this past thursday's "new york times" with megan tooy and joey cantor and susan dominus and jim rutenbergd four pages, this is really the crime involved, this is a consortium of applying economic, social, personal, emotional and physical pressure and threats to anybody, a witness, a woman who wanted to confess or anything of the sort -- >> woodruff: this was around supporting harvey weinstein? >> harvey weinstein, that's right, exactly, and everybody, it was like donald trump, everybody who got near him is staying sullied and diminished by it, but this was a terror organization. this is not al franken. this is what al franken did. but there's no question that the serial nature of it, the picture, the photographic evidence was damning. >> woodruff: putting his hands on a woman's chest. >> and the fact, judy, quite honestly, women led the march. it wasn't just kirsten gillibrand but other women in the senate. that was it. when john conyers fell, one to have the founders to have the congressional black caucus, there was a question of double standard. there is no question democrats are trying