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and ruth marcus, all right, we have these days of the russia story where you're like this feels bigger than most and mueller being weeks away from having an interview with the president feels like a big deal, but we have been here before, and then we think probably another month or two months. >> a series of developments, and i think this is something that mueller wants to get out of the way, check all of the evidence that he can for the obstruction of justice. because of things that the president has said. thinks the president tweeted that would raise the question of the question. it is an extremely difficult thing to prove. the law and there is a lot that needs to be collected. >> take me in the white house a little bit. i think in the scooty libby investigations and all of that. take us behind scenes. >> they say it is not distracting, there is an element that is true, you're so busy as you're going through your day you don't realize it is really very distracting. it plays on people's stress, the attention that you experience on other issues, and that where you're seeing it. some of

join ming me now is ruth marcus. karen temelty, "washington post" political correspondent, who just wrote a piece on this topic, really drilling down on michigan. welcome both. happy new year to you. karen, take us to michigan and what you're seeing on the democratic party possible primary races there. >> well, it is interesting how many women across the country are running for particularly governorships which executive offices always been a particularly heavy lift for a female candidate. so i spent some time over december with gretchen witmer who is leading the democratic primary in a state that donald trump really surprised a lot of people when he won it in the 2016 election. in michigan, you may -- there's the possibility that the democrats may be putting up women candidates for every single statewide office this time. so it really does sort of give an indication of the degree to which, as you said, this activism, this energy in the democratic base that we are seeing is really being driven by women. >> and ruth if

joining me now, msnbc contribute tore and columnist darrell peters, and editorial page editor ruth marcus and michael steele from the republican national committee chair. welcome, all. first, jeremy, to you. the whole bannon fallout from the book. we interviewed michael wolff yesterday just beforehand, and a question, of course, of how much steve bannon is excommunicated from the president. he said he's still going to be in politics, but without that platform of breitbart news, he's sort of left on his own. >> without breitbart, without the backers who thought he had a path to the president and without the base via the president. this is a big deal, andrea. i do think we need to look at this in more than just a context of a personality feud and a personnel falling out. >> this is the republican party. >> this is the fight for the soul of the republican party. does steve bannon's departure and, subsequently, donald trump's decision to go to davos, his alignment with mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, his display of willingness to negotiate and compromise on immigration, show that donald trump

. >> for more ruth marcus, deputy page editor for "the washington post" and matt schlapp, chairman of the american conservative union. start with ruth and then to matt. i want to know how this looks because the president said if the house and the senate got together, i'll sign it. well, it doesn't happen like that. does dl is the position of the republican republicans and the democrats. maybe they'll reach consensus. doesn't he know that? >> well, they believe the leader of his water usually leads his party and doesn't sit there and wait passively for something to come to him. and that was a remarkable montage. not of democrats complaining about the republican president and not knowing his position, but of republicans complaining about the republican president and not knowing his position. >> is he against the dreamers or for them? he has said he is for them and he is not acting that way. >> well, he is for them. and from my point of view, he is allowing his support for the bill of love as he called it. >> yep. >> to be undone by people who are less for the dreamers than the president

ruth marcus is right she should have admitted it was mistake.s a very difficult history with men in power abusing their position in terms of sexual abuse and harassment. i think that the hillary -- our desire to bring hillary clinton continually into the story is understandable. the bigger story right now is obviously what's going on with the u.s. olympic committee. the steve wynn story is a huge one, finance chair of the rnc. some of those stories are terrifying. >> steve wynn is the closest thing to harvey weinstein. harvey is in a class by himself, i think, but steve wynn was pretty close. >> you're talking steve wynn owns a casino, people work inside and rely on him for their paychecks and facing assault, i sea to very straightforward parallels with harvey weinstein. >> and those in the service sector. >> yes, it's about hillary clinton, also about partisan politics, some men in democratic circles trying actively to find examples of harassment for republicans and exploit those for their own political gain. i have talked to a lot of women who

ruth marcus is deputy editorial page editor of "the washington post." thank you, all. in that order, congresswoman, this is interesting because lindsey graham apparently stood up to trump. >> right. >> and said you can't use that kind of a term. a lot of us came from poor countries with not many well educated people. that's why they came here. that's the nature of this country. nobody's grandfather was the duke of marlboro who came to this country. your thoughts on this and the two senators, the two of them. one is from arkansas and one is from -- i forget -- he is from georgia. and the two of them are just laying their bodies on the tracks saying trump didn't say something that it's now pretty clear he did say. >> exactly. i think they're flat-out lying. and maybe they're getting something from the president for it. but, you know, i applaud lindsey graham. i also applaud senator flake too because he said he had heard about it before it went to the news. i just think it's another tragic moment in trump's presidency. i'm headed to africa on friday. and believe me, i kno

i mean, i think ruth marcus is right, she should have just admitted it was a mistake.illary clinton has a very difficult history with men in power abusing their position in terms of sexual abuse and harassment. i think that the hillary -- our desire to bring hillary clinton continually into the story is understandable. i think the bigger story right now is obviously what is going on in the u.s. olympic committee. i think the steve wynn story is a huge one, finance chair of the rnc. some of those stories are terrifying. >> steve wynn feels like the closest thing we've gotten to harvey weinstein. almost as bad as harvey. >> worse in some ways. >> it is. harvey i thought is in a class by himself, i think, but steve wynn was pretty close. >> you're talking about steve wynn owns a casino, people who work in his casino, people working in his casino depending on their paychecks, i see a straight parallel with harvey weinstein. >> women in the sector. >> can i say one thing about the hillary clinton issue? it is about hillary clinton, but it is partisan politics some men in de

happens this year could put the presidency on the path of peril. >> i would like to ask my colleague, ruth marcusore about the extent she really feels optimism, if that's the right word. about the system's ability to take us through the coming period. ruth, in particular, what are you hearing when you talk to republicans on capitol hill about their unwillingness to be dragged along by trump and his base towards policies that they may think are unwise or more to the point that may cost them their seats? what do you hear? >> i think that time will -- 2018 will really tell. look, republicans have for various reasons political self preservation, you hear a lot from them saying he was elected. there's a lot of policy that donald trump is promoting that is in line with policies that kind of normal for the use that word, normal congressional republicans want to see. so they are happy to go along with that and if not, happy at least a little bit into going along with it. they have to worry about primaries and worry about their base. the real question is and for each individual senator, member of congress

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my god, i think we should ask ruth marcus. ou come one a great idea around the table, people stared at you and some guy said it a few minutes later and people were like, hear, hear, so smart. >> never, ever happened at "the washington post." it happens to all of us. and i think the interesting question is to understand why. and it may not even be only men reacting that way. but what -- i can't wait to read joanne's book, but one thing whats has really been striking me and there's a white chilling piece in "the washington post" right now about some of the "me too" backlash that i've been worrying about. which is instead of figuring out how to hear women and include them at the table, there is something that's happening in some quarters where people get nervous about traveling with women. people get nervous on business trips. people get nervous about going out the dinner with women. this is exactly the opposite of having women be heard and included. it's protecting yourself. that is crazy and damaging and if that is a legacy of t

ruth marcus writes in "the washington post," quote, hillary clinton, #metoo, #sowhat, how do you write a primal scream? because my head is about to explode over the story about alleged sexual harassment on hillary clinton's 2008 presidential campaign and her appallingly mild response. then and now. so two things here, first of all, there were two women in the hillary clinton campaign in 2008 who recommended that bernstrider be fired and hillary clinton overwrote that personal lip. but i want to focus on the temp rare response here that is missing the shift that is happening. >> it is an interesting moment here, which is two things going on, that hillary clinton has been a person who has been inspiring to a lot of women, a lot of people credit the fact that she lost to donald trump as motivating a lot of women to get preemptive. >> and they are. they are more preemptive. >> you're seeing a historic number of them running for office, and then you're seeing this me too moment, the time's up moment. and then this, for one example, she's not necessarily the standard bearer that everyone wan

michael steele, kimberly atkins, ruth marcus.ing to do campaign politics first and then a little about the hill and reversed that. so michael steele, you were here in 2010. on the, on one side of this and you saw i believe a big red wave building and were taking advantage of it. how familiar does this look to you, just 2010-wise? >> our friend amy walters has a saying, been here since 1992 and never seen a normal midterm. >> i'm with her. >> so. >> what is normal? >> well what would be normal right now is if democrats were poised to make huge gains on the president's lack of popularity. and there are indications that's correct. and other battleground districts, polls are tight. nancy pelosi incredibly unpopular, and starting next month, 90% of taxpayers will see a fatter paycheck. there's reason for optimism amidst gloom and doom. >> race by race argument, stuck on the argument, how i avoid donald trump argument is what michael steele putting out there. good luck, right? >> good luck, michael. that's the best argument that there

i think ruth marcus is right. she should have admitted that it was a mistake.ory of men in power abusing their position in terms of sexual abuse and harassment. i think that the hillary -- our desire to bring hillary clinton continually into the story is understandable. i think the bigger story right now is obviously what's going on in the u.s. olympic committee. >> yes. >> i think the steve wynn story is a huge story. >> absolutely. >> some are terrifying. >> steve wynn feels like the closest thing we've gotten to harvey wine steeb. >> it's worse in some ways. >> it is. harvey is in a class by himself, i think, but steve wynn is worse. >> he owns a casino, people rely on him coming into private spaces with him and face assault. i see very straightforward paraless. >> can i add one thing to what we were saying about hillary clinton. they're trying to find examples of harassment and exploiting those. i have talked to a lot of women who work inside democratic politics and i think their message to people who would do that is don't you dare. this is a problem that

. >> joining me now is michael steele and ruth marcus, "washington post" deputy editorial and columnisto is shutting up? not you, certainly. >> certainly not me. this is profoundly an important iss issue. where does this come from? why are you so passionate about this? i spent a number of years in a monastery. i've been grounded in my faith. and the moral traditions for a long, long time. and i have brought that to my own public service as a former lieutenant governor. and even chairman of the republican national committee. so to hear individuals in my party and leaders within the party sort of backslide on this moral stance, the moral stance that they've held the rest of us to, quite honestly, for over a generation now, to me was just not just disheart anythiening b offensive. you have given up the moral authority to preach, if you will, about the behavior and lifestyle and other aspects of what we go through every day. >> but michael, i totally agree with you, but i also have a question, which is, what is new here? the mulligan was given to donald trump a long time ago during the camp

joining us now, ruth marcus, columnist and deputy editorial page editor of the "washington post."frey goldberg, editor of the add ran particular. ben domenech is founder and publisher of the federalist. and ed o'keefe covers capitol hill for the "washington post" is a cbs news contributor. ed, started with you. where are we right now? >> i think this is all because you're leaving town. we'll call this the dickerson shut down. [ laughter ] will not go viral. the senate reconvenes this afternoon, house republicans are huddling this afternoon to try to figure out what might happen among them. there is a group of moderate senators who are leading in the offices of susan collins trying to see if there's enough support to reopen the government until february 8th then slam out all unfinished business which might include immigration or it might not. the reason this group thinks they have a chance is majority leader mcconnell said to them if you get everything else done, disaster funding, the actual budget reauthorizing the children's health program, i'll give you vote on immigration separ