participants know this, what we are seeing now is nothing compared to what would the fall the russian federation, the russian economy if russia's invasion were to go forward. to your point, i want to be clear about this. this is not about punishment. this is about deterrence. we are -- we are seeking to do everything we can in the prelude to what could be additional russian aggression to deter a russian invasion of ukraine. that is why it boots us to be crystal clear with the russian federation, let me rep. dent: about the severe cost and consequent as that would the fall him and this country if he were to go forward. it does not do us any good to pull punches, to be ambiguous or obscure and what we are talking about. we have been trying -- we have tried to be very clear about that. >> macron said that he would be talking to blood me put in on friday, is that helpful? could mixed messages be conveyed? based on what german officials are saying, germany has not authorized to the estonian transfer of artillery. his making that decision tantamount to not approving it because of the delay? the ukrain

are pointing to the fact that we have been very clear, both in public and in private with the russian federation, with the rajan -- russian in strategic dialogue, with the minister last week, with the russians in the nato council, yes, we have been very clear about the areas where we believe dialogue and diplomacy has the potential to enhance our collective security. we have also been clear about the areas that are nonstarter's, for us that would be fundamental violations of the founding principles of nato and other foundational security strengths that have enhanced unprecedented levels of security prosperity. you will have to ask the russians for their response once they see our written report of my but you are correct in one regard. there are areas where we are steadfastly interested in engaging in diplomacy and areas where for us it is nonnegotiable. reporter: i was talking to one of your colleagues from the white house. they said if it gets down to the place where you will close sanctions, the quote that we will start at the top of the escalation ladder and stay there, i am wondering if that

transparent with all of you just as we have conveyed this very clearly and consistently with the russian federation. >> there wasn't any implication of my question, but is there going to be anything in there the russians are not aware of? >> you will have to ask the russians when they see the response. >> it sounds as though there won't be anything in there that is a surprise, which means it is kind of a document that is a dead letter, right? >> if you are pointing to the fact that we have been very clear both in public and private with the russian federation, with the strategic stability dialogue, in secretary blinken's meeting with mr. lavrov last week, the context of the nato-russia council with the context of the organization for security and cooperation, yes, we have been very clear about the areas where we believe dialogue and diplomacy has the potential to enhance our collective security. we have also been very clear about areas for us that are nonstarters. that for us would be fun -- fundamentally violating the principles of security enhancements that have promoted unprecedented levels of s

the agenda is -- i give the floor to the representative of the russian federation. >> translator: [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: [speaking in native tongue] [speaking russian] [speaking russian] >> translator: -- frequently. furthermore, we frequently refuted, often consistently refuted. furthermore, the discussion proposed and topic is making this a classic example of megaphone diplomacy, working in public, for the public rather. there's a need all stated this frequently. we do not think this will help to bring this counsel together. rather, we fully understand that the desire of our american colleagues to whip up hysterics regarding its own situations, going to propose so-called russian active aggression is something that they want to do including within the security council from this roster. security council colleagues have been put in extremely difficult position. this this is a great harm. this hysterical to ukraine itself. the president of which as it has asked western countries a few days ago not to whip up hysterics regarding the deployment of russian troops near its bor

i do apologize. >> i thank the representative of the russian federation. i wish now then to remind all speakers again to limit their statements to no more than five minutes, in order to enable the council to carry out this work expeditiously. i now give the floor to the representative of ukraine. >> thank you, madam president, i would like to apologize that i may not be within the five minute limit, especially given the length of the russian intervention. i would like to express my gratitude to the norwegian presidency for calling this briefing of the security council. of the need of which i spoke exactly a fortnight ago with your excellency and the minister of norway. during our meeting here in new york. i expressed our thanks to the u.s., who as a member of the security council in close coordination with ukraine and partners, requested today's briefing. and of course, express our appreciation of the presentation by the undersecretary. it's the duty and need for the security council to be fully informed, in case of grave threats to international peace and

i now it is an integral part of the russian federation. in terms of expanding nato this is a very old debate that has been revived during the 30th anniversary of the collapse of the soviete union. what did the united states promised to go butch off in terms of naval expansion, there are a lot of scholars investing in this issue. but it appears and has been reinforced the united states made no promises about nato expansion toward eastern europe. we did did say we would not expand nato during the time of reunification. but that time hasas ended. there is no really written record that would suggest the united states and allies said there be no extension of nato. >> donald in north carolina, democratic color. >> good morning. thank you for c-span. i am very surprised over conversations forth months now the people on our side, the u.s., we talk about this until explained to we the people what's the difference between the situation that we have now where russia does not want adversaries parked next door. we have a situation which we had with cub

not only for the fact that you have your family and your rails and the relatives in which the russian federation should be important for obtaining the grounds for obtaining the russian citizenship. i also think that there is a number of our issues that should be dealt with and this work has not been finished yet. and now we're just trying to capitalize on what we agreed upon. at this stage, the president has approved our concession will keep working in order to improve conditions for obtaining the citizenship. and at the initiative of the russian president present putting of russia. a commission has been established in the framework of the united russia political party in order to provide our compatriots with all the types of assistance. and we of course also include those who want to relocate to the russian federation. and we will provide our compatriots all the necessary assistance in the framework of your 1st question so that they would be able to feel themselves comfortable in that all in the countries where they reside. now invited mascara to please have the floor, but you know, i beg your

, with the russian federation and the strategic stability dialog, with the russian federation with minister lavrov last week, the nato russian council, the context of the organization for security and cooperation in europe the osce we have been clear about the areas where we believe dialog and diplomacy has the potential to enhance our collective security and we've been clear about the areas that for us are just nonstarters. for us that would be fundamental violations of the founding principles of nato and other foundational security instruments that have protected, enhapsds, promoted, unprecedented levels of security, stability, prosperity, for the past 70 years. so you will have to ask the russians for their response once they see our written report, but you are correct in one regard. we have been clear and consistent about areas where diplomacy and dialog may be fruitful and areas where we are sincerely and steadfastly interested in engaging in that diplomacy and areas where it's a nonstarter. >> one of your colleagues at the white house on a background call said that if if it gets down

it is a sto to and the russian federation. it is a story to watch- — and the russian federation.ou - and the russian federation. it is a story to watch. thank you for - story to watch. thank you for joining us here on another snowy morning here in ukraine. all eyes around the world seem to be on this growing crisis with ukraine and no one is really certain what lies ahead, so many scenarios being discussed, whether there will be some kind of an incursion or whether this will continue to simmer on as a crisis, notjust in ukraine but in the region and beyond.- crisis, notjust in ukraine but in the region and beyond. thank you very much- _ the region and beyond. thank you very much- lyse _ the region and beyond. thank you very much. lyse doucet. - the region and beyond. thank you very much. lyse doucet. if- the region and beyond. thank you very much. lyse doucet. if you i the region and beyond. thank you i very much. lyse doucet. if you want more information, you can go to the bbc news website for lots more information. bbc news has been told that the senior british civil servant, s

i thank the representative of the russian federation. i res. now it than to again remind all speakers to limit their statement to no more than 5 minutes in order to enable the council to carry out this work expeditiously . i now give the floor to the representative of ukraine. oh, thank you madam president. i would like immediately to apologize that i may not be within the 5 minutes or limits, especially given the lengths of the russian intervention. i would like to express my gratitude to the norwegian presidency for calling this briefing of the security council of the needle, which i spoke exactly a fortnight ago with your excellency foreign minister of norway. during our meeting here in new york. i express our thanks to the us who as a member of the security council in close coordination with ukraine and partners requested to these roofing. and of course i express our appreciation of the presentation by under secretary decarlo. it's a duty and needs for the security council to be fully informed in case of grave threats to international peace

now that 2nd point there is something that nato, that the russian federal that the russian foreign minister reiterated was actually promised to russia back in 1990 back when the ussr was still around and soviet president, gorbachev was power back then nato promised the soviet the soviet president that nato would not expand past the odor river in europe. now, he also cited the east on bull and astonished declarations of the organization for security and cooperation in europe. now, these defined the boundaries within which a sovereign nation can decide what military alliance to be a part of he specifically talks about the point that you know, that cannot interfere with the security of another sovereign nation. let's take a listen to what sir. love rob said rebuttal, so use of the right to choose alliances is clearly conditioned by the need to take into account the security interests of any other o. s. c state including of course the russian federation. the principle by which one cannot strengthen one's security at the expense of the security of others is deliberately hushed up. labrador also

but the rescue feudal, if it depends on the russian federation, we don't want war. but we also won't allow interest to be violated. i can say that the negotiations are over with the americans and nato are studying at proposals like bell russian and russian troops will conduct joint military trills drills. next month, russia has been deploying extra troops and fighter jets to bela roost. international address, little russian president, alexander lucas shanker, said that hundreds of thousands of russian troops were ready to defend the country as you would at 29 yet dar another. so will there be war or not? yes, there will be. but only in 2 cases, if direct aggression is committed against belarus, if a hot war is on least against our bellow resource. and the 2nd possibility for to happen and for beller, is to take part in one is if our ally, the russian federation is directly attacked. if the same aggression is committed against the territory of the russian federation, west african leaders will be holding a virtual emergency meeting after the military coup in the keno f

there won't be a war as far as it depends on the russian federation. we don't want to war, but we won't let our interest be rudely traveled on and ignored. seeing that your goal is to change us with the u. s. has rejected all the russian security proposals for the last 2 or 3 years. now they're putting the same things on the table. in other words, they're borrowing from recent russian initiatives. this is something, at least one of moscow's strongest allies, and a neighbor to the north has reiterated its support for russia and says that the 2 countries are only interested in self defense. but would you put in linear? so will there be a war nod? yes, there will be, but only in 2 cases, if direct aggression is committed against bella rule, obviously for hot war is a least against our bellows. and the 2nd possibility of war to happen, and for bell ruth, to take part in atlanta, is for our ally. the russian federation is directly attacked if the same aggression is committed against the territory of the russian federation. russia and bellow roosts are due to

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the representative on the russian federation, i gave the floor to the representative on the us thank you very much, madam president. as kelly stated, we have call for this meeting and we've call for this meeting because of what we have all witness over the course of the past few months in terms of the actions of the russian federation on the territory of on the border with ukraine. they indicate that it's in their own territory, but it is also very close to their neighbors border. ah, it's a neighbor that has been invaded already before. it's a neighbor that has russian troops occupying their territory. we have had numerous meetings over a 100 meetings, over the course of the past few weeks, both with russian officials and in consultations with our european and ukrainian colleagues. all of these meetings have been in private. we think it's now time to have a meeting in public and have this discuss in a public forum. we have worked with the ukrainians not at their request to provide assistance to them so that they can prepare for what they see as inevitable . including having provided

if you go, there won't be a war as far as it depends on the russian federation. we don't want to war, but we won't let our interests be rudely trampled on and ignored you that your goal is to change. possibly. the u. s. has rejected all the russian security proposals for the last 2 or 3 years. now they're putting the same things on the table. in other words, they're borrowing from recent russian initiatives. this is something, at least in the battle, russia and russia amenities will conduct joint drills. next month. russia has been deploying extra soldiers and find the jets to its neighbor and ally, you know, national address, but a russian president, alexander lucas shank has said, hundreds of thousands of russian troops who are ready to defend the country, which is not a linear di and so will there be war or not? yes, there will be. but only in 2 cases, if direct aggression is committed against feller is if a hot war is on least against al valerie. and the 2nd possibility for to happen and for beller, is to take part in is if our ally, the russian federation is

when there were drills in the russian federation, there was a big build up. we were supported by the us europeans called on russia to pull back . i don't think the situation is more intense than that time and early 2021. there was no such coverage of ukraine at that time. earlier, russian president vladimir putin told his friend counterpart, he doesn't want that situation to escalate, but he also accused the united states and nato, of ignoring moscow's main security concerns like the alliances expansion. meanwhile, nato secretary general young, stolen bug, was the russian aggression, could take many different forms, such as a cyber attack, attempted coup or sabotage. we have actually decided that that's not an attack in cyberspace configured article 5. and therefore, we are ready to respond. but that can be in cyberspace, but it can also be in an older domain algebra child drops and begins al coverage. now from dawn, boston east and ukraine, which is controlled by pro russia that protests ukraine's president vladimir zalinski has been speaking to the media. b

what does the russian federation expect from this visit to them? we got the room. oh, certainly sir. and indeed, we are preparing an official at the summit, get those coopers young portrait in official russia china summit, and upon the invitation of presidency, jump in your present, put in that we'll visit later in on the 4th of february, on the day of the opening ceremony, of the winter olympics in bay jean, this is also the day that that full fledged negotiation between the 2 leaders will take place with respect to the machine. the negotiations will cover all of the ac spark, some collateral relations. they have a very busy agenda ahead of them. the unique architecture of their belie shore ties feel it's really unique. we do not have a such level of relationship with other countries that move we have and you should some minutes. annual meetings of the heads of governments received on you and to clean your meetings of 5 commissions at the level of all that is weis premier ministers. luckily that prepared the meetings off their heads of governments. oh we're so goo

and we do believe strongly believe that this is in the fall concert, not only of the russian federation, but also europeans. we don't want to to petition the story of the double decision on my to someone to align and to move out of the shooters conflict in europe. but i think that in this case, of course, you is a source and not to allow this kind of scenario to be repeat that again in the common security situation that i keep telling him with the special genius the us alex, on the record issue. okay. those are the top or suppor, concordia. com has some questions about your country in us. can sing it when it is up at night. a lot of the situation there and my name is up experts a vacation day can of course it talks if that works blowing nature have you talked about today? you should in your per diem of knowledge, a space on a, on your i see the cia relations with russia and to what can i do? yeah, thank you. on more promotional tissues latch for another deal. well, as we can see, your 2nd question check here knows what should be done that you can get for shall see, showing us he didn't

that were declared as containment and deterrence of the russian federation and china. we see continuous attempts to artificially expand nato to drag such countries as the a crane into it. we've recently heard very interesting statements coming from the nato leaders from their united states. that to the scandinavian countries that are not part of nato will be welcome to join. so now they are trying to artificially tempt to those countries to artificially expand nato. and to this, sir alliance after the cold war after the treaty of war, so has no purpose, but to the attempts to artificially expanded are continuing in december, as you are well aware, we have provided the nato members and the u. s. with draft documents, the draft treaty on security guarantees between russia and the u. s. and the draft agreement on ensuring security between the russian federation and nato countries. as we have highlighted several times, these documents a common package and seek to exclude any further eastward expansion of nato and the deployment of a threatening weapon systems close to our

in order to push responsibility away, the russian federation on the gas from have always been very reliable partners from hungary when it comes to the supply of, of natural gas. all the contracts have been respected and the schedule was respected. the volumes arrived always on time, and as far as i understand, no one in europe complains about about why elating contract by gas from so what we can say is that gas from the russian federation respects the contracts which were assigned between european countries, european companies, and russia and gas from maybe this is not the most sophisticated sentence you ever hear from a politician on energy or gas supply. but our understanding is that the, the more pipelines the better it has been an our agenda as well to, to see how we can further increase the number of those who get the vaccination. because we do consider that as the only solution for the crisis we in hungary have a very clear experience. more than 6000000 hungarians have been vaccinated. we have been using 6 different types of vaccines, including including sino farm and for western type

one mirror and the draft agreement on ensuring security when you look between the russian federation and nato countries, sheriffs lawsuit, but as we have highlighted several times, these documents common package and seek local to utilize machines clued any further eastward expansion of nato and the deployment of a threatening weapon systems close to our borders. on the 10th of january in geneva, motion recalls we had to talk where for our american counterparts and on the 12th of january. through church, there was a meeting with the participation off for nato countries and russian delegation in brussels. oh no you miss. we have emer particular she talk soon about the need to focus on the need to so top expansion of want military block to the detriment of the interest of other countries. europe, i guess that you have been following the very detailed coverage of these events and motion. the interviews given by the representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs and the ministry of defense official numbers in the unit. i would like to reiterate that we need legally binding guarantees

bill the russian federation.ou the trendlines behind the headlines. until the next time, from me, zeinab badawi, and the rest of the global questions team, thank you to my panel and to the audience here. until next time, goodbye. applause. hello. it looks like the weather is taking part in dryjanuary — no significant rain on the way this weekend, nor indeed until at least the start of next week. there isn't going to be a huge amount of this either — blue sky and sunshine this weekend. cloud increased in the west on friday, looks like it is cloud that is going to win out across most places as the weekend goes on. temperatures edge a little bit higher. you'll notice that most in northern ireland and scotland, especially in northern scotland. so what's going on? high pressure close by, that is why we are having a lot of dry weather. around it, bringing in a lot of cloud from the atlantic. it does limit the extent and severity of frost as saturday starts. a touch of it in north—east scotland, patchy in wales and engl

of europe as a whole, including russia. anita wants to create military footholds around the russian federation to dominate urine, sylvia and as you heard her sick, a love rog, outlining the needs of russia, russia's position and saying that there wants to be an outcome out of this that it is non violent. but it is say that hydro say categorically does not accept. and any appearance of nate, so bases on russian borders is of course i would like to stop by expansion and dragging as they said, countries like ukraine in to nato lover of. but as far as to say that washington niece ne, so as you keep countries under its influence in the west, as regards to the actions facilitating that and supporting a, a bloody color revolution as it were near russia course are talking about that's a revolution in ukraine and made done, and he said that the west like to think that they are the keep as human rights here . but when it comes to things like a made and revolution, as they call it, simply a diplomatic process, a little bit of a touch on the what is a perceived m a pot chrissy, their laughter of did i als

so what we can say is that gas from the russian federation, respect the contracts which were assigned between european countries, european companies, and russia and gas from maybe this is not the most sophisticated sentence you ever hear from a politician or pipelines, the better it hasn't been an our agenda as well to, to see how we can further increase the number of those who get the vaccination because we do consider that as the only solution for the crisis we in hungary have a very clear experience. more than 6000000 hungarians have been vaccinated, we have been using 6 different types of vaccines, including including sino farm and for western types of vaccines. pfizer ross was gonna come with the youngs and so we have a very colorful experience. i do believe that the fact that has not been recognized by the international organizations is a purely political issue. you know, when i, when i talk to western european colleagues of mine, they always tell me that, well, they all know that the, the russian scientific community is out standing. they all know that the russian medical solut

there are two paths for the russian federation.s a path of defense and deterrence. just as we would very much prefer the former, we have spent the better part of the last two months working with our allies and partners to make very clear to the russian federation that if they are not willing to engage in substantive diplomacy towards that end goal of de-escalation, we will be ready with a path of defense and deterrence. again, that is not something we want to pursue but it is something we are ready to pursue if we don't see the same sincere and steadfast commitment on the part of the russian federation to diplomacy. >> we know there are continuing talks this week, but was there any concrete commitment by russia to meet bilaterally again? >> hallie, let me make a couple of points. we go in expecting to reach any breakthroughs today. there is a foremost principle in our mind: nothing about them without them. not about nato without nato, nothing about europe without europe, nothing about ukraine without ukraine. we have done more than

yes, we should proceed if it depends on the russian federation. we don't want war, but we also want allow interest to be violated. i can say that the negotiations are over, the americans and nato are studying proposals. bell, a russian and russian forces will conduct a joint military rules. next month, russia has been deploying extra troops and fighter jets to bellows international address. the bella russian president, alexander lucas shanker, said. hundreds of thousands of russian troops were ready to defend the country, which is not a linear dock. and so will there be war or not? yes, there will be. but only in 2 cases, if direct aggression is committed against feller is if a hot war is on least against out, valerie. and the 2nd possibility for to happen and for beller, is to take part in. if our ally, the russian federation is directly attacked, if the same aggression is committed against the territory of the russian federation, national. okay, that's the diplomatic story. out of the east of a story from the west. let's go to paris and correspon

mom you see are relations with the russian federation. and with all countries will be based on common interests on fruitful interaction. one that will lead to results and what we feel is that today our foreign relations match our principles, the main principles that we do not want to gain dominance over other countries on and are not ready to be dominated by the countries. this is the principal wants, shouldn't oppress others and shouldn't be suppressed while the country. therefore, after the victory of the islamic revolution, we develop the principle that iran should be an independent states. and today, our ties. will russia lie in the fact that russia wants to be in, in atlanta, in the states? and we see that it's under attack from the west and from americans for those countries that want to be independent to being attacked by enemies. when you want to be independent, of course, you will be attacked by those countries that want to dominate, as americans don't want to have independent states in the world. they want to turn these country

consider further nato expansion to the east and weapons deployment, which can threaten the russian federation. unacceptable. one expert on the region warns that can only be a compromise if russia tables a new proposal, something that's more palatable to nato. the best compromise would come in russia, put something else on the table that the west was willing and able to provide. if russia looks at the general state of unity between europe and the united states, if it looks the kind of economic pleasures that have been promised in case of an incursion and decided that cost worth it, that the need to maintain business and economic ties to europe it's important enough for where russia wants to be in the future that jeopardizing that isn't worth which some experts believe that president putin may not have decided yet whether he's going to invade ukraine. the 1st meeting of the un security council on the current crisis is expected on monday, and russia were looking for the support of china. and that's why some diplomats believe the russians may wait to launch military action until the event that ch

are relations with the russian federation won't be short term. these will be relations and corporation on a solid basis, mutually beneficial and in favor of the 2 countries and their people. and we are working to ensure that our relations become stable and strategic so they can guarantee our future interaction. therefore, in this regard, we have the strategic document in the making aim for a 20 year perspective. that is a comprehensive document. it includes all areas of corporation and it can determine the prospect for all the participants in echo mac and market activities in the field of technology, defense and source, and eat on viscosity. puzzle. firm. broad procedures care the common pro. forgetting hellish about the strategic document, your agreement going with the russia, the rod, how close lives corporation, what will be and that, what should be expect for you or gigi? a line here between russia and the ra m 30 gauges. go, say user revenue, mom. you see a relations with the russian federation and with all countries will be based on common

intended to ensure security in europe, in general, in all european countries, including the russian federation regime for the position of the united states and its in isis is about 0, rich to dominate enduro. and they want to create food holds military food holds around dress shannon really wants to create irritants for us around our soldiers. i was following on from the question of a military reaction or military presence in reaction to nato's movements in the east laughed. rob said that russia is ready for any action or from the west. what a military action is, something that he wishes to avoid. he wants to seek a outcome that will suit both sides and pretty much get around any violin. so he wants respects for both sides. he wants both sides needs to be respected. however, he did say that if ukraine doesn't join it made so the u. s. continues with their movements in the east and plus any military base is or any striking missiles in b, c, of as, of and there will be a reaction from, from moscow. you said that, that, that constitutes a red line. now that red line has been something of a buzzwo

if you get out there won't be a war as far as it depends on the russian federation. we don't want a war, but we won't let our interests be rudely trampled on and ignored your thoughts. you're a girl, is it? shouldn't you possibly knew the u. s. has rejected all the russian security proposals for the last 2 or 3 years. now they're putting the same things on the table. in other words, they're borrowing from recent russian initiatives. this is something, at least a russian and russian troops will conduct joint military drills. next month, russia has been deploying extra troops and fighter jets to bela roost. international addressed by the russian president, alexander lucas shanker said that hundreds of thousands of russian troops were ready to defend his country. that would have 20000000 yet dot on the road. so will there be war or not? yes, there will be. but only in 2 cases, if direct aggression is committed against bell earth. if a hot war is on least against our bellows. and the 2nd possibility for to happen, if a beller is to take part in one is if our ally, the ru

that is to say, we want to pursue all of these areas together with the russian federation in full coordinationh our partners and allies. precisely because making progress in these areas would be positive on american national security, transatlantic security, and also if done if good faith, help address the stated concerns in moscow. >> certainly could. we did get the clearest time line yet of a possible russian invasion from the deputy secretary of state, wendy sherm an, today. she said likely between now and the middle of february. is the window closing for the u.s. to commit to stronger deterrence? >> well, when it comes to the time frame. there's only one person who knows that with any certainty and that's vladimir putin and i don't think he's made any announcements. at least not that i've heard. even as we are pursuing these paths of dialogue and diplomacy, that has not stopped us from moving forward with defense and deterrence. it is not either/or. we are pursuing both of these simultaneously knowing that they are interconnected. when it comes to defense and deterrence, what are we doing

the war in ukraine and actually the war in georgia was one of the answers of russian federation to thebsence of action from nato. if we became a nato member ten years ago, i think that today right now will be another one, another action. so what is the problem? or to membership first of all? it's about reforms. yes we have to achieve a lot of , conditions, a lot of indicators that should make us closer to nato center. however, as you know, the membership action plan was in before this in the conference, 1999. other countries was -- well, became a member without any membership action plan. and if you compare ukraine 2008 to 2022, this is two different countries. we did a lot through this 13 years and we actually do a lot -- did a lot of reforms. this what i am talking about with our partners, that we need quite concrete least of -- list of indicators what should be done for the next step. and actually this list it's a , map. because maps consist of analytical programs. these smaller list of indicators are requirements that should be achieved. and i'm not talking about the membership of

if you go, there won't be a war as far as it depends on the russian federation. we don't want to war, but we won't let our interests be rudely trampled on and ignored that your goal is to change. the password in the u. s. has rejected all the russian security proposals for the last 2 or 3 years. now they're putting the same things on the table. in other words, they're borrowing from recent russian initiatives. this is something, at least the battle russian and russian murphy as me, moll conduct joint drills next month. russia has been deploying extra soldiers and find to jet, to do it, to its neighboring ally international address. hello, russian president alexander shanker, said, hundreds of thousands of russian troops were ready to defend the country, which is not a linear di. and so will there be war or not? yes, there will be. but only in 2 cases, if direct aggression is committed against feller is if a hot war is on least against our valerie. and the 2nd possibility for to happen and for beller, is to take part in money is if our ally, the russian federation

when there were drills in the russian federation, there was a big build up. we were supported by the us europeans called on russia to pull back . i don't think the situation is more intense than that time in early 2021. there was no such coverage of ukraine at that time. earlier russian president vladimir putin told his french counterpart, he does not want the situation to escalate any further, but he also accused the united states and nato, of ignoring moscow's main security concerns like the alliances expansion. meanwhile, nato sector, general young stoughton bug warn that russian aggression could take many different forms, such as a cyber attack, attempted coup or sabotage. we have actually decided that not to not an attack in cyberspace configured article 5, and therefore, we are ready to respond. but that can be in cyberspace, but can also be in an older domain algae era. charles stratford begins out coverage now from dawn. bass and east and ukraine, which is controlled by pro russia separatists. ukraine's president vladimir zalinski has been speaking to

a set of measures that would go into effect swiftly and have enormous implications for the russian federation in the event of russian aggression. so to equate or to put on the same plane what we are seeing from moscow and what we are seeing from the united states and kyiv and berlin and paris and brussels and across europe, that is precisely what the propaganda, what the disinformation, what the misinformation emanating from moscow would like for us to believe. but you take an honest examination of the defensive steps we're doing, what we are doing to prevent conflicts, the fact that we are sincerely and steadfastly pursuing the path of dialogue and diplomacy just as we are engaging this in defense and deterrence, and i think you see that these two things are not on an equal plane. question: but just -- do you think that the use -- or do you concede that the use of words like "imminent" above and beyond everything that you've just described may not be helpful and may cause panic, and seems to be causing panic in ukraine in particular? mr price: i do not think us voicing our concerns regarding

if the same aggression is committed against the territory of the russian federation. as we reported a few moments ago, the president of france is speaking to vladimir putin. russia's president. let's go live that paris alters here as the touch of butler is that what do we know about what the 2 leaders are saying in the school? what we understand from the elite say is the french president to manual michael really has to main aims with this call. the 1st one is to try an appeal person a to the russian president vladimir putin, to take the path of diplomacy and not the path of conflict of the 2nd one is to try and make sure that he gets from vladimir putin. if you like, an understanding of what rushes intentions are with his build up of troops on that border that, that be more transparency for moscow. now we understand that micro make it very clear to us vladimir putin, that if russia was to attack ukraine, they would be very severe consequences. and the european allies and all western allies are on the same page when it comes to that. the initiative of the school we und

will with regards to security arrangements from outlining the systemic view of the russian federation. on how to count as opposed to you in the sphere of a european security blob. was for sure. today's mean title. she'll fuck that up. her daughter will. you know you got that. so i was devoted to analyzing sort of one of the, all the factors that lead to the degradation of european security we've seen over the last year. it was more than one of those meetings that are, she's been said here, which what's possible, but there's no thanks to that thrashing initiative and we are very grateful to the secretary general hughes quickly to go south for supporting the holding of this meeting. he was global way in, which is our delegation also included a frame you and military officials. not sure, i'm not gonna be headed by mr. foreman, and this part of delegation presented with it's ideas on how to promote to serve you young at the security of what all states. yes, it was apostrophe, go and look up as a new the russian security interest storage. you still have festival with one of the systemic fa