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none has the support of the republican house rusty bowers who's broken from his party. owers refused his pleas to overturn the 2020 election arizona results. and he testified about that before the january 6th committee. >> and i said look, you are asking me to do something that is counter to my oath when i swore to the constitution to uphold it and i also swore to the constitution and the laws of the state of arizona and this is totally foreign as an idea or a theory to me and i would never do anything of such magnitude without deep consultation with qualified attorneys. you're asking me to do something against my oath and i will not break my oath. >> rusty powers joins me now. speaker bowers it's a pleasure to talk with you. you saw election denialism on full display in your state over the weekend. candidates embracing the former president. how concerned are you about the integrity of elections in arizona? >> well, i don't know that i'm concerned about this round. what i would be more concerned about is if who wins and what they will do with elections. but we have had s

but i think that represents a bunch of people. >> rusty bowers, always a pleasure to talk to you.ou. >> my pleasure. truly. >> take care. be careful. some of the election denialism driving the suspicion about early voting coming for kari lake. there is something else in addition to that. it could be, by the candidate's own admission, which you will hear, put arizona on a collision course with the federal government. >> you guys turned out today. >> in the race for arizona governor, you hear this from republican nominee kari lake on her plan for border security. >> it's called our article 1, section 10, rights under the united states constitution. >> article 1, section 10, united states school shootings. we are going to invoke article 1, section 10, basically, authority to take care of our border. >> reporter: that border is an international border. so the federal government controls it. but she interprets the u.s. constitution to mean she could do this. >> as governor i will issue a declaration of invasion, finish president trump's wall, blow up the cartel's drug tunnels and surve

but i think that represents a bunch of people. >> rusty bowers, it's a pleasure to talk to.> the pleasure is mine. >> take care. be careful. some of the election denialism -- about early voting is coming from kari lake, but there is something else, in addition to that, -- it could, by the candidates on admission, put arizona on a collision course with the federal government. >> oh my gosh. you guys turned out today. >> in the race for arizona's governor, you hear this from republican nominate, carry, lake on her plan for border security. >> it's called our article one section -- over the united states constitution. >> article one section, ten united states constitution. we're going to invoke our article, one section ten of basically authority to take care of our own border. >> that border is an international border. so the federal government controls it. but lake interest with the universe -- for the constitution to do. this >> as governor i will issue a declaration of invasion. finished president trump's, law blow up the cardinals drug tunnels and surveillance drones and de

mark brnovich lost his primary to a denier and so did rusty bowers, which may come as a relief. >> don't over. don't come over. >> post-election trump supporters and conspiracy spinners laid siege to bower's home up to three times a week. >> rusty bowers is a pedophile. >> you go home. >> he had to fend them off. a man with a pistol, demonstrators in their own armored car. and at the state capitol on january 6, 2021, they came with rifles and a guillotine. in arizona when belief in the vote eroded this is what filled the void. has the republican party that you've known all your life been hijacked? >> it's a large group of them that is doing the hijacking. i just don't think it's a majority. its effectiveness as a party and its legitimacy in public discourse is grossly undermined by how they've acted in this state. welcome to ameriprise. i'm sam morrison, my brother max recommended you. so my best friend sophie says you've been a huge help. at ameriprise financial, more than 9 out of 10 of our clients are likely to recommend us. our neighbors the garcia's, love working with you. because t

rusty bowers is another one. doesn't seem to be or -- it does seem to me in maricopa county, that there's some small but critical massive republicans in your state who consider themselves conservatives who also are anti coup, pro vaccine and that you guys are on the losing part of the factional dispute within the party? >> well, we saw this play out in republican primaries across arizona but specifically in maricopa. as you mentioned, rusty bowers did lose his primary election to a far-right extremist supported by donald trump. but we are headed into a general election in arizona, and the general electorate in arizona in 2020 rejected donald trump and we are counting on them to do the same in 2022. i believe that the future of our representative democracy runs through arizona and even more specifically through maricopa county. so now it's up to the voters here in our county in our state to make a choice. >> you know, i am a liberal, a new york city lifelong resident, cable tv host. i get if you're median arizona

. >> reporter: republican speaker of house rusty bowers testified before the january 6th committee this summer telling the dramatic story about how he refused the demands of donald trump to overturn joe biden's victory in arizona. >> i didn't want to be used as a pawn. >> reporter: that earned him death threats and a decisive defeat in the republican primary. bowers leaves office in january but the republican leadership of arizona's largest county is still here and determined to push back against the election deniers in their party. >> you're a republican. >> i am. >> lifelong republican. >> yes. >> reporter: bill gates is the chairman of the maricopa county board of supervisors, why have republicans questioned the integrity of the elections that are overseen by your office? >> it hurts my heart to say why they've done it, because they think it's good politics. if you don't believe in this perspective that 2020 was stolen, then you're not a good republican, you're a rino, we've never seen that before and that's what's dangerous to our party but more importantly to this democratic republ

rusty bowers was facing pressure while his daughter was dying. think about the strength of that man. think about what he did. i think about his commitment to the constitution. that is an awesome thing that should give us all tremendous hope. think about people like brad raffensperger. think about people who testified in front of our committee like sarah matthews, cassidy hutchinson. these are people that have stood up for the truth. they understand and recognize that in this nation, our institutions do not sustain themselves. they only sustain themselves because individuals do the right thing. every citizen of this country, whether you are elected or not, has an obligation to make sure you are doing everything you can to defend the institutions of our republic. and to recognize what it means to be a nation of laws, not a nation of men. we can all disagree with the rulings of the courts. but none of us can ignore the rulings of the courts. none of -- donald trump did that. 61 out of 62 courts that heard his claims, the claims of his allies, that s

in arizona republican figure of the house rusty bowers is an artist by trade paperback last february bowers was thrown into a real life. >> the bill number was 2496. >> 2596 oh one of more than 100 bills submitted in arizona the titan access to the ballot box. the measure would have scrapped early voting. all voting will be on election day only. >> 90 percent by district both early. >> and it would have mandated paper ballots. but most egregious to rusty bowers was this: >> with no guidance criteria, the legislature after the election could dismiss the election. and i sent, "welcome to fas fascism." >> and so i said, i will give this the respect it deserves. >> education. >> so assented to 12 committees so it would have a long bidding process. >> military affairs. >> typical is one or two. if it was a good terrestrial bill by 73. if it goes in a four committees then you are getting a message. >> judiciary. >> i ascended the 12 committees. >> interpretation. >> it was theatrical. and i admit it. >> it is not an overstatement t say that because our scope of democracy, he will not be in

we heard it from the arizona republic house speaker rusty bowers, who was testifying that the pressure he was under from trump allies to help overturn the election. >> at some point, did one of them make a comment that they didn't have evidence but they had a lot of theories? >> that was mr. giuliani. >> what exactly did he say how did that come up? >> from my recollection, yes he said we've got a lot of theories we just don't have the evidence. and i don't know if that was a gaffe. maybe he didn't think through what he said. >> that kind of the mission, you also heard evidence that donald trump knew what he was doing from the very beginning, that he was driving it from the top down. he ignored advice from his closest advisers, even his own attorney general who told him his lies were wrong and utterly ridiculous. >> right out of the box on election night, the president claimed that there was major fraud underway. this happened before i could tell before there was any potential looking at evidence. i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putti

there are ambassadorses for the system like rusty bowers, the arizona speaker of the house, who are,he system. i think that that has helped make sure, you know, that people do feel as though their votes are going to be counted and as though the results are going to reflect voters' will. however, on the other side, we have had two years now of former president donald trump and his allies, lake, finchum, mark finchum, running for secretary of state, blake masters at the top of the ticket the republican primary for the u.s. senate. every one has played a critical role for the last two years denigrating the system, sowing mistrust, distrust in the system. and people are going to respond to that. we have voter turnout especially on the republican side that is pretty low right now. the ballot returns are not as high as they have been in previous years. this reflects likely voters' mistrust in the system. they are probably going to show up on election day in bigger numbers than we have seen in previous years. >> interesting. we'll be watching and reporting. yvonne and chris, thank you. don'

rusty bowers isn't there anymore. these events are a mechanism to try to overturn the elections and they've told us that specifically. i talked to mark fincham yesterday, is there any reason to believe the midterms will be free and fair, and he said he's not confident. they're laying it out there for all of us to hear. >> vaughn, i'm going to need you to say more. let me give you this -- do any of them think if they win the elections rigged, or are they rigged only if they lose? >> let's use an example. kari lake was making claims in the days before her primary, her close primary, that there were irregularities and fraud. yet, of course, up to that night before the election we were still trying to ask her what examples or evidence does she have. to this date here, october 10th, kari lakes has still yet to provide any examples. she was there standing on stage next to donald trump as donald trump openly flirted, suggesting these midterm elections may not be fair and accurate. they're already setting the stage for what c

people like rusty bowers who testified in front of our community --committee. sitting there on the dais and listening to rusty talk about his faith and talk about his duty to the constitution and his oath and what it meant to him was incredibly moving for me and my colleagues. arizona and our nation owes him a tremendous debt of gratitude. host: that was representative liz cheney of wyoming, a republican who is the vice chair of the select committee on january six. we will go to your calls now. as a reminder your line is (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002. the question is, how have these hearings impacted your analysis, thoughts about what happened that day? former president trump's alleged role. also, how have the hearings impacted your view of the midterms. for we go, our guest is ready now. i want to bring up our guest. we have a congressional reporter at the guardian and he will help us preview that hearing that will be later. good morning hugo, how are you? guest: i'm great, how are you? host: thank you for joining us. fir