any ceremonies any communions with this church who they have now officially split with the russian orthodox church does not accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is schism and its leaders are the leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the canonical field of decision has been made to drop to full communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers were they in any way be affected or i think it's going to cause a lot of confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage one priest father mike tyson who's worked in west virginia for fifteen years has even switched churches in the wake of the schism he was he's left his patriarch of constantinople parish switching to a russian church he says this is supporting being in solidarity with the ukrainian orthodox church and now in the bigger picture here tensions have been

was the reaction of the russian orthodox church being what it's for going to total breakdown between the russian church and the concerned local church the patriarch at has rejected this decision they've said they've had authority over the king of the church since about the seventeenth century and they have said that they're triggering a schism with the church they're banning their followers from attending any sort of congregation celebration ceremony with the church of constantin ople quite harsh words coming here let's take a listen the russian orthodox church does not accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is schism and its leaders are the leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the canonical field of decision has been made to drop to full communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism. and for those people who just let go to church for the winter what does this mean for them a lot of confusion of course of followers on the ground in all countries it's seen by

orthodox church is made up of fifteen different churches and autocephaly effectively means these churches have their own independence self governance and jurisdiction they're independent from any sort of head patriarch now the russian orthodox church has for centuries had all thirty over the key of church they've presided over one united church called the ukrainian orthodox church moscow patriarchate that's the way it's been since the seventeenth century this was the only officially recognized congregation in the country there are those political or religious factions who've been pushing for quite a long time for ukraine to get its own independent ukrainian orthodox church and indeed president poroshenko leader of ukraine has expressed support for this idea saying this is as important as the ukraine joining e.u. and even nato. autocephaly is the most important event from the same serious as our aspiration to join the u.n. nato the association agreement a visa free regime with the e.u. withdrawal from the c.i.s. rejection of the deceptive treaty and friendship with russia etc all this is the basis of our all my way of development development of ukraine. as i understand the situation inside ukraine not that simple le

that autonomy that independence as well this is very much angered the moscow patriarch the russian orthodox church doesn't accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is schism and its leaders are the leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the economical field it decision has been made to rupture food communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers were they in any way be affected or i think it's going to cause a lot of. confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage in the bigger picture here tensions have been rising since about twenty fourteen there have been dozens of attacks since then by ukrainian nationalists orthodox churches aligned with moscow they view them as enemies of ukraine as effectively tools of the kremlin in terms of church property there may be conflicts as well the moscow aligned church ow

pens and jurisdiction now the russian orthodox church for centuries has had rule over the key of orthodox church have been political and religious factions in the country which a very long time pushed for a independent ukrainian orthodox church to be established indeed the president of ukraine petro poroshenko has been a supporter of this he's implied that the creation of this church is just as important to ukraine's independence and rebirth as joining the e.u. or nato autocephaly is the most important event from the same serious as our aspiration to join the un nato the association agreement a visa free regime with the e.u. withdrawal from the c.i.s. rejection of the deceptive treaty and friendship with russia etc all this is the basis of our all new way of development development of ukraine so this is going to happen it's going to come easily it's quite a complicated situation in ukraine is that yes there's more than one orthodox church in ukraine apart from the main one recognized officially as part of the moscow patriarchate there are also two other churches now they broke away in the

and have independence from any sort of head patriarch now the russian orthodox church has for many years had jurisdiction over here they've had a joint church called the ukrainian all through moscow patriarchate and that's the only officially recognized orthodox church in ukraine but there are factions in the country political. religious have long been pushing for an independent ukrainian shirts indeed president of petro poroshenko of ukraine has been a supporter of that stating this is as important to the country as joining the e.u. and nato. certainly is the most important event from the same serious as our aspiration to join the u.n. nato the association agreement a visa free regime with the e.u. withdrawal from the c.i.s. rejection of the deceptive treaty and friendship with russia etc all this is the basis of our own way of development development of ukraine to talk about divorces so there's going to be a mess you want a simple situation you guys were i mean apart from this main church which is recognized in ukraine there are also two other churches now these broke away from the mai

on reestablishing religious faith as one of the country's principal identities sorry the russian orthodox church has been on a huge expansion drive in the past ten years the number of dioceses has doubled and ten thousand churches being built. it's exacerbated by human resource problem many more churches not enough ballerinas automated systems are an obvious solution but some people say they lack the soul and spirituality of the human touch like at this church school in moscow where featuring is being trained. as robots will never replace a human soul for me it was also discovered that each spring implies a praying glory to father glory to song and when we read the same time as i found out it's certainly something that requires skill ok i've just been given a brief lesson and what i've been told is my right hand controls the for hire bells by the left hand controls and middle bells on my foot down here trolls the boss about so let's give it a go. and if you go and coordination lens has about rhythm as well. but it's not just small churches that are automating it simpy to birds huge sit isaac's c

the list church bell ringing or a challenge reports on how recent expansion of the rotten russian orthodox church has left at relying on machines. a small modern church in a village outside st petersburg and people have gathered for a morning service for time immemorial russia's orthodox faithful have been called by bells rung by a person and yukito is not a human ringing it's a computer for a growing number of russian churches this makes a lot of sense. school. but there aren't many schools for bell ringers in russia and not many people study it that's why it's such a rare profession and so difficult to find a decent ring you know every village can afford to have a star this is a good quality ringing in any church even in a small village like. the officially atheist communist years when many churches were closed and bells silenced were followed by the uncertainties of the post soviet era but now the kremlin has settled on reestablishing religious faith as one of the country's principal identities sorry the russian orthodox church has been on a huge expansion drive in the past ten years the numbe

russia when you saw what happened a few weeks ago with ukrainian orthodox church for example they're demanding independence from the russian orthodox church precisely because the ukrainian people are needed because of russia's invasion of ukraine and killing ukrainians so that they've lost the goodwill of ukrainian people which have been there for centuries so it's a major loss for russia really do you see any role for a military response in this i don't see any any desire by anybody to fight against russia to retake this territory the ukrainians cannot and should not do that there is no desire in the west to do that but what we need to do is to deter further russian advances as being too costly and to you know useless for them in order to create the conditions for a negotiation to reestablish peace and restore the territory reducing do you realistically expect the terrorists there's a big relief to be stopped if you talk about deterring russia from further expansion. my reading of the situation is that once russia has that bit of ukraine it will be happy that this is what it once said it's got it now and no i don't think

driven by popular anger at the russian orthodox church's support of vladimir putin and his military interventionany of the 12,000 churches here affiliated to the moscow patriarch it, this split has been traumatic. father nikolai's faculties began a year ago. “— father nikolai's faculties began a year ago. —— difficulties. father nikolai's faithful now gather in the living room of his home. chanting as they have through thick and thin, in soviet times. and in the 27 years of a free, independent ukraine. the concern is that you are not loyal to ukraine if you follow the ba rt loyal to ukraine if you follow the bart couprie. —— moscow patriarchate. father nikolai and her leaner and not only proud of being ukrainian, their own son pavlov fought against russian backed rebels in the east of ukraine. you say they blame you for what is happening in the east, do you think that russia is doing the right thing in the east? at the other end of the country, in the east, ukraine is still at war. large swathes of territory are held by russian backed rebels and i am being driven to the frontline, where a shaky

since most likely it's statements about the ukrainian orthodox church are motivated by something more than just spiritual goals. and chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it is the third time constantinople has talked about granting autonomous powers for national churches but there is still no clues in sight also stressed that separation is something orthodox believers do not actually want on october constantinople overturned a centuries old act of union to sever ties between kiev and moscow then both of the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople or to you got the thoughts of a professor of church history. you create him go and is really you know like trying to force the no nickel bishops on canonical church to participation in various quote unquote. unification so paul farhi of this procedure for a series of structures here was to threaten with confiscation of churches and monasteries and they started to pull this plan into life with which i. always chose one of the most respected small mysteries in the ukraine we could go on now is the day break their agreement. will no

since most likely it's statements about the ukrainian orthodox church are motivated by something more than just spiritual goals. a chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it's the third time constantinople is talked about granting autonomous powers for national churches but there's still no conclusion in starlight he also stressed the separation is something orthodox believe it don't actually want anyway you know constantinople overturned a centuries old acts of union to sever ties between kiev the moscow then both the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople it's complicated he got the thoughts of a professor of church history and what's really happening in ukraine in goldman is really in a way trying to force canonical bishops uncanonical church to participation in this quote unquote council of unification so offered of this procedure for series of structures or was to threaten with confiscation of churches or monasteries and they started to pull discipline into life with which arabs or witches one of the most respected monasteries in the ukraine we could go to break thei

most likely it's statements about the ukrainian orthodox church are motivated by something more than just spiritual goals well the chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it is the third time constantinople has talked about granting a thomas powers for national churches but still no conclusion in sight he also stressed the separation is something orthodox believers don't actually want the breakaway crisis started last month when ukraine started pushing for its independence constantinople then overturned a centuries old act of the union to sever ties between the churches in kiev and moscow know both the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople i spoke to a professor of church history who believes the government is forcing the church to separate ukrainian go and is really really trying to force the new nickel bishops uncanonical church to produce patient members quote unquote council unification so off mark of this pursuit of bursaries or structures or was to threaten with confiscation of churches and monasteries and started to pull discipline into life which arabs always cho

since most likely it's statements about the ukrainian orthodox church are motivated by something more than just spiritual goals the chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it's the third time constantinople talked about granting autonomous powers for national churches but the still no conclusion in sight it went on to stress the separation is something orthodox believers don't actually want the breakaway crisis started last month when ukraine's government started pushing for the church's independence constantinople there and overturned a centuries old act of union to sever ties between kiev and moscow both the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople r.t. got the thoughts of a professor of church history to try to get to the bottom of what's happening here . goldman is really in a way trying to force canonical bishops and canonical church to produce vision quote unquote of unification so profitable. proceed your first series of structures here was to threaten with confiscation of churches and monasteries and they started to pull this plan into life all with which i. always c

does this have anything to do with the split between the ukrainian and russian russian orthodox churches is does that come into this this at all. yes of course because it's the sort of jewel in the crown in the collapse of russian soft power russian influence in ukraine. the whole problem that russia has today is that russian policies towards ukraine russian aggression towards ukraine has undermined that's of power it's rebounded to back against putin and so for example today our next year's elections no progress in candor that could can win and even get to the second round and no progress report he can win a majority in the ukrainian parliament why because sixteen percent of ukrainian voters twenty seven election districts are under russian occupation in the dumb bastard and crimea that's putting one's fault so putin's own own policies towards ukraine are preventing what he would like to happen in ukraine which is pro russian people. coming back to power so he's very frustrated with the way ukraine is going to play with poroshenko was pretty frank was initiating the including of nato an

most likely it's statements about the ukrainian orthodox church are motivated by something more than just spiritual goals. well the chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it's the third time constantinople has talked about giving up thomas powers for national churches but still there is no conclusion in the site he also stressed that separation is something orthodox believers don't actually want well the breakaway crisis started last month when ukraine began pushing for its independence constantinople then overturned a centuries old act of union to sever ties between key of moscow both the russian and ukrainian churches then responded in turn to cut away from constantinople well to get a little bit more on this story we cross live telling sundered to work in a professor of church history based in moscow welcome to the program i suppose firstly in layman terms what does this separation mean and how will it work. between between canonical or who church. is magic's is that is that what you mean exactly. there was a r r there was a group of four. bishops some priests who. really stick and very tried to make their car

does this have anything to do with the split between the ukrainian and russian russian orthodox churches is does that come into this this is a tool. yes of course because it's the sort of jewel in the crown in the collapse of russian soft power russian influence in ukraine. the whole problem that russia has today is that russian policies towards ukraine russian aggression towards ukraine has undermined that of power it's rebounded to back against putin and so for example today our next year's elections no progress in candor that could can win and even get to the second round and no progress from party can win a majority in the ukrainian parliament why because sixteen percent of ukrainian voters twenty seven election districts are under russian occupation in the dumb bastard and crimea that's putting means fault so putin's own own policies towards ukraine are preventing what he would like to happen in ukraine which is pro russian people. coming back to power so he's very frustrated with the way ukraine is going to play with poroshenko was perfect was initiating the including of nato and e

does this have anything to do with the split between the ukrainian and russian russian orthodox churches is does that come into this this at all. yes of course because it's the sort of jewel in the crown in the collapse of russian soft power russian influence in ukraine. the whole problem that russia has today is that russian policies towards ukraine russian aggression towards ukraine has undermined that's of power it's rebounded to back against putin and so for example today our next year's elections no progress in candor that could can win and even get to the second round and no progress from party can win a majority in the ukrainian parliament why because sixteen percent of ukrainian voters twenty seven election districts are under russian occupation in the dumb basque and crimea that's putting one's fault so putin's own own policies towards ukraine are preventing what he would like to happen in ukraine which is pro russian people. coming back to power so he's very frustrated with the way ukraine is going to play with poroshenko was pretty frank was initiating the including of nato an

on reestablishing religious faith as one of the country's principal identities sorry the russian orthodox church has been on a huge expansion drive in the past ten years the number of dioceses has doubled and ten thousand churches being built. it's exacerbated by human resource problem many more churches not enough ballerinas automated systems are an obvious solution but some people say they lack the soul and spirituality of the human touch like at this church school in moscow where featuring is being trained. as robots will never replace a human so for me it was also discovered that each brain glory to father glory to song and when living with prayed the same time as i found out it's certainly something that requires skill ok i've just been given a brief lesson and what i've been told is my right hand controls the for hire bells by the left hand controls and middle bells and my foot down here trolls the boss about so let's give it a go. and if you go and. lens has about rhythm as well. but it's not just small churches that automating at sim petersburg's huge sin isaac's cathedral they say the m

on reestablishing religious faith as one of the country's principal identities sorry the russian orthodox church has been on a huge expansion drive in the past ten years the number of dioceses has doubled and ten thousand churches being built. it's exacerbated by human resource problem many more churches not enough ballerinas automated systems are an obvious solution but some people say they lack the soul and spirituality of the human touch like at this church school in moscow where featuring is being trained. will never replace a human soul for me it was also discovered that each crane glory to father glory to song and one who prayed the same time. as i found out it's certainly something that requires skill ok i've just been given a brief lesson and what i've been told is my right hand controls the for hire bells by the left hand controls and middle bells on my foot down here trolls the boss and both so let's give it a guy. has about rhythm as well. but it's not just small churches that automating at sim petersburg's huge sin isaac's cathedral they say the mobile phone operated system has been

on reestablishing religious faith as one of the country's principal identities sorry the russian orthodox church has been on a huge expansion drive in the past ten years the number of dioceses has doubled and ten thousand churches being built. it's exacerbated by human resource problem many more churches not enough ballerinas automated systems are an obvious solution but some people say they lack the soul and spirituality of the human touch like at this church school in moscow where featuring is being trained. as robots will never replace a human soul for me it was also discovered that each bringing praying glory to father glory to song and one with the same time as i found out it's certainly something that requires skill ok i've just been given a brief lesson and what i've been told is my right hand controls the for hire bells by the left hand controls and middle bells and my foot down here trolls the boss about so let's give it a guy. has about rhythm as well. but it's not just small churches that automating at same petersburg's huge sin isaac's cathedral they say the mobile phone operated sys

on reestablishing religious faith as one of the country's principal identities sorry the russian orthodox church has been on a huge expansion drive in the past ten years the number of dioceses has doubled and ten thousand churches being built. it's exacerbated the human resource problem many more churches not enough belding is automated systems are an obvious solution but some people say they lack the soul and spirituality of the human touch like at this church school in moscow where featuring is being trained. a robot will never replace a human soul for me it was also discovered that each spring implies a praying glory to father glory to song and one with the same time as i found out it's certainly something that requires skill. ok i've just been given a brief lesson and what i've been told is my right hand controls the for hire bells by the left hand controls and middle bells on my foot down here trolls the boss about so let's give it a go. and if you go and coordination lens has about rhythm as well. but it's not just small churches that are automating that sim petersburg's huge scene isaac's

on reestablishing religious faith as one of the country's principal identities sorry the russian orthodox church has been on a huge expansion drive in the past ten years the number of dioceses has doubled and ten thousand churches being built. it's exacerbated by human resource problem many more churches not enough ballerinas automated systems are an obvious solution but some people say they lack the soul and spirituality of the human touch like at this church school in moscow where featuring is being trained. as robots will never replace a human soul for me it was also discovered that each spring implies a praying glory to father glory to song and when we prayed the same time as i found out it's certainly something that requires skill ok i've just been given a brief lesson and what i've been told is my right hand controls the for hire bells by the left hand controls and middle bells on my foot down here trolls the boss about so let's give it a guy. has about rhythm as well. but it's not just small churches that automating that same petersburg's huge sin isaac's cathedral they say the mobile pho

example of that is the drive to have independence for the ukraine not stop shirt from the russian orthodox church this was so severely seen in moscow that they called a meeting of the russian security council secondly they are desperate to try to undermine president petro poroshenko because he they see putting sees the push on course the only one with whom they cannot do a deal on the eastern ukraine and it's because of that that they want to try to undermine him with the upcoming elections in march of next year they're going to do the opposite they're going to actually probably make can be like that but that's always russia's case that they don't understand ukraine so i think there's more going on here then they meet c.r. and it's not just the quick case of all russia made a kind of a mistake russia is seeing ukraine slip away and russian leaders are angry they don't know what to do about it well let's put that straight back to glenn glenn is russia trying to undermine petro poroshenko ahead of ukraine's presidential election. no shank was already polling quite poorly i think the people who'd vo

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on reestablishing religious faith as one of the country's principal identities sorry the russian orthodox church has been on a huge expansion drive in the past ten years the number of dioceses has doubled and ten thousand churches being built. it's exacerbated by human resource problem many more churches not enough ballerinas automated systems are an obvious solution but some people say they lack the soul and spirituality of the human touch like at this church school in moscow where featuring is being trained. well never a place of human soul for me it was also discovered that each praying glory to father glory to song and one living with prayed the same time. as i found out it's certainly something that requires skill ok i've just been given a brief lesson and what i've been told is my right hand controls the for hire bells by the left hand controls and middle bells and my foot down here trolls the boss about so let's give it a guy. has about rhythm as well. but it's not just small churches that automating that same petersburg's huge sin isaac's cathedral they say the mobile phone operated syst

unpleasant russian responses to the granting of independent status, to what had been the russian orthodox churchr. this was a big blow to russia, they did not expect it, it's a very big deal for a state that defines russian civilisation, as something going well beyond the borders of the russian federation, the church has been a big part of it, and finally, at the time the uk is leading the uk, there will be presidential elections, in ukraine. if russia provokes a hard variant of marshall law in ukraine, to that, with any kind of suspension of democratic rights or a postponement of those election, they hoping that will bring people on to the street, that that will be very good for the president's key opponentjulia tymoshenko who would love to wear the mantle of being a defender of ukrainian democracy and a peace maker, my opinion is the ukrainian parliament has approved marshall law but ina parliament has approved marshall law but in a resolution that confirmed that the elections will take place on schedule, so far it seems that ukraine is not rising to the bait. what would the introduction of ma

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constantinople to grant independent economic status to what had been the ukrainian part of the russian orthodox churche russian civilization extends beyond russians borders -- russia's borders. the second issue is the upcoming presidential elections in the ukraine next march. they would love to encourage the hasident to do what he attempted to do, to hand them an excuse to declare martial law, to postpone elections, putting people on the street and giving who is to his opponent talking about a peace plan and compromise with russia. all of this plays into that. francine: let me jump in. would putinely, why do this a week before the g20? russia has been demonstrating consistently that they are willing to be defensive in their interest. they do not care what we think. one of their most seasoned deputy ministers said, you regard us as an adversary. why should we care what you think? what they want us to understand is that russia is important. you cannot isolate russia, ignore russia. the timing makes perfect sense. tom: we are going to get you back in the coming days. he is at chatham house. we're going t