and so you certainly don't want to show you well how could we didn't intervene in rwanda. we showed the documents in our book on their rwanda you had the genocide of nearly a million people and nobody lifted a finger because rwanda didn't have anything the international corporations needed libya has oil so it's very important to get the oil rwanda didn't have anything like that show of essence the world ignored it because there was nothing to go in there for that they could for lack of better term rape pillage mineral wealth or you know or whatever else international corporations would be do you think the u.s. is going to play a bigger role in libya than it claims now because they have said that nato is now taking control of the operation do you think the u.s. is really stepping back or is there a lot i have no idea you know i have no idea i'm not privy after all the they classify sixteen million documents a year how would i know i don't know what has been going on within the united states and i want to ask you about these. really this middle class uprising that we saw tak

we didn't intervene in rwanda. we showed the documents in our book on their rwanda you had the genocide of nearly a million people and nobody lifted a finger you want to know why because rwanda didn't have anything the international corporations needed libya's oil so it's very important to get the oil rwanda didn't have anything like that so in essence the world ignored it because there was nothing to go in there for that they could for lack of better curb rape and pillage well they weren't basically the other means thought there was that unless the west and the united states are able to support some sort of corporate interests in the countries that they're getting involved with they really don't just do it they don't do it on these almost a finger like jesse ventura sedums that was i mean a big message he's trying to send out these days let's make message and also he has that he's very critical of the two major political parties domestically themselves he calls himself the voice of the independent so what's his ta

secondly, i think it is wrong to compare libya with bosnia or with rwanda. bosnia and rwanda were instances of genocide. the hutus were killing the tutsis, period. the tutsis didn't rebel against the hutus. it was genocide. in the case of bosnia, the serbs were doing ethnic cleansing against the muslims and the croatians. in the case of libya for whatever good reasons, the rebels started up a civil war against qaddafi. i would, too, the rebels for the first five days were winning and no one said anything about that. i didn't say anything about it, either. i was happy to see them winning. but when they started losing then the roof was going to cave in. from my standpoint it was correct to take some humanitarian intervention. but to me lead should have been with the arab countries and with libya's neighbors and with the united states in a supporting role. but what happened was people like mr. henri levy said it was important and then we did it. if it was so important why didn't the french do it? and the british? and the egyptians? they had all the with all to

he has oil so it's very important to get your oil how could we didn't intervene in rwanda. we should all the documents in our book on that rwanda you have the genocide of nearly a million people nor would you lifted a finger because there was nothing to go in there for that they could for lack of better term rape pillage mineral wealth or your or whatever else a great national corporations would be. and then you can see that interview in about twenty minutes time and see now as the u.s. and nato are broiled in conflicts all around the world it is another campaign going on alongside with millions of american taxpayers' dollars being poured into a nazi is that laurent lister now explores the information or being waged on local populations. the reality of war the wars health benefits why you only go to war and perhaps a little interest here national security it's one reason why coalition forces do battle with an information war to fight alongside the real one playing out on the ground in afghanistan for example so what's not widely known by these milestones along restored amer

strong rain forest and a good culture and focus on what's exports and useful produce in cash like in rwanda or response or export because this is where trade is something that weighs your magic we can conceive of action and you benefit benefit programs better but if you look at the informal arrow in africa europe empires controlling the response was done in the same way they make countries produce certain products for exports. and then making the country and on your emotions and other services to be dependent so the i.m.f. world bank and consensually the global and in south africa asia latin america western europe and north america which heavily subsidize their agricultural products export and in terms of today they're trying to do constituencies institutions that changed. but not only are they interested in europe to manage. the so-called. but they're also transit integrate and advanced process of governance we meaning the emerging nations china and india and other nations into this institutional apparatus global governance bringing them to shoot again and it let's talk about accountabilit

nobody does i have thoughts nobody does and i think i have i have a different view in rwanda i supported intervention in rwanda and i blame the united states and france for not only not intervening but affirmatively preventing the united nations from intervening so i'm not somebody who says there should never be any intervention the question is under what circumstances and i call on one of the key things that president obama did was to recognize that there is a difference between legality and legitimacy he knew he could force his way. and to a u.n. resolution in the security council the u.s. has a long history of that by bribing threatening to get votes it happens here it will happen again it's happened before but he also knew that without clarity from the arab league and the african union that wasn't going to be possible so early on if you recall he noticed the difference in those already rules are way in question here from the way i'm talking about the question that was asked and he recognized you know let me just say the question for me is partly international legitimacy and having bo

we may say a prayer for people in congo or rwanda, but how do connect the dots?hink that prayer is powerful and not to be diminished. some of us in this country who are struggling to put food on the table and are wondering where the next paycheck is coming from or have dangers health situations and they do not have access to corporate medical care dupree for yourselves -- medical care do pray for themselves and for others. for those concerned with daily survival, i think there is a variety of ways -- it is enlightened self interest. globally, healthy societies are better able to economically empower themselves. there is real connection in the growth of gdp with the health status of a population and come in particular, the ability girls and women to access education, income generation, technology with connecting poor communities with technology. there are connections to increase in that nation's productivity. those stable societies are what, as a global community, we're looking for. i think all of the money that we spend militarily, for example, some of it can be

>> reporter: the price of inaction, carter says, can indeed be terribly high, as was the case in rwanda when nearly a million people were killed in the 1994 genocide. the u.s. did not intervene there. >> president clinton later said that was the greatest failure of his presidency, and i think it's absolutely right. i think it was a grave moral mistake by the country that is not only the leader of the free world but also the preeminent military power in the world. >> reporter: how do you morally weigh libya versus darfur? >> what i think the administration has not done successfully in libya is made the case about why, if you're going to make a humanitarian intervention, this is the place to do it. there are places in the world that cry out for military intervention. darfur is the most obvious of those, where you have had a genocide go on for a long period of time. successive presidents have chosen not to go to darfur. why libya? why not bahrain? why not yemen? >> reporter: carter says the administration should make public the intelligence it acted upon. >> it's important that it try to e

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bank of buttons that they push it i guess if they push the next one they would have gone to rule rwanda which is next on the alphabetical list so that sounds like a. strange story and i don't think anyone would buy that your sham cause case is often compared to that of victor boot similarly snatched up by the u.s. in thailand and currently on trial in america for arms trafficking some see a tendency here if they can use interpol they can use. picking up the phone to russia and trying to talk about this just going out and kidnapping people i think this is part of the carry over from the bush cheney administration the defense team has long legal but case of provocation and unsuccessfully called for its dismissal the prosecution meanwhile has been fighting to limit the scope of issues that can be addressed during the hearings they want to exclude questions regarding the legality of trying your show in a u.s. court allegedly by lesions in the investigations leading up to his arrest and official conduct during and after the pilot's arrest and essentially all the mean arguments of the differe

for you as oil so it's very important to get the oil pocket we didn't intervene in rwanda we showed the documents in our book on there were one but you have a genocide of nearly a million people and nobody lifted a finger because there was nothing to go in there for that they could for lack of better term rape pillage mineral wealth or you know whatever else international corporations would be. you with artsy now as the u.s. and nato are embroiled in conflicts around the world there's another campaign going on alongside with millions of american taxpayers' dollars pouring into it it seems laura lester explores the information war being waged on the local population. the reality of war and war still and that's why you want to go to war and it's an absolute interest to your national security it's one reason why coalition forces do battle with an information war to fight alongside the real one playing out on the ground in afghanistan for example so what's not widely known by these milestones along toward american history we have surpassed the soviet campaign there we have spent a sectional

that's what prompted the ghost of rwanda. president clinton regretted the fact that he apologized that he didn't intervene to save those people's lives. they could have hired blackwater or somebody to clear that thing up over a few days in rwanda. and they didn't want this to happen again so i think that's what happened again. >> host: rowan referenced your novel plays. >> guest: no, these are plays i've written. >> host: right. but he referenced that. you've written nonfiction. you write poetry. you've written labretto. >> guest: great songs. >> host: you write music. >> guest: yeah. >> >> host: how do you -- is there a dividing line between -- because your novels -- how would you describe your novel -- how would you describe your novels as opposed to your straightforward -- >> guest: i think the novels tend to be more surrealist. and sort of -- there's a tendency toward, you know, the science fiction genre in the novels and that does become a trend among african-american writers. i was at a foundation in minneapolis. i was

administration was probably afraid of having part of its legacy be like that of president clinton's that rwanda was happening and you failed to stop it so i think on the one hand libya was a convenient way to show that the u.s. was taking action in the middle east in the midst of all these uprisings on the flip side of it you have tremendous repression going on in yemen you have the u.s. support for the corrupt monarchy in saudi arabia you see protests today in jordan you see syria also increasingly descending into bloodshed and hillary clinton praising bashar al assad recently as a reformer secretary of defense gates saying that the united states didn't want to comment on the internal affairs of yemen despite the fact that there were fifty more than fifty protesters shot dead the day before the u.s. started bombing libya so you do have what appears to be a contradiction but i would say tom that i. actually u.s. policy is is very consistent they are backing up their people despite the fact that repressive dictators and then they're going after moammar gadhafi because he's the low hanging fruit

and a group to and focus on what's exports induced growth so producing sea and cash crops like in rwanda they were forced to use hockey for export because this was for trade and something that would dramatically in construction. and benefits economic benefits profit center but if you look at the informal colonial era in africa european empires and falling to reconsider was done in the same way they make countries produce certain crops for exports and european nations and then that's making it and she's the and the nations for food and other services creates a dependency so the i.m.f. world bank and essentially create a global and then see south africa region that merican on western europe and north america which heavily subsidize their agricultural products for export and in terms of today going trying to do how the how these institutions use institutions that change the way specifically is that not only are the interesting in kenya to manage on. the so-called developed world but they're also trying to integrate and advance the process and i hope governments by that we mean in emerging n

argument is based on over a decades worth of research and research on the ground in bosnia in kosovo in rwanda i've also researched our for iraq afghanistan and what you find is that rebels often use the same propaganda tactic they start a war that they cannot win on their own and the whole goal is to drag in the united states and its allies on their side and the only way to get the u.s. to come in on their side is to claim that the government is going to massacre civilians they did in bosnia and it worked it didn't cost it worked and so my point is if you're really trying to save civilians what you should do is not play the this rebel game you should say the rebels if you start a rebellion and the government responds by targeting rebels we're not going to get involved the only time that the west's and the international community should get involved is if the government responds grossly disproportionately if the government actually starts targeting civilians intentionally then the international community should come in to stop a bloodbath to stop a genocidal type situation so that was my recom