we're glad you joined us, rutger bregman and debra winger in just a moment. ♪ >>> and my contributionso your pbs station before viewers like you, tha you, thank you. >>> dr. bregman is a historian and author who argues it's time to rethink the add cal idea of universal basic income. he's assembled multiple studies and success stories to make his case and even convinced more than 20 cities around the globe to start a basic inkim experiment. his book is titled "utopia for realists how we can build the ideal world". i'm honor to have you on this program. >> thanks for having me. >> there are three basic components, one, universal income, 15-hour workweek and open borders. let's take them in that order. tell me and tell the audience what universal basic income is. >> very simple. it is a monthly amount that's enough to pay for your basic needs, food, shelt, he educational. it's completely conditional so no one tells us what to have you doll for it or with it. so everybody gets it whether uhrich or poor, everybody gets it. bill gates gets it but also every beggar on the street. it goes all

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