of the russian economy. these measures include freezing the assets of russian defense companies and blocking new financing of some of russia's most important banks and energy companies. the sanctions are significant, but they are also targeted, designed to had the maximum impact on the russian calculus while limiting the impact on the russian people and limiting any spillover effects on our interests or those of our allies. the european union has announced expanded sanctions against russia this week. the message is unified and clear. if president putin continues to choose escalation over de-escalation, the international community will continue to impose costs on russia. this is not what any of us want. we and our allies remain committed to a diplomatic solution, as are the ukrainian government and ukrainian people, who has seen their neighbors, friends and family members killed in a needless conflict. hasident porchenko consistently backed up his words with action. he proposed a comprehensive peace plan, whi

and citizens of the russian federation. and call for the ukrainian side to take desizive measures for the future about the danger and call for increasing dialogue t howev. however, they chose the wrong path. talking about the u.s. pushed them to escalate the crisis. they are trying to lay the blame on russia. where t where is the roadmap proposed by the chairman? from 17 april and the deckclaration to july. however, representatives of the kiev government broad lastly point to poroshenko. and the deployment of the kiev government has decided to step up after the february uprising centered with kiev. and then some sort of non-human. channel 5? the ukrainian's poroshenko the commercial shown stepping up in eastern ukraine. there has been violence with the number -- the number of haven'tims continues to -- victims continues to rise, have disappeared. a promise performance, something kiev would like to garner from europeans and then give it to people. indeed, according to the report, the distribution from the president of the pa

or was it the russians? and officials here say they haven't yet determined that, but, you know, ultimately officials here also come to the conclusion, look, no matter who pulled the trigger, it was clearly a russian weapon that did the damage. >> so the officials there are ruling out the possibility that ukraine could have accidentally interpreted this as a russian spy plane or some other kind of russian plane and shot it down, themselves. >> it's highly unlikely because in one respect, the missiles, the same kind of missiles, those book surface-to-air missiles that the ukrainians have are held over from the soviet era, and these missiles have to be maintained. their batteries have to be replaced. it's a complicated maintenance system that the ukrainians are unlikely to have kept up, so it's not -- nobody thinks that the missiles they have are that reliable anyway. and then the question is, why on earth would they try to shoot something down? because the separatists certainly don't have aircraft. and the ide

first of all, i doubt that russian government and the russian president has total control over the pro-russian rebels in eastern ukraine. that's a problem. perhaps this is something that the russian military would like to have. but, i doubt that they can easily order them to pull back and this could happen domestically as well. it would be difficult for a russian president to have a u-turn and say they are not supporting the pro-russian movement in eastern ukraine. in this case, he would need a face saving operation to do it. secondly, an international investigation, independent investigation needs to be done as to who shot the plane, what weapons were used and whether the weapons came from russia or there were already in ukraine. ultimately determine who did it. >> you are starting to hear the volume from other countries and other international leaders increase. we heard tony abbott use strong language against russia this morning. let's talk about western europe. do you think this will push them to enhance, increase the sanctions they have laid on putin and russia over the last several months

alcohol of talk risky and the secret history of the russian state professor thank you very much for being here thanks for having me on the program now one of the main arguments in your latest book is that what has been used through all of russia's history as an instrument of social control reach is not really a controversial statement in and of itself because i think most governments concerned with their well being of their citizens have exercised some sort of social control but what you seem to be arguing is quite the opposite that successive russian governments have intentionally encourage alcoholism as a way of filling state coffers am i reading you right yeah that's one element of the call revenues or essential part of russian state craft going back hundreds and hundreds of years well but i think if we go back a couple of a couple of hundred years let's say a nineteenth or even eighteenth century many states throughout the world used. to hold revenues to that kafir it's quite different if you put this argument across this time around and i think you you do precisely that you argue tha

it will backfire and implicit in the title is the accusation of the russian state and russian media of running some sort of deliberate just information contained in your crane. can you explain yourself first off the title wasn't mine the original title that i wrote was called said winding down russia's information war with the old question mark at the end but the words of it. just behind the article is all mine. to move beyond the title essentially what i suggested in the article was that with the may twenty fifth election in ukraine it's going to be harder and harder for instruments of russian media to police the situation in ukraine as essentially being some sort of right wing ultra white ring fascist too and so my hope was that maybe we can return to some sort of semblance of normal rather than sort of over the top hysterics about what's going on. over the top hysteria secondly it's a matter of perspectives and you know the vans in ukraine may seem to you in one way and the russians in some other way but i think when you accuse a person the group or anti a nation of propaganda it's

some sort of social control but what you seem to be arguing is quite the opposite that successive russian governments have intentionally encourage alcoholism as a way of filling state coffers am i reading you right yeah that's one element of this that's the call revenues or a central part of russian state craft going back hundreds and hundreds of years well but i think if we go back a couple of a couple of hundred years let's say one thousand so even eighteenth century many states throughout the world used. to hold revenues to fill up their coffers and it's quite different if you put this argument across this time around and i think you you do precisely that you argue that the russian state the russian government still relies on walk as a means of manipulation social control and essentially making money off its citizenry you know there's certainly an element of that it's what economists talk about as a revenue trip that you want you find a good source of revenue it's really hard. to find a replacement for us and this is something that has unfortunately very deep roots in russia and you're

-russian relations, european-russian relations. this is an end to 20 years of warm post cold war relations between the u.s. and russia. >> we should note it's not just suspicions from the ukrainians when it comes to the involvement of russia in these pro-russian militants. igor girkin or igor strel cough who reportedly took credit when he thought this was a different plane earlier, the head of the dom bast people's militia is former kgb. he's former gru, military intelligence in rauchia. the idea he has no relationship whatsoever to the russians is hard for ukrainians to believe. >> absolutely. u.s. intelligence officials have documented this. it's not just the ukrainians who say there are russian nationals fighting hip inside ukraine. some are volunteers, guys who cross the border and said i'm going to fight for this cause, but there's been previous documentation of communication between commanders on the eastern side of the border and russian intelligence, et cetera. so we know that there is -- u.s. officials no, sir there is a c

pro-russian separatists were killed in the attack.he air missile system used to take down the jet was developed by the russians. >> if you want to figure out what could have hit the plane, tough think about the circumstances of the plane at the time. it was about 32,000-33,000 feet in the air over ukraine, 30 miles away from the russian border. you cannot hit this with a shoulder fired antiaircraft missile. they are not strong enough. what you need is something much more like this. this is the antimissile system. it's one that is talked about in this case. it is a four-man unit. it has four ready-to-fire missiles on top. it can set up and fire quickly and move away after firing quickly. those missiles have a tremendous amount of power. let's bring one in and talk about that. each one is 16 feet long. we are showing them smaller here to make it fit. it will weigh 1500 pounds and it has a 154 pound warhead on it. that means 154 pounds of high explosive. it doesn't have to hit the target, just get close to it. with electronic guidance sy

denials from the russian military that any plane was in that area. >> we have been hearing from russian officials saying that they did not have any military flights in that area along the ukrainian border at the time which would be some sort of denial of russian involvement. we are waiting to see if they will have a complete denial. it is alleged that it was a russian air defense system that shot this plane down. >> any indication that the president is prepared to say when he comes out and speaks at 2:10? >> no indication whatsoever. we have been told that he is going address this through sources at the white house but the press has received no official notification that the president would be addressing this, but clearly it's something he simply cannot ignore. i would expect that we would hear from the president. at the very least from the very beginning expression of condolences to those who lost their lives on the flight. this plane went down and 295 people appear to have been kim killed. >> the white house has been reluctant to be pushed off of their schedule what they had planned b

you have the ukrainian government, pro-russian separatists and also the russian government. so we need to find out more information for ourselves and certainly investigators from all over the world including the united states will be looking into that as we speak. we have a statement also from the malaysian prime minister who says i am shocked by reports that an mh plane crashed. we are launching an immediate investigation. of course, there is the coincidence, there's no better word for it, that this would be the second air disaster to strike malaysia airlines in just the last few months. it may just be a terrible awful coincident for this airline, this boeing 777 with 295 people on board now reported crashed in eastern ukraine. i want to bring back in richard quest. again, we have that issue of it being a malaysian airlines flight. but right now the focus, this discussion seems to be much more on where this crash happened in this area of military conflict between ukraine and russia. >> absolutely. if you look at the map, donetsk, right around that particular area on the yuk

russian technology, russian equipment, russian advisorss & training. >> they can track by laser, radarat? it isn't like firing off a bottle rocket in your backyard. you have to know where you are going with this. on the day before they were successful on two hits of ukrainian aircraft. you have to think they woke up and said we have our hands on something that could change the course of contest. and they fire again and this time they made a grave and deep, deep mistake. >> here is the thing. if you are setting in front of a radar screen and you don't have identification friend or foe and you cannot identify a tra transponder from an aircraft. all you know is that is an airplane at 30,000 and you maybe trained but this was stupid. they were probably high from the day before. saw the plane and pushed the fire button and were not smart enough to destroy the missile in flight when they realized they made a mistake. >> samantha powers is speaking at the un meeting and o'reilly was arguing that the world will do nothing. will it? or not? >> in the short-term, no. we follow a political cycle.

troops and pro-russian rebels. according to malaysian airlines website, this boeing 777 left on thursday afternoon and set to arrive in amsterdam on thursday night. deeply shocked. the dutch prime minister is returning to the netherlands from a summit in brussels. he has interesting information. he says that i'm deeply shocked by the dramatic reports of the crash of malaysia airlines flight 17 noting he had been in touch with ukraine's president. tour operators told local media they booked dozens of dutch citizens on this flight. quoting again. much is still unclear about the facts, circumstances and the passengers of this flight. the ukrainian president has called reported downing of malaysian aircraft "an act of terrorism" and germany's largest airline says its planes will steer clear of eastern ukraine's airspace. there are no active flights in this airspace now at all. john busse, i wonder if you have an update? >> julia barnes, our pentagon reporter in washington, says that u.s. defense department officials ar

so two actual russians then two ukrainins that are pro russian. watch, and listen to this conversation. >> minor group just shot down an airplane. >> pilots, where are the pilots? >> they've gone to take a look for a photograph. there is smoke rising. >> how many men to go with this? >> around 30 minutes ago. >> what have you got going on there? >> there is 100% sure it's a civilian plane. >> are there a lot of people there? >> it's expletive bad debris has fallen in peoples' yards. >> what flight was it? >> i haven't worked that out yet i only just looked over there where the first bodies started falling. there is debris from the interior bracket supports, seats, bodies. >> is there a weapon? >> nothing. there are civilian things, towels and laugh -- lavaratoy paper. >> f them, we should not fly, we're at war here. >> let's just start this came from ukrainin secret service we can't vouch for authenticity of the tape the question tonight is if this is real, what does it show us? >> it almost certainly is real, square was everything we know about t

two were russian airliners. that was flying north of crimea and a malaysian flight 21 heading to kuala lumpur from paris. but again, if you take a look at these applications here, flightaware.com, just one of them, you can see that there is not heavy traffic within this area where this plane went down. and most likely for good reason. because there is a lot of concern as to what happened and what caused this plane to go down. again, we have been in very close contact with the agencies here. it just goes to show you, information doesn't travel as fast as social media or even the news media, because even here in the united states ntsb doesn't have concrete information they can share with us. we do know, though, if this plane was indeed shot down, the ntsb would not be involved in this investigation. because then it is automatically criminal. that is something for the fbi to take over. so we do know that. we do know what the ntsb's role would look like if this was indeed a criminal activity. but, again, that remain

hello and welcome to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle the idea of russian russians as long obsessed western minds and politics and that obsession has to date been remarkably dark and even menacing is this because the west projects its own negative self harm to others. cross-talk perceptions of russia and russians i'm joined by my guest neil clark in london he is a journalist broadcaster and specialist in eastern european affairs in berlin we have nicholai petro he is a professor of political science at the university of rhode island and in moscow we crossed of lattimer goldstein he is an associate professor of slavic studies at brown university right gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it nikolai if i go to you first in berlin you spent some time in ukraine on a fulbright i understand where it is russian were attitudes about russia come from in the west because obviously you know you can just open up a newspaper or magazine go to a website or a television in the west and well russia has to say the v

and a russian army commander.en verified. they sent us the phone calls in russian, i had a chance to listen to them. one where reportedly the pro-russian insurgents are discussing the fact that they did shoot down a jet liner. they thought that the jet liner allegedly was a ukrainian government plane. they did not know that civilians were on board. there were a lot of swear words exchanged and that. allegedly the pro-russian insurgents saying that they did not intend as i mentioned to shoot it down. the wreckage of the plane verified. elected in may, said that he saw this as a terrorist attack and those who were responsible would be brought to justice. he also said that the attack is a challenge to the whole world. very serious situation here today. >> jessica, is the government of ukraine, i know that they say that they now have proof that it was a separatist ribles. what are they saying about russia? >> they have consistently maintained that russia is funding and fueling dissent in eastern ukraine. russian presi

the russian government in an awkward situation. one of the military commanders of the separatists rebels in ukraine is igor girkin, a russian citizen. earlier this week, girkin took cred for allegedly shooting down a military aircraft. a release from the government caught another commander saying they'd shot down the claim, making it more difficult. >> pelley: clarissa, you recognize the voice of the commander on the tape? >> i do, absolutely, scott, because that commander actually detained the crew in ukraine a couple of months ago. we were stopped at a checkpoint, blindfolds, held for hours, one crew member was beaten, no reason was given for the descension tension, and we were only released, apparently, scott, after a russian commander intervened and gave the order. >> pelley: clarissa, thanks very much. mike morrell has been giving us unsight into the downing of the plane. until last year. mr. morrell was number two official at the c.i.a., now a cbs news contributor. mr. morrell, how much involvement did the russians have, in y

of russian origin.ut that is a different story than saying it was mr. putin who told that man to pull that trigger. that is something, you know, question marks, over whether that will ever be proven, john. >> diana magnay for us. officials have no proof on exactly who gave the order. >> and behind the chaos and arm amounts. >> certainly in training that aloud this tragic accident to happen. >> we're following the latest on who shot down malaysian flight 17. first flights to tel aviv advising the war on gaza has made flying unsafe. just landing, secretary of state john kerry. we are live next. >>> all right. right now, the u.s. airlines are banned from flying into or out of the international airport in tel aviv. that's israel's largest airport. the faa taking this drastic step after a missile slammed into a home a mile away from the airport. now, the ban will be reassessed shortly after noon eastern time. former new york mayor michael bloomberg urging the faa to reverse its decision. he boarded a flight

we russians. believed on their propaganda and it was forced upon us so you know i think we have pretty good experience of. you know. recognizing it but what i think is happening in the west is people essentially leaving in this world when they believe that you know that media free and fair and objective and they simply don't realize when propaganda is being you know offered to them what do you make of that i think that's a perfectly valid point you know it's not just an east west thing increasingly in the united states you know we have segments of media where you have sort of an echo chamber on the right with fox news you have an echo chamber on the left with and this and b c and what i do you know that in educating students is trying to be sort of cognizance of not only where the editorial line in some of these different places lies but not being just you know stopping with that and saying oh ok well this is a fox news so we can't listen to it or this is an assembly scene we can't listen to it or

are not responsible, there will be question marks about russian involvement and why the russians didn't see a piece of kit like this crossing their border into ukraine. >> james of course this will have huge implications for the conflict in eastern ukraine which has been going on for sometime now. how do you see it evolving? orb -- obviously we don't have all of the answers, but what implications do you see it having? >> i think unofficially in speaking to those that i have spoken to so far, there will be a moment of calm. no one wants to rush to judgment with something as serious as this. and i think this goes potentially way beyond the conflict in ukraine. this is about the west and its relationship with russia, which is at one of its worst points already since the end of the soviet union. >> james i would like you to talk about nato's role in this conflict, and what has it been doing so far? and will we see anymore involvement from nato? >> it certainly will be discussed in the corridors in brussels. i have spoken to people there. it is already being discussed in brussels. i expect w

if you had elements using russian hardware that were out of the control of the russian military. i think that might explain why president putin brought it up in his call with president obama today. wasn't trying to hide it. so air defense systems, radar systems, are prone to error. even the united states made a terrible error and shot down an iranian commercial airliner about 25 years ago. they just in a tense situation, you have the potential for human error. or in this case, it might be, and again, we're stressing that we're speculating here, it could be some command and control issues within air defense systems. so if this does turn out to be a tragic mistake, ironically, that actually gives the various parties an opportunity to find some common ground in the loss of life and start to try to cool things don a bit. >> we have some breaking news right now before the tackle those important questions we just raised about the broader regional questions. malaysia airlines is going to hold a press conference shortly at 4:00 local time. we're going to be bring you updates as we lead u

separatists inside the ukraine, and the russian government and russian military. a lot of violence in this area already happening over the past several days and weeks. clearly that's the backdrop for all of this. the call between putin and obama was said by the white house to be focused on those economic sanctions. that was the news of yesterday in which the united states ratcheted up its sanctions designated several russian and ukrainian individuals including i should say an official of the fsb. that's a successor agency to the kgb, a rare economic sanctioning of an fsb officer of the russian government there and as well sanctioning a number of russian and ukrainian companies and financial entities. so that was the subject of the putin/obama call earlier today. we don't know what else they got into, although the white house is saying that putin noted the news coverage of this downed plane in this conversation with obama. we don't know whether that was the first time barack obama was informed about this. he might have been aware of it previously where at some poin

the pro-russian separatists in eastern ukraine were in touch with russian agents as the plane was shotkrainian secret service a short time ago release aid transcript of what he said were intercepted telephone conversations between pro-russian militants and russian agent where they discussed a plane was shot down, that it was a passenger plane, that there were lots of passengers' bodies on the ground. so at least that contact was there. now, it's also u.s. officials' contention and it has been for several weeks, that these militants are in touch with russian agents but also armed by russians including with shoulder-fired missiles but there's also the possibility, wolf, that these militants acted on their own without the okay fromming russia, but that is in many ways an equally alarming prospect that them have the these arms and can act as they see fit and having seen the work of these groups in eastern ukraine myself, these are not people you want with heavy weapons making decisions about the shooing down passenger planes. >> it's certainly not. stand by. simon is joining from us easter

the russian government and the russian people and international investors who often recognize the russian economy has been severely damaged both by russian risk management and by our sanctions and the threat of future sanctions. i do think that we could point to the real impact we have had and i think it's a fair questi question. at what point is the start to impact russian strategic calculations and you're absolutely correct. i do think at this point as victoria has said what we have had to turn impact on russian terms of tactics but it's clear to all of us that as a strategic matter their strategy remains the same and that is why we are working hard and true in working with their friends and partners in the g7 to make sure that when the time comes with a strong package of measures and i'm quite confident that at the time we will have a strong package of measures that will do their damage to the economy. >> mr. chairman thank you free time that it does want to close by saying that again i respect each of your service to our country and i know that each of you have to be somewhat disappoi

it was saying earlier today the russian army or russian air force, or russian jets had shot down a fighter jet plane that was flying in ukrainian air space yesterday, on wednesday evening. so this is still a situation where -- you know, the information is coming in. we're going to have to get more when it arrives. >> right. all right. rory i was just going to ask you about -- you know, as you said, ukraine has accused the russians of supporting the separatists on the ground in eastern ukraine. what sort of evidence do the ukrainians have, and do we know if it turns out to be -- what sort of support has russia been providing to the separatists? the >> well, that is the big gray area. how much support has russia been providing to the separatists. i have been down to the border and seen aid flowing across the border myself. but it was food, medicines, medical supplies, and clothes, and that sort of thing. that was going across the border last week. it was going across the border to the fighters who are taking on the ukrainian military in the east of the country, so it is very feasible that ot

it's about a number of russian citizens, mainly russian citizens who have links to russian special forces who lead the terists. it's in the about the people who represent them. it's about propaganda machine. a splint within ukraine would mean a clean slate in life. the pro oe beganed propaganda around the clock. they tried to buy some directly building of criminal gangs and seduce others. they still hate ukraine. intimidate those who refuse to obey. they have everything. they have the most modern fire guns. now they can rely on more sophisticated system which can shoot down international airplan airplanes. you can imagine, there is probably still a possibility to buy a rifle on the black market but how can you get the most sophisticated anti-air defense system. how can you get that. how can you get the ter irorist to operate one of the most so sophisticated anti-air defense systems? russians are more involved in fighting. in the most recent days we've had a number of cases of shelling our troops in the russian territory. also intruding in ukrainian air space. using all kinds of systems. i

that are russian-trained russian military that call themselves separatists. i think there's already compelling evidence that they thought they were shooting down again another ukrainian air transport aircraft. the other one was at 21,000 feet. this one -- this airliner was at 33,000 feet. directly loss of american lives here. and the president goes to a fundraiser? help me out. >> do you see this as part of what vladimir putin did in crimea? he has territorial ambitions in the ukraine and these russian separatists involved in the shooting down of these ukraine aircraft, military aircraft, were probably responsible. here you've laid out what some of the consequences should be, but it seems that our western european allies are incapable of joining us because of their need for ukrainian energy, right? >> right. and senator hoeven and brass laid out a plan where we can get that natural gas being flared in wyoming and north dakota and get it to europe and kiev so they can become energy independent. yes, the europeans -- well, i run out of adjectives as my disdain

but having said that, obviously we find out there was actually a russian military person or a russiantely it would make it even worse, yes. >> congressman peter king, thank you for your time. appreciate it, sir. >> brooke, thank you. >>> russian president vladimir putin is not used to people standing up to him. how does he feel about two women telling him it's time to man up? two american women. we'll talk about that. >>> also ahead, the truth about flight 17 is very, very different from what many russians in russia are hearing about this crash. like a report that the plane was full of corpses and blown up on purpose. absolutely outrageous. but that is the kind of propaganda there that they are being told. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ hooking up the country helping business run ♪ ♪ trains! they haul everything, safely and on time. ♪ tracks! they connect the factories built along the lines. and that means jobs, lots of people, making lots and lots of things. let's get your business rolling now, everybody sing. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ helping this bi

there may be russian citizens, and in fact russian special forces physically involved on the ground,nd certainly the russians are supplying weapons. what is critical to understand about this latest tragedy is that there is still a fair amount of ambiguity about the system that was actually used. if in fact it was captured on ukrainian territory, then it's not clear that you can really connect the dots here between something russia is doing and this result. and i think that will give mr. putin plenty of room to push the west back and say look, wait a second. we have been calling for a negotiated diplomatic solution here. it hasn't worked as much because the ukrainians want to keep fighting, want to keep mounting what they call a counter terrorist operation because of anything we're doing. let's slow down here, let's all work together. and frankly, if they maintain that position, i think it would be smart of the united states and the west to give them that exit ramp as the administration has called it and try to at least work with them to get a ceasefire in place and to get some kind o

a few russian planes in that region now.re are still planes there. >> the flight routes will be planned and based on areas of conflict and working around that. >> let's hope so. >> thank you very much. >> we will continue to follow the malaysian airlines flight 17. however, we are following a very major story as gaza has been inva invaded. israeli moving troops in after ten days of air strikes. we are live with what's happening in gaza. that's after the break. >>> another story we are keeping track of this morning, israel launched a ground invasion into gaza. the israeli army confirming a soldier has been killed along with a dozen palestinians. tanks rolling over the northern border of gaza after ten days of bombardments. karl is live this morning. we have seen air strikes in the past. now, we are moving to a ground invasion. what has become the new goal here? >> reporter: absolutely. it's been more than 14 hours since israeli's got boots on the ground on the gaza strip. they came across with infantry units and tanks in dark

or pro-russian separatists. it is an awfully blurry line between the two groups. back to you. >> leland, since you were on the ground there, it will be very significant gaining access to the crash site itself. what can you tell us about this area where the plane went down? >> imagine the farmland, you'd probably think about it as almost nebraska-like if you were to equate the geography to the united states in terms of what the terrain is like, but remember that when we were there, we were going through an awful lot of checkpoints. they do not like americans. they do not like westerners, and they are all armed, so the idea of actually getting folks in there, these rebels do not want you do is going to be an awfully difficult proposition and especially given the amount of area that you would have to cover. this is not like the ntsb go team can just show up, and you can imagine that during this time, if the russians want to have people on the ground doing whatever it is they want, cleaning up, gathering things, tha

so it may have been a russian rocket operated by a russian, operated by russian personnel. >> certainlyussian observers is probably likely, just to help them make sure that they do it well. >>> issue two, the ongoing nuclear deal. >> i am returning to washington today to consult with president obama and with leaders in congress over the coming days about the prospects for a comprehensive agreement, as well as a path forward, if we do not achieve one by the 20th of july. there has been tangible progress on key issues. however, there are also very real gaps on other key issues. >> with the sunday, july 20 deadline for a comprehensive nuclear agreement with iran now at hand, secretary of state kerry pressed on with his iranian shuttle diplomacy. in vienna, he tried to rescue the stalemated talks between iran and the p5 plus one. the p5 plus one nuclear negotiations had bogged down over tehran's insistence on keeping the nuclear status quo without limits on research and development of nuclear centrifuges, a vital component in making weapons-grade nuclear fuel. the u.s. wants limits on the c

is huge in ukraine but russian side school regarding journalist russian side is convinced killings are deliberate there was italian journalist with his translator also killed why do the russian side believe that these killings are deliberate. well first of all all. all drawn is i mean they have markings on their clothes they have markings t.v. or press markings on their vehicles and. there are numerous witness reports there and we have obviously formation which is only open today that they are being persecuted that the russian journalists have been persecuted by russian journalists are journalists in general you don't not only russian we because attacks on journalists they have continued for for a while and. let's remember british journalists who are there who are things you do for who are absolutely and who are as if i'm not mistaken and there and he was also have to have that. several russians on this have been killed three russians others have been killed in fact and then it's at the end of this as well there was there it is impossible not to see that you are shooting at journalists

the part of you know good old majority russian or russian wheelin is. from the west which is good in the west i want to stress that russians well all the students all these pupils and i but they think like weak studies and they want to learn from the west something which is way to go with a dome a loan from the west for being all lecturing things like lead that is wonderful you know say american traditions you know which are which which are not being projected to show there is a tradition of you know i ben franklin would say that the first duty of a citizen used to questions one's authority you know like the row with the right about civil disobedience and full story great russian representative of the best of russian policy and my it's a role but what we see recently is you know it's not that type of america we see america lectured in bullying and i think russia and other you know that they want to learn something new and they want to. so they're free to communicate with the best in the rest of the culture not not were the rules not with a condescending

and russian relationship and u.s. and russia do coordinate on a number of important international issues right now, like iran and like syria. well, what is this going to do? i mean, it's clear that even if this was as it appears to be according to u.s. officials a shoot down by separatists, the u.s. has said repeatedly for months now that they believe that these separatists are significantly controlled by russia, so inestibleably, there seems to be going to be some russian responsibility here that's going to have to be acted upon by the international community. >> how far will the president go in accusing the russians of complicity here? we'll hear the president's statement. it is a crucial statement in about 25 minutes. i want to bring in jim scuitto. just a few minutes ago, we heard samantha powers lay out a prosecutorial case explaining why the u.s. believes russia was responsible and why it is so crucial that investigators can get access to the site and russia not get in the way of that. >> no question. i spoke to

businesses it could involve freezing the assets of russian russian individuals and russian business is held in the united states in other countries so there are various methods that can be used but of course the long term evidence suggests that these terms be a counterproductive and actually harm the nation imposing the sanctions and if they do work it tends to be when they're imposed on very small isolated and weak countries and clearly russia is very far from that category ok so in theory they're supposed to cause problems for the russian economy how they're supposed to do this . well i mean one of the problem with this is that there will be a long term fear that there will be a righteous of facts so that every few months the sanctions will be tightened to this a bit further and this is going to deter long term deals between american businesses businesses and russian businesses because of course this huge uncertainty there would need to be a risk premium for example for investors who are going to invest in russia if they thought that this investment could be deemed illegal down th

she didn't say russian separatists or russian supporters. she said, russia.u say the ute, that means -- you get it. let's get to jennifer griffin. this matters a lot. it matters to the whole world and i don't know why we can't get clarity. >> we reached out to marie harf to confirm what she said. she was talking about the russian military firing artillery across the border into ukraine. this should not come as any surprise because in recent weeks there have been russian fighter jets who have been accused of the ukraine government of firing from the air, firing on their fighter jets, the ukrainian military fighter jets. remember, there were two of those su-25's brought down by either antiaircraft fire or firing from russian planes flying into the vicinity. so russian planes have acrossed into ukrainian air space in recent weeks. this is not the first time the russians have been accused of actually crossing the border, not only with weapons but also firing across the border. >> you're on point as almost always. seems to me what is different here is the pentagon

>> russian system, russian weapon. >> who fired the missile?ratists fire it? >> vladimir putin already taking a defensive tone. >> he's

that's the russian government. the russian people. and international investors who all recognize that the russian economy has been severely damaged both by russian mismanagement and by our sanctions and threat of future sanctions. so i do think that we can point to real impact that we've had. i think it's a fair question that what point does this start to impact russian strategic calculations? and you are absolutely correct. i do think at this point, as tori has said, we've had some impact. but it's clear that their strategy remains the same. and that's why we're working so hard internally and with our friends and partners in europe and in the g-7 to make sure that when the time comes we have a very strong package of measures. i'm quite confident that at that time, we will have a strong package of measures and it will do severe damage to the russian economy. >> thank you for the time. i just want to close by saying that, again, i respect each of your service to our country. i know that each of you have to be somewhat disappointed in t

all this is in the russian media.his could be just reflexive, and putin himself has not moved, has not created a new policy instead of going on auto pilot, but again it's early in terms of the investigation all we've had is the u.s. side that suspects that the plane was shot down from the separatist side. once investigators do state an opinion, if that opinion is that the missile was fired by the separatist side or one of your earlier guests suggested that there might even be a more direct russia hand, i think that germany and italy will have to come on board. they'll have to side with harsh sanctions. >> we'll have to see how this all turns out. thanks for joining us, steve. >> thorough. >> much of the evidence can be found on the ground right in the middle of the debris field, but other key clues are coming from tens of thousands of miles away. i'm going to look at both coming up. @jvé real reporting from around the world. this is what we do. al jazeera america. >> the fbi and the national transportation board said

clearly it is russian equipment, russian developed, former soviet dwroped.ists in that part of the world. russian units have it, current in their inventory. it could easily be a part of ukraine military that could have been taken over by the separatists. >> but here's the question, would separatists that want, you know, independence in eastern y ukraine that are pro-russian in terms of their definition, would they do this if moscow hadn't said it was okay, or would they go rogue? >> i can't foresee any situation where anyone did this deliberately. it makes their situation ten times more violent, ten times more deadly. this isn't bringing the attention they want on their cause at the moment, no help from moscow, no help from kiev. whatever caused this to happen, it was most likely a j traic mistake. we've seen planes shot down seemingly by separatists in the last couple of weeks. you have to point the finger in that direction but whether this was purposefully done -- >> i want to make this point clear. you're talking about a very sophisticated missile as tom

obviously near the russian border. that is a hot zone during the war that is going on right now where the conflict between those two countries. it is difficult to know if that played a role at this point, but of course that is what people are looking for. 34,000 feet. if you want to think about it this way, a surface-to-air missle probably cannot take out a plan that far away. so what might have been, that is what they are looking at. we're going to go around the horn, let's start with geraldo rivera. >> the fact it is a malaysian airliner, the same as the infamously missing passenger jet in the indian ocean is a distraction. as a war correspondent weighing all the facts as they have come in, mid-to be this is my opini opinion. i believe vladimir putin as the blood of these airline passengers on his hands. the russian leader has been supplying increasingly sophisticated weaponry to the pro-russian anti-ukraine activist in eastern ukraine, there are reports sophisticated surface to air missiles have been spotted in that

government or the russian people well professor let me actually quote you here. if you writing your book that's russia's drinking problem is the product of essential lies that historically did botches and disempowers its own people how is that not passing judgment of the nature of the russian government was not passing judgment on the nature of the russian people its passing nature or guess judgment on the nature as you say of the russian government going back as an auditor to credit government for the past four hundred five hundred years does that include the current government afresh and i don't think it does quite as much one of the things you'll notice as you read throughout the book that the i don't say that there ironclad dynamics but the dynamics of vodka politics has certainly dwindled since the end of the soviet union and partly it is that especially in more recent years where russia has other financial instruments at their control they have quite a large surplus of oil and natural gas monies nowadays and so you have. so the importance of alcohol revenue

ukraine blamed the russian military. today, july 17th, accidentally it would now appear, best reporting we have, the same separatists claimed they were trying to shoot down a ukrainian military jet and instead killed 25 people in a passenger jet flying over over e airspace. >> this tragedy, the discussion turns into two different directions. one is air traffic control around the world. how does this happen a commercial jet flies over a very, very dangerous area where planes are getting shot down out of the sky. the second area this moves into, the discussion fairly quickly, what was vladmir putin's role in this? this missile system, if it was a missile, if the plane was shot down by the buk missile system, was given to ukraine by russia, does that somehow -- putin from responsibility for this or does it engage him directly in responsibility for this? and that international concern over the conflict in ukraine really escalates. way beyond all the incremental sanctioning that has been going on, the europeans are forced to

missile system, russian made missile system going from ukraine back across the russian border.ainly is not giving up on that russian story line, this russian narrative claiming that the ukrainians might still be responsible but it's the first time we've heard from a russian official at least open to the possibility that pro-russian rebels may have been responsible. >> shooting down a military jet versus a civilian jet. they are trying to piece together what happened on the ground. can they really do that given the hostile environment there? >> wolf, if the environment is secure, even if it's the rebels, if somebody there creates a perimeter and a safe place for them to work, they'll concentrate on what they need to do no matter how difficult. in a way right now you at least have good weather at the site. they've done these investigations hostile, weather can be hostile, they could be on a mountain top or bottom of an ocean. there are many situations that are very difficult. >> peter, you have been involved in a lot of investigations. we had breaking news this hour the pro-russi

that are russian-trained russian military that call themselves separatists. i think there's already compelling evidence that they thought they were shooting down again another ukrainian air transport aircraft. the other one was at 21,000 feet. this one -- this airliner was at 33,000 feet. directly loss of american lives here. and the president goes to a fundraiser? help me out. >> do you see this as part of what vladimir putin did in crimea? he has territorial ambitions in the ukraine and these russian separatists involved in the shooting down of these ukraine aircraft, military aircraft, were probably responsible. here you've laid out what some of the consequences should be, but it seems that our western european allies are incapable of joining us because of their need for ukrainian energy, right? >> right. and senator hoeven and brass laid out a plan where we can get that natural gas being flared in wyoming and north dakota and get it to europe and kiev so they can become energy independent. yes, the europeans -- well, i run out of adjectives as my disdain

and also russian support, how can it not have russian hands all over it?elligence committee members be demanding some answers from mr. putin tonight? >> they will be demanding some answers, absolutely, and the fact that putin hasn't come out or medvedev come out and said that this was a tragedy, but the same thing happened, ed, 30 years ago. in 1983, in september 1983, russia shot down a civilian aircraft, korean airlines that had 62 americans on it. they were murdered by russia, by the russian military. they denied the, ed, for two days. president reagan who was in his first term he said that it was murderous, that it was a massacre, but i will tell you, ed, the politics of this and you're going to get me mad when i say this, but barack obama should channel ronald reagan because let me tell you something, ronald reagan at that time was negotiating in switzerland to make sure that we got a nuclear arms deal, an arms control treaty that happened because he saw that was important and ronald reagan was attacked by the right wing. >> i have to challenge you on

flight 17 with 295 people on board crashed near the russian border where pro-russian-ukrainian rebels are battling to break away from ukraine. there are no survivors. just yesterday the rebels claimed responsibility for downing a ukrainian military jet, a ukrainian military transport plane was shot down on monday, but this evening the rebels who are backed by russiad nothing to do with today's crash of the airliner. this video captured the fire just moments after the malaysia airlines boeing 777 fell in pieces from the sky. smoke bill load from a village held by ukrainian rebels, about 25 miles from the russian border. wreckage, body parts and personal belongings were scattered over miles. flight 17 took off from amsterdam at 6:30 eastern time this morning bound for kuala lumpur malaysia. less than four hours into the flight, it disappeared from radar. the 295 people on board included 280 passengers and a crew of 15. some of their relatives gathered at airports in amsterdam and kuala lumpur where the plane hadbeen scheduled to land about 6:00 eastern time this evening. we have a team