ruth madoff agreed to forfeit $80 million and all her worldly goods. the homes, boats, cars, furniture, even madoff's slippers were auctioned or sold. you were allowed to keep $2.5 million. to a lot of people, that's a lot of money. >> it is. it's certainly enough for me. i've used a lot for legal fees. >> there is a public perception, and i'm sure you've heard it, that there's got to be a stash somewhere, you know? >> i've heard it. i've heard it. >> that bernie madoff hid it somewhere, and that you know-- >> i wish they'd find it and give it all back. my understanding of a ponzi scheme is that when it's over, there's nothing left. and i certainly don't know of a stash anywhere. [ticking] >> coming up, tragedy strikes the madoff family. >> how did you react when you-- when you heard that? >> [sighs] it was awful. i wish i could say i was shocked, but i wasn't. >> we'll have more madoff when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. [ticking] (vo) you are a business pro. maestro of project management. baron of the build-out. you need a permit... to be this awesome. a

even ruth, madoff's wife, had a company credit card, and she charged millions, too, on everything fromhopping sprees in paris to movie rentals, all courtesy of bernard l. madoff's securities, thank you very much. >> they used the bank account at b.l.m.i.s. like a personal piggy bank. >> safer: of all the people that should have known, his brother and his sons who worked under the same roof with him should have known. >> one would think so. yes. >> safer: did they know? >> my belief is, yes, they knew. and the reason i believe that is they were officers of these companies and directors in certain instances as well and also compliance officers in a very highly regulated environment. so i think clearly they would have to have known what was going on given their own personal transactions, the longevity of what was happening, and the responsibilities as officers of the company. >> safer: madoff's sons and brother also had accounts with bernie, and their returns were simply spectacular. >> there is sort of an extraordinary event with peter, his brother. after 1995, we only see him putting $1

. >> in the first interview since bernie madoff's arrest, his wife ruth... >> i trusted him. >> and son am. my name is madoff. and i'll live with that for the rest of my life. >> speak out about crime, guilt, suicide... >> mr. madoff, what do you have to say for yourself? >> and the day bernie admitted to committing the largest financial fraud in history. >> and he said, "i have a confession to make. i've been running a ponzi scheme." [ticking]