rutger bregman, in the netherlands, welcome to hardtalk. thanks for having me.e all living in this time of covid—19. it is a global health emergency and, in times of emergency, perhaps we learn more than usual about the nature of human beings. what do you think this pandemic right now is showing us about humanity? i think it is showing us that most people are actually pretty decent and that, especially in the midst of a crisis, people — most people, at least — show their better selves, you know? and you see this explosion of cooperation and altruism — i think that is one of the most important lesson. "an explosion of altruism" — i'm just wondering what you then make — how you process some of the other scenes we have seen of people at times literally fighting to get essential supplies from the shops. we have seen people blaming each other, scapegoating outsiders for spreading the virus. we have seen lots of very difficult things, too. yeah, absolutely, and i am not denying any of that. i am just saying that, you know, for every toilet paper hoarder, there are 1,0