ruth symonds, and dr. john meta coal, their experience provide unique insights in the history of african american higher education in the 20th and early 24 centuries. >> thank you vip for your historical insights, really appreciate it very helpful to open discussion. i want to turn our attention to the panelists, and first of all i want to thank you for joining us it is such an honor to be with you both. i come from a family of educators, my mother was a former educator, and my father a dean at howard university medical school. and i can appreciate the value of education instilled in me in early on, and they both insisted basically can do anything you put your mind to, and don't bring anything home less than a b. so i got that i got those lessons early. so with that i'd like to get started, here and this is stork moment, so what are your thoughts seeing a graduate, of an hbcu, assume the vice presidency of the united states. i know people it howard are just cheering. so doctor simmons? >> well, i've said b