if russia daycares t daiks t dictates to the world how to be produce geopolitical relationships thereo hope for the world. i think whatever way russia behaves the european union and the whole democratic world has to do their best to ensure that the association agreement is signed with ukraine and to not leave ukraine in the gray zone. >> that sounds like leaning west. >> absolutely. i think that ukraine's joining europe and the association agreement is the first step. it's like coming home. and we have to come home. >> is it fair to say you would not rule out playing a role? >> it's not being discussed. >> what is your thinking on how quickly ukraine and the rest of the world have to act? >> obviously, the crucial date is the referendum. i'm convinced that the referendum's results are very easy to predict. remembering the armed threat that exists there. >> and what you're saying is that after that referendum, the russians will annex crimea. >> if russia is not stopped it will go as far as it can. >> and now a techknow minute... >> it's the ultimate race againt time. doctors preforming