with that perception or not that's what ok well so we're going to go to a break here but i'd like to point out to our viewers that it wasn't russia that overthrew the legitimately elected government in kiev in february two thousand and fourteen after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the nuclear posture review with. the bond market will not crash and this time it will continue to go even lower and negative yields on various bonds will increase from the trillion dollars worth of. now the even more. dollars of negative yielding sovereign debt and we're going to go down the rabbit hole even further but it's certainly smells like what the panic cash withdrawal in places like china and the sell off in all these various markets and what the oil prices climbing higher. that we've got here. an

russia's all talk with it was golden china has the money all russia has is memories laureus past was in the navy cockleshell. people like to come to the bridge of orenburg to enjoy the sunset looking west towards europe but many confess that they're looking the other way more and more often. at this moment i'm sure that it's easier will be our future because china are there and other european are other underside great developing their interference our life our culture our wealth and that's why it's results future plans. may be the new silk road will cross the ural river tomorrow and in the end a modern highway will connect china to europe as the railway already does. it will be a europe that's currently coping with many crises and that doesn't seem to have yet grasped the extent of she ging pings project. how can the europe counter the power structures china is building along its new silk road. how will europe respond to this new soft imperialism based on economic growth and imperialism that's redrawing the map between europe and asia. above. my song turning sixty. every journey begi

second piece of the question was, the china piece, i'm not a diplomat, i'm a military officer, had to deal with the russiathreat in the china threat in the north korean threat in the iranian threat. that's like you with, but as an american, i would like china to be part of any discussion on the future. i would like china to look at the missiles china is building. i would like to understand china's role in the intermediate nuclear forces. i would like to understand what those pieces are. i would like to have an aggressive dialogue between the state department and the chinese foreign ministry in those pieces. i would like to have all those things happen but that's my job. my job is to deal with the world that it is, deal with the world that could be and be prepared for those kinds of things that allow the state department to walk down that path but i really want them to go. as far as how do you use reaper reapers, that's really not my lane. i don't know if you've looked at the structure or not, but i don't have any reapers in this structure. that's really a broader question for the airports. i'm informed th

but when a country like russia or china is going to cyber war -- how do you react?ur low yield nuclear weapons a deterrent? now.ity is right hard to say how to be safe. is nuclearg thing proliferation with terrorist organizations. i think these threats are the biggest. cyber war and nuclear proliferation. justminor nice thing -- modernizing the nuclear system is not enough. put 1% of the budget, the pentagon does come into cyber war. constanze: let us not leave out of the picture political warfare. put 1% of the budget, the pentagonor as one of my brookins colleagues in a book says -- measures short of war which ourrfere in politics and economies. it is something the russians are doing that also the chinese and the iranians. propaganda. has a toxic and destabilizing affect which undermines the trust you need in societies to get to the kind of agreement you would like to see. inathose are in arguably -- inflicting real-time polities and our social cohesion as we speak. i think if we do not keep firmly in mind that that is where things are currently having come -- are

speaking before the congressional armed services committee in his remarks he talked about how both russia and china were in his view a major threat to the united states because they were updating their nuclear arsenals russia has reduced only the number of its accountable strategic nuclear force and russia has been modernizing the weapons as well as other nuclear systems . moscow advocates a theory of nuclear escalation from military conflict china to is modernizing and expanding its already considerable nuclear forces pursuing entirely new nuclear capabilities now these words come from a country that recently updated its nuclear weapons doctrine the us nuclear review was recently released and in the review the united states named russia china iran and north korea as potential threats to the united states they could essentially attack these countries with nuclear weapons in what they deem to be extreme circumstances and that includes a non-nuclear situation later in his remarks before the armed services committee met is actually talked about increasing the u.s. military budget at this point the uni

recently revealed a new us to fast track which sas that interstate strategic competition with russia and china is the number one concern for the u.s. is terrorism no longer the biggest threat to america it isn't i mean this is a dramatic switch it on terrorism is still a big threat and you know any u.s. president does not want to see a repeat of the nine eleven episode so we have been hardening our borders. and we continue. in the middle east and elsewhere cooperated with countries who are fighting terrorism and following also. the spread of extreme extremism in the u.s. or elsewhere to try to date and to any terrorist attacks but increasingly you know u.s. is foreign policy elite believes that we're falling behind china. on technology certain technologies or that they're moving ahead on certain technologies. and they actually despite having lots of problems with how foreign policy is executed under president trump actually the foreign policy elite both republican and democrat would agree with those statements in the national defense strategy. to us and in fact abandoning the war on terror are

speaking before the congressional armed services committee in his remarks he talked about how both russia and china were in his view a major threat to the united states because they were updating their nuclear arsenals russia had reduced only the number of bits accountable strategic nuclear force russia has been modernizing the weapons as well as other nuclear systems. moscow advocates a theory of nuclear escalation for military conflict trying to modernize and expanding its already considerable nuclear forces pursuing entirely new nuclear capabilities now these words come from a country that recently updated its nuclear weapons doctrine the us nuclear review was recently released and in the review the united states named russia china iran and north korea as potential threats to the united states they could essentially attack these countries with nuclear weapons in what they deem to be extreme circumstances and that includes a non-nuclear situation where later in his remarks before the armed services committee madis actually talked about increasing the u.s. military budget at this point the united

sanctions with help from china and russia at all the country. the allegations are in a confidential united nations report which also says the north supplied weapons to syria and me and ma both countries deny that the un says the north exported coal to russia china and other asian countries as well as receiving help to set up businesses and bank accounts as a front for illegal activities exports of coal fired lead textiles and seafood are banned by un sanctions they're aimed at limiting funding for north korea's nuclear program into reports. using what's been described as a combination of multiple evasion techniques brute and deceptive tactics north korea ship coal to ports in russia china south korea malaysia and vietnam so says the report to the un security council sanctions committee that also says pyongyang urged nearly two hundred million dollars from the sale of banned exports last year it's not actually surprised in the north korean gauges and sanctions busting china has allowed poor sanctions to sort of go on that tolerated port sanctions

will do china tends to follow russia sometimes china has used its veto and russia has just abstained this is the current draft of the resolution the problem and the problem for some time has been the very first paragraph you see the red on there that's where things have been changed in the last twenty four hours it's all about the cease fire timing and how it comes into operation that seems to be the problem they originally have the words that it should be an immediate cease of hostilities that became without delay they had for an initial period of thirty days that became a cease fire thirty days for a juror bull humanitarian pause these are some of the changes that are being made and i'm pretty certain it's only guesswork for me that that that document the russians and chinese were holding was quite possibly another amendment of this key first paragraph of this resolution i can tell you there's a difference of opinion among the other members of the security council on what to do some want to continue to negotiate as you say there's only really one chance at this t