it's amazing what real food can do. >>> ruth ben-ghiat, michael beschloss, lisa rubin are back with ush was saying made me think about the fact that i think a lot of americans out here really believe that donald trump won't be able to go as rogue as he is saying. he will not be able to be a dictator on day one throughout his presidency because there are guardrails to stop him. i am most concerned about the fact that there are no guardrails. there are no guardrails for donald trump. ruth ben-ghiat -- michael beschloss, under this current congress will not be a guard rail let alone republicans of congress. that she does speaker of the house was one of the cheerleaders of the stop the steal movement. the supreme court is not going to be a guard rail. we are still waiting for the immunity decision. the guardrails do not exist. who the president is matters and staff will be a guard rail because donald trump will not hire people that will try to hold him accountable like the generals of his last administration. >> take everything donald trump says extremely seriously. you are absolutely righ

. >> joining us is professor of history and author of strongmen , miscellany to the present, ruth ben-ghiat. presidential historian professor of history douglas brinkley. good morning. >> ruth, i want to start with you. i thought this week was incredibly important. a definition all week if you will. both on the global stage and here at home for president biden. he really connected a number of dots about the urgency and the washington post wrote a piece which i thought -- he talked will americans recognize their country in the dark and desperate portrait trump painted? or is the country's falling to pieces, he said. if he is not return to power, the countries finish. you want to be country anymore. or will americans instead choose to see a nation still striving to fulfill the higher purpose than biden described in memory of those who fought here, died here, literally save the world here, let us be worthy of their sacrifice. that, to me, was a consummating moment. i would love to get your take on how the president has framed his visit around this idea of, there is a bigger fight out there. th

michael beschloss and ruth ben- ghiat, we will continue this conversation after a quick break. more "velshi" after this. blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. are you still struggling with your bra? it's time for you to try knix. makers of the world's comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com >>> we are back, continuing our robust and important discussion about donald trump's historic conviction and how it might change the political landscape with election day five months and four days away. back with me are presidential historian michael beschloss and ruth ben-ghiat, professor of history at nyu. what a time we are in. i think i've told you both that probably for the first 25 years of my career i interviewed one historian a year and now they are the most important people to us because we need to have the context. i love it. i'm grateful to you all. ruth, one of the things i thought was remark

i am also joined by my nyu colleague ruth ben-ghiat who is a professor of history. she is also the author of the lucid newsletter that tracks threats to democracy. she is also the author of the very well-received but strongmen. molly, first question to you. nbc jonathan allen made an intriguing point about yesterday's bump stock decision, quote, former president donald trump did not really want to buy bump stocks. when he did, he knew that the supreme court was likely to overturn his action. what are your thoughts on that and the dynamic between the trump administration and the supreme court during his first term and what might it be like if he has a second term? >> i think that gives trumped way too much credit that he would ban, that he would be thinking three steps ahead -- i don't think so. certainly someone in trump's administration maybe had that thinking. this supreme court, we know they almost always do the most conservative thing and one of the really good examples of that is the mifepristone case. they kicked it out on standing. there had been anxiety that

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. >> all right, ruth ben-ghiat, michelle please stick around. we have a lot more to discuss with you throughout the course of this hour. we do have some breaking news out of michigan that we want to bring to you at the moment but at least nine people have been shot at a/mark in the city of rochester hills. it is about a half hour north of detroit. moments ago, police spoke to reporters on the scene and they have confirmed that the shooter is not yet in cost the but is contained about a half-mile from the e&p right now investigators say they believe the shooting was a random in the gunmen had no connection to the victims. they said that the shooter drove up to the waterpark and started shooting and emptying 30 rounds before running off. again, as of now, at least nine people were shot this saturday at a splash park in rochester hills, michigan. we will keep you updated throughout the course of the next hour. he will take a quick break and be right back. stay with us. ht back. stay with us. (man) now that i got a huge storage and battery upgrade..

national political reporter for "the washington post" and author of "finish what we started" and ruth ben-ghiat, new york university professor of history and author of "strong men, mussolini to the president." and appropriate panel for today. i want to start with you, isaac. talk about the way that european leaders are thinking about today, this anniversary, and the coming election. >> well, with a lot of apprehension for what the election means for the future of the trans-atlantic alliance. our reporting has been that trump has shared privately this secret plan that he's been touting for how he would end the war in ukraine, which pretty much boils down to pressuring ukraine to cede territory to russia. which zelenskyy has said he wouldn't accept. but there's also no indication that putin would settle for that, that his ambitions go far beyond that. and it's so the choice as far as on our ballot, as far as the future for how this war would be handled and u.s. support for ukraine couldn't be starker. >> is this peace plan, supposed peace plan, is it different materially from what paul manafort w