economy then dig deeper pay up it's time to tax the rich then fox news is tucker carlson invited rutger bregman on to his program mistake bregman went right after crossing the channel that he works for and the media in general for almost never covering the fundamental issue of tax reform it's fair to say that carlson did not take it particularly well the interview would not go to air but bragman managed to have the entire exchange recorded on a phone camera and once he sent it to now this an online news site it was destined to go viral and get people talking our starting point this week is tax avoidance global inequality and the complicity of big media. format is what's known as a double ender or a d.t.l. a down the line interview which means the host is in one place tucker carlson at fox news's headquarters in new york the guest in another rutger bregman in a studio in amsterdam and it was prerecorded it wasn't a lot. of help and. typically if that kind of interview goes wrong and the channel chooses not to parrot the video never sees the light of day because it exists on the broadcasters serv

down the line interview between new york and amsterdam actually got its start in switzerland rutger bregman made waves in davos telling the world economic forum's well heeled audience that the best way to fix the global economy was to hit them in the pocket and har. we got to be talking about texas that said that. however fox and carlson would have been more interested in something else bregman told his audience a billionaire an observation that happened to square with fox's own ideology fifteen hundred private yet to hear sir david attenborough speak about you know how the planet perhaps crosses producers thought that would be a kindred spirit regarding the hypocrisy of billionaires flying halfway across the world but it doesn't come at this from that kind of position at all the kind of conservative populist position that maybe tucker carlson or fox news does but for me what really stood out from that interview was the moment when piers to tucker carlson of being a millionaire funded by building a house you're not part of this. part of the problem actually. went to the heart of this debate

rutger bregman is going us, everybody! cheers and applause ) also on tonight's show, president trump has three new scandals, michael jackson gets canceled, and why joe biden would be a terrible r&b singer. so it's going to be a fun show. i've missed you all. i hope you're good. ( applause ) because i am not. this daylight savings thing is trash. i feel like i'm hung over and i didn't even drink. not only did we lose an hour, it was a good hour. 2:00 to 3:00 a.m. on the weekend. we're in the club having a good time and it closed out of nowhere. why don't they schedule daylight savings for 4:00 p.m. on a friday? yeah! daylight savings! that's my proposal. i'm running for president. enough about daylight savings. let's catch up on today's headlines. let's begin with the devastating news of the ethiopian airline crash. this is the second time in six months this type of airplane has gone down. >> take a look at countries that have grounded the boeing 737 max 8, indonesia, mongolia, ethiopia just had the crash, morocco and china

down the line interview between new york and amsterdam actually got its start in switzerland rutger bregman made waves in davos telling the world economic forum's well heeled audience that the best way to fix the global economy was to hit them in the pocket and har. we got to be talking about texas that's it. however fox and carlson would have been more interested in something else bregman told his audience a billionaire and observation that happened to square with fox's own ideology fifteen hundred private yet to hear survey that and ross speak about you know how the planet perhaps crosses producers thought that man would be a kindred spirit regarding the hypocrisy of billionaires flying halfway across the world but it doesn't come at this from that kind of position at all the kind of conservative populist position that maybe tucker carlson or fox news does but for me what really stood out from that interview was the moment when rocketeers to tucker carlson of being a millionaire funded by bill in the house you're not part of this. part of the problem actually. went to the heart of this de

down the line interview between new york and amsterdam actually got its start in switzerland rutger bregmanmade waves in davos telling the world economic forum's well heeled audience that the best way to fix the global economy was to hit them in the pocket and har. we got to be talking about texas that said. however fox and carlson would have been more interested in something else bregman told his audience a billionaire and observation that happened to square with fox's own ideology fifteen hundred private yet to hear survey that and ross speak about you know how the planet perhaps crosses producers thought that man would be a kindred spirit regarding the hypocrisy of billionaires flying halfway across the world but it doesn't come at this from that kind of position at all or kind of conservative populist position that maybe tucker carlson or fox news does but for me what really stood out from that interview was the moment when piers to tucker carlson of being a millionaire funded by building a house you're not part of this. part of the problem actually. went to the heart of this debate abo

down the line interview between new york and amsterdam actually got its start in switzerland rutger bregman made waves in davos telling the world economic forum's well heeled audience that the best way to fix the global economy was to hit them in the pocket and har. we got to be talking about texas that said that. however fox and carlson would have been more interested in something else bregman told his audience a billionaire and observation that happened to square with fox's own ideology fifteen hundred private yet to hear survey that and ross speak about you know how the planet perhaps crosses producers thought that would be a kindred spirit regarding the hypocrisy of billionaires flying halfway across the world but it doesn't come at this from that kind of position at all the kind of conservative populist position that maybe tucker carlson or fox news does but for me what really stood out from that interview was the moment when rocketeers to tucker carlson of being a millionaire funded by building a house you're not part of the. problem actually. went to the heart of this debate about th

rutger bregman joins me now. thank you for being with us. >> great to be here. >> what do you mean by that? that the real radicals are the centrists? you know, recent polling has indicated 40 some percent of the democratic party would like it to be more progressive, 50 some would like it to be more moderate. >> well, take things like medicare for all, which 70% of americans support or higher taxes on the rich, which supported by 75% of all americans. basically, since the early 90ses is. these are utterly mainstream positions. it's good news finally it's moving into the mainstream. that's what most americans want. so it seems to me pretty bizarre that we call these people who are against that, that we call them moderates or centrists. >> in much of the developed world or the oecd world, these are not only mainstream, but they're in some cases positioned held by conservatives. >> indeed, indeed. the toreys in the uk love universal health care. conservatives in canada love universal health care. america is the excep

. >> joining us now someone i've wanted to talk to since he went viral at davos, professor rutger bregmanand author of the book "utopia for realists." i wanted to get your reaction of the socialist debate which has taken over the presidential campaign. the republicans intend to run against socialism every day of this campaign. >> to me it seems a bit of a bewildering discussion and activity, this whole discussion about capitalism versus socialism in america. because what we're actually talking about are policies that are hugely popular, you know, among the vast majority of americans. 67% want guaranteed maternity leave, 18% enthusiastic about the new green bill. these are huge policies that work really well in the countries that tried them. so it has nothing to do with socialism or communism or whatever. >> and one of the things that european countries have come to terms with is the kind of calm notion that these things get mixed, that you can have some pretty grand demonstrations of capitalism and innovative capitalism in europe, right beside a grand socialist project like high-speed rai