i went to rwanda in the south africa to really think about this framework. ultimately what i found again and again, and also included in the study thati i looked at is the idea that our criminal justice system as it stands now is not benefiting victims as it should. it is actually the fundamental problem. victims are not giving their needsctct met. they're not at the center of the system sending away from prison which we assume will be feelingn for the victims is more often than not not feeling for that victim. so i actually think it's in common upon us to think about ways to heal the victim and to allow better opportunity to be served by criminal justice system that is not doing a good job that now. >> host: incarceration nation is the name of the book. lee is calling in from new orleans. go ahead. >> caller: i was wondering what her position would be about medical icing drugs, similar to what has happened in portugal whether that could have an impact on the incarceration rates being so high in the united states. >> host: before we get her answer, what's yo

to make ironclad you askedabout me this i start the book in rwanda because i firmly believe the first thing we should talk about with crime is not the offender but the victim and i looked at the alternative prison system of community courts and restitution reparation that benefited the victim's instead of punishing the offender because i really wanted to think about the framework and ultimately what i found is theis the ide criminal-justice system is not benefiting victims as it should but that is the eye of the fundamental problem there not having their needs met sending some away to prison so i do think it is incumbent to think of ways to heal that victim a better opportunity to be served and no not doing a good job of that now. >> incarceration nation is the name of the book our caller is from new orleans go-ahead. >> caller:. >> what would her position me about medicalizing drugsrtugl similar to portugal of that could have an impact on the incarceration rate being sost: e high? with the short answer first? >> i do think that approach is the best to build on that to legalize all dr

. >> reporter: you might remember the genocide in rwanda in the '90s.ot of people are worried that this new country is collapsing and could become the next rwanda. carved out sued of sudan after . >> there were excellent reasons for the united states to support a partition of sudan. where we made our mistake was believing that massive economic assistance and nation building could overcome the longstanding tribal divisions. >> reporter: and tribal fighting has once again plunge the region into a humanitarian crisis the u.n. describes as a c catastrophic. >> estimated 4.8 million are food-insecure in south sudan. we don't have access to all of them. it's a very fluid situation with a lot of violence. >> reporter: since 2013, nearly a million people have fled. during that same time period the u.s. gave south sudan billions of dollars. a former government official recently fled the country. >> the u.s. give a lot of money to south sudan without any accountability. and that has made the leaders in south sudan to be unruly and unaccounted for. >> we're obviou

the same way that president clinton has said that the killing in rwanda, the carnage in rwanda is on his, this will remain with us for a long time. >> and history will be watching us and they continue to watch us and our behavior and the allowance of the hundreds of thousands of people who have died in syria and that president ass said that assad had to go. >>> and breaking news tonight, two american swimmers detained in brazil are expected to return home to the united states tonight as we get new surveillance video of what really happened. and it's interesting. >>> plus deadly flooding is devastating louisiana, with the president now coming under fire for not going to tour the damage and be with the people there, evangelical leader tony perkins is there with his personal story from the devastati energy is a complex challenge. people want power. and power plants account for more than a third of energy-related carbon emissions. the challenge is to capture the emissions before they're released into the atmosphere. exxonmobil is a leader in carbon capture. our team is working to make th

we had him last year when he spoke about rwanda and delicate moments and countries like rwanda and in the case that have had presidents who have sought to stay on longer than our two-term construct this is his mandate to think about these countries and the entirety of these violence and instability in the united states wants to do what it can to help stabilize this crucial part of africa. i should say that the rc is, as most most of you know one of the three or four pivotal states of africa by any measure. its population is now about 80 million plus or minus. that is third after nigeria and ethiopia on the continent. the landmasses second after algeria. algeria is largely desert which means the rc's final way the largest country in terms of available land with a lot of resources on it in all of africa. we all used to here 15 or 20 years ago about how this was the place where there had been a great war for great interstate war in africa because the rc orders nine different countries and it's right there in the middle of the continent. it's maybe only a slight exaggeration to say that a

the same way that president clinton has said that the killing in rwanda the carnage in rwanda is on hisremain with us for a long time. >> and history will be watching us and they continue to watch us and our behavior and the allowance of the hundreds of thousands of people who have died in syria and that president assad said that assad had to go. >>> and breaking news tonight, two american swimmers detained in brazil are expected to return home to the united states tonight as we get new surveillance video of what really happened. and it's interesting. >>> plus deadly flooding is devastating louisiana, with the president now coming under fire for not going to tour the damage and be with the people there, evangelical leader tony perkins is there with his personal story from the devastation. . . (lionel) ♪it's peyton...♪ ♪it's peyton on sunday mornings.♪ (peyton) you know with directv nfl sunday ticket you can watch your favorite team no matter where you live. like broncos or colts. (cashier) cool. (peyton) ah...18. the old number. ooh. i have got a coupon for that one. (vo) get nfl sunday

today, a family in rwanda invites us to their home. ♪ >> welcome to my living room.e a small seating area. and a television. i really like these curtains. at first they wanted 3000 rwandan francs for them. i paid 2,000. actually 1500 would have been enough, but i liked the curtains so much. this is my husband. we live together happily. we wed in 1998, so we've been married for a long time. we have four children, three sons and a daughter. they're all in school or training. ♪ ♪ >> in the evening when we've finished our chores, we watch tv or listen to the radio in our living room. we've never been apart. we've never had problems. two of our children have just finished school and two still go to school. we thank god that though we're not rich, we're happy. thank you for visiting our living room. may god protect you. i wish you happiness. >> next week, we visit the amazonian rainforests of peru where, since time immemorial, indigenous fishermen have been hunting the region's largest freshwater fish. the arapaima is a delicacy in the country. but now even children are ge

bosnia and rwanda it was a kind of empathy and compassion. we have a different administration right now and i think most of us do right to affect policy in some way. that's the role is to shine light in the darkest corners but whether we can reach policymakers is beyond us but that's our goal to get the resolutions made and to be honored in the transitional justice to have an accountability that is the main thing i work for. i don't want them to have immunity. i want them to end up getting justice served to them it was geared towards telling the public what was happening on the ground. and the war that we have to let even capitol hill or policymakers not listening to the public is. >> we had so many over the last few years in iraq and afghanistan people were immune to this and it's difficult to actually shocked people anymore and i think that people are tired of it all and wish it would go away. frankly afghanistan and the uk gets almost no coverage now it's also become more dangerous to cover them. there've been changes since i started out.

let me revert to rwanda. in 1990 the landlocked city, no natural resources and recovering from civil war. fast forward about a decade and a half and now you find gleamingly clean city streets booming services economy within the city, g.d.p. growth of 11% between 2002-2012. job growth of 4.5% over and above the national average. what did the city do without natural resources? first they looked at what they had available. and they had guerrillas. so they decided to build a public-private coalition and decided to look at the constraints for developing tourism. this is east africa which is a booming tourism sector in the region but they decided they'd go after high end tourism. the city of keygali found that those coming for the guerrillas in rwanda wanted cleanliness and safety in the city. these were the same values and the same things that conference tourism -- mattered to conference tourism so they came up with a strategy where they went after my sector which is the meetings conferences and events and were at

let me take you to valley and rwanda. landlocked city, no natural resources and recovering from civil war. and halfard a decade moving service economy within the city. gdp growth 11%. .ob growth for client 5% it didn't have any natural resources. first we looked at what they had available. they had guerrillas. they decided to hold a public private corporation and look at tourism. booming tourism sector. they decided they would go into tourism. tourists would value things like liability, safety notice in the city. these were the same values that tourism -- a decided to come up , the conference and event center. at the same time they also make investments to make sure the workforce can go ahead. i don't know if this is true, but the world bank had a debate about whether cities and policymakers should be choosing between horizontal intervention or looking more at industrial strategies. ist we find in the research those are the successful cities. to doingged to devote them together. that is what matters. who does these things

something [congregation singing] 24 hours, more than a quarter of a million people have fled from rwandats terrors. singing]tion >> anyone who ventures outdoors is fair game. red cross and you and relief u.n. reliefnd convoys are targeted. singing]tion [indiscernible] ♪ ♪ i thinkf: -->> congressman will take some questions now. >> yes, sir? >> i'm a practicing hindu. one of my interests has seem to --of christians in the majority of muslim countries. they had hearings and commissions and talks and papers. more christians are being killed and persecuted and the end .esult is not any better it has gotten worse. my question to you, sir, is what will motivate western countries, especially the u.s.? i think we have a moral obligation to advocate for any group that is being persecuted because of their beliefs. i was the chairman of the muslim caucus on capitol hill. to -- the armst embargo for the muslims. when the war was fighting, i went down to chechnya to advocate for people. i think you seem things, the breakdown. this is to be a bipartisan issue. if a president reagan, scoop and tom lant

words from the german development minister as he embarks on a five-date trip to senegal, niger, and rwanda. he is touting a program that will encourage european countries to invest in africa in the hopes of creating prosperity that so many citizens desperately seek. it is a theory that is already bearing fruit, in senegal. reporter: he is returning to a place full of bad memories. 10 years ago he paid 500 euros to take a fishing boat to the canary islands, the spanish province off the west coast of africa. he thought he would have a better life there and be able to send money back to his family in senegal. "i started out on this very beach, but the trip was so risky. i will never do anything like that again. life and death are no longer in your hands. those six days were the worst days of my life." he was picked up by the spanish coast guard and immediately deported back to senegal. since then, the tide of migrants has fallen to a trickle, and the village has returned to fishing. the reason that those votes are not leaving for europe anymore is mainly because of the increased border patrol

more overwhelming than those responsible for the genocide in rwanda or the mass atrocities committed in bosnia or another crime scenes. across the world. of thosest evidence a.m. the one i continue to have contact with is the evidence of the so-called seizure files. those are recent. frankly, he recently gave a 44-page statement to a magistrate in a european country and he continues to cooperate with accountability. i continue to salute his bravery and the bravery of all these individuals that have brought hissolid documentation but is some of the most impressive i've ever seen. policea career military investigator who took pictures of crime scenes and in 2011 he was in this role and the government and 10 others photographed scores of bodies dumped in the hospital every day. during the course of the time from may 2011 until he defected in august of 2013, he took a great risk for himself into his family. his group took more than 50,000 photos and these are photos and many of you have seen some of them on public display at the holocaust museum and at the u.s. capital and elsewhere. the

you see it and rwanda. that society is recovering. you see it there. asking this question because they want to know the answer. bryan: we said we're not going to talk about it. we're going to really be in trouble if we let these people show us. constructed an illegal world that enforced the narrative of white supremacy. people in the north tolerated that. decisions a conscious to not talk about these things. president woodrow wilson heralded it. period congress that they were not going to talk about it. people said we're not going to deal with that and that has been our history. that is part of the story. we have not asked questions about the culpability. charlie: incarceration. joe sullivan said you were like a father to him. i feel that i represent a lot of people who have made some terrible mistakes that they are incredible human beings. they have so much to give yet that we have condemned them. especially young kids. he was 13 when he was wrongfully convicted and given a life without parole sentence. a lot of those young people are desperate for so

people have donated prom gowns and wigs and tiger costumes and pumpkins and frostbite cream to rwandar: you may not think sending bottled of water to devastated people seems crazy. but she points out. >> this water it is 100,000 liters will provide drinking water for 40,000 people for one day. this amount of water to send from the united states, say, to west africa, and people did this, cost about $300,000. but relief organizations, with portable water purification units can produce the same amount, 100,000 liters of water for about $300. >> reporter: then there were warm-hearted american women who wanted to send breast milk to nursing mothers in haiti after the 2010 earthquake. >> it sounds wonderful. in the midst of a crisis actually one of the most challenging things. rebecca gustafson, humanitarian aid expert worked on the ground after many disasters. >> breast milk doesn't stay fresh very long. the challenge is, what happens if you do give it to an infant who then gets sick? >> caller indicating thinks there is some one shooting in the building. >> reporter: december 2012, newtow

they hire people to go into rwanda and south africa and so forth to actually deliver services, the malaria drus. >> why does charity watch say when they look at it, they can't call it a charity. they can't rate it? >> it's not the different foundations. >> robin hood in new york passes on 100% of wait gets in. for other charities, we're always advised -- >> either you don't understand what i'm saying or you don't want to believe it. >> i don't believe what you're saying because i read what charity watch said and i looked at the documents and i can do math and that's why i don't believe what you said. i looked at the irs records. they say half is going to charity and half is within the organization. >> because they're hiring services. >> how do you battle back -- >> 11.5 million people with hiv/aids education that wouldn't have it. >> how do you file back against the a.p. report when it shows half the money -- all the e-mails as you follow them, as they go from the head of the foundation in to the secretary of state's office and say this person had tried to get into the normal channels, the

i was at a wedding rwanda and n indicated that rwanda internal or whatever it is tax a fee on anybody who uses a martphone to make withdrawal from a banker to pay bill, and you know, we've all seen, you know, your cell phone uponhas those tax upon tax tax. in the know, living eveloped countries and such, having the internet penetration, the use of smartphones in countries, i think there's an issue with the taxes.s for the what is your take on that industry? >> i agree with the asian megha ctive and i think may have a lot of other examples. structure t telco today i see it in india. making a callt of is nearly zero, less than one per minute, no

he established an offshore site in rwanda two years ago. hehe sees the country as a growg market with potential for software companies. >> translator: the intererns ar potent and gaining learning and working experience in japan. we expect they will continue improving their skills after going back home. then they will be the key figures in my company that can lead younger local engineers. >> reporter: as japan increases its prisons on the continent, expectations are mounting for africans from the country and japan. takafumi terui, nhk world, tokyo. >>> japan's paralympic track team left for pregame training camp in new york before the start of the rio games next month. the 18 athletes met reporters at the airport near tokyo. saki, competing in the long jump said she will try not to forget the spirit of the challenge and remember to enjoy everything. >> translator: i will aim for a medal in long jump. >> tomoki sato, the 2015 world champion in the men's 400 meters wheelchair race, said he will do his best to win gold with support from many pe

welfare programs, and by contrast other countries has not done that area and if you look at where rwanda is today, it speaks volumes about the contributions women. thank you for raising that. let me turn and ask you the same question. -- are on the front row front lines in south africa. what can you tell us about the lessons learned relating to engaging women. manyoni: thank you for the opportunity to give these inputs. the work we do promotes self-reliance for women in self-help groups. an honest response to your question? by my organization and other partners that we went with, we are aware of the mdg's, my experience was not to be intentionally working at making sure everything we did was aiming towards it, but in hindsight we indirectly work towards achieving them. our work with women in these groups, we have heard reports of accelerating economic growth. where women begin to cool their resources together. bigalso they have access to things. for example, access to loans, giving the projects in the generational initiatives. for these women, establishing a safety net and their principa

you see it in rwanda. that society is recovering.would not happen if people said we would not talk about the genocide. you see it in south africa and other places in the world because charlie: i'm asking this question because they want to know the answer. did we just not talk about slavery? bryan: we said we're not going to talk about it. we are going to feel bad about ourselves if we feel like the losers of the war. we're going to really be in trouble if we let these people show us they are our evil so they constructed a legal, cultural and social world that reinforce the narrative of white supremacy. that was the narrative that created slavery and people of the north tolerated that. yes, it was a conscious decision to not talk about these things. president woodrow wilson heralded birth of a nation and said we would not talk about these things. when lynching was going on, we are not going to talk about that. people said we're not going to deal with that and that has been our history. charlie: i didn't know that about woodrow wilson

for five months after he graduated from college, our son worked in rwanda, getting aids drugs to patientsmaking sure the drugs didn't fall into the hands of those who would sell them on the european market. a classic example of how the clinton global initiative works. they do two things, to make sure aid to developing countries works. one, it gets the governments to commit to keeping their hands off the money. two, they convince the donors in europe, the united states and elsewhere, that that is one aid program that gets all the money to the people intended. it's not getting to get lost on the route between donor and recipient like so much aid has been over the past year. so if you ask me if i believe in the clinton global initiative, i am. i've seen how it works. proud they've found a way to serve the world, to encourage giving and to make sure good people get what they need, without bad people trying to grab their piece of it. so let's keep our eye on potential conflicts, not on the clinton effort itself. shutting down the clinton effort would hardly make this a bad world. getting other

we will also see what cases are much more common in the cases of rwanda and crimes in latin america thathave been prosecuted in europe because perpetrators have gone there and there are several perpetrators in europe that have been identified in cases built against them but those are particularly important cases, we don't want them heading back to syria. we want a strong case strong enough that when they are arrested there is evidence to hold them until the time of trial but there are a number of cases being made. my own role in my current role with the holocaust museum and largely working on this issue of documenting ongoing crimes to assist national and international prosecution when we don't have the capacity to do it themselves but i'm not sitting there saying prosecute this guy or prosecute this guy. trying to make sure they have the evidence, connections are made, documentation centers are open to judges, magistrates, and they are, the siege moved from brussels, their investigators are going and digging out these files and asking additional information and doing their own work. the

million journalists have witnessed what happens in rwanda and africa and other part of africa. >> absolutely but i think it important for viewers to hear this. 11.5 million people have access to hiv aids drugs because of clinton foundation in developing countries around the world. 80 to 90% has been of malaria drugs have been reduced of the clinton foundation. literally 50,000 afternoon can kids are alive today because of the clinton foundation. >> can you do good work. it doesn't mean there's not impropriety somewhere. there's no direct evidence -- >> that is the point, that there is no evidence whatsoever in any of these e-mails that any action was taken that was improper. >> right now. >> that was improper. >> i will get you in, alice and angela after we take this quick break. we'll be right back. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, with

earlier i mentioned that i start the book in rwanda focusing on victims and the needs of victimt and continue that threat throughout the book. i firmly believe that victim should be at the heart of our criminal justice system.he i would say to you that you deserve to live in a society where you are not victimizing clearly that is not the case. it's incumbent upon us to build a safer community, not through prisons that don't build safer communities and in my belief in the belief of many people love looked at this issue, and likewise, you deserve to be served well by a justice by a justice system as a victim in terms of restitution and reparation and healing and all of the things that victims are deserving of. . . i think many of us do and i think also believe in our capacity for empathy being tremendous that we can empathize with victims and build a criminal justice system that serves their needs well. host: let's hear from jim in temple, texas. go ahead, jim c3 hello. caller: one of the things the public should know is that it is so expensive that many people go ahead and take prison

york times" saying that the foundation lobbied the state department to shift an hiv/aids program in rwanda and on and on and on. and it's all smoke and no fire and no conflict of interest, nobody did anything wrong. you can understand why americans can say, wait a minute, this isn't supposed to happen. >> of course, the biggest issue is this is endemic of the conflict of interest part of our political system. let's not pretend this doesn't happen in congress all the time. >> it's not supposed to happen. look, the alderman in chicago who has a fund-raiser at the bar for the local community group, the asphalt contractor, donates $10,000 and then allegedly you're -- i'm making this up as an example, gets the contract to pavement streets in chicago. how do authorities go after this? how can they prove potential wrongdoing if there is any or is everyone like mo, larry and curly, they don't know anything, they don't see anything and there's nothing to see here, folks, just move along? >> i think from the perspective of voters, what this comes down to is trustworthiness. i think it's yet to be se

more overwhelming the and the kind of evidence we had on those who were responsible for evidence and rwanda. acrossther crime scenes the world. the biggest evidence of a and when i continue to have contact with is evidence from the so-called caesar file. i went to sam recently and he is 44good shape but he gave a page statement to a magistrate in a european country that he is continuing to cooperate. appreciate his bravery and the bravery of all people that have brought out the documentation. , militaryareer please police investigator who investigated crime scenes and in -- until hein the defected in aust 2013, he was hist with himself and family. his group took more then 50,000 photos many of you have seen some of them on public display. they are incredible. in ones that are shown people of all ages, move most of , starved. not just a start. isaac gouged. bones broken. -- eyes galveston. bones broken. chemical burns. people if is rated. removed. the number system was set whole is used. medical personnel came down and held cards in front of each of and caesarhe number when in every night an

[congregation singing] >> 24 hours, more than a quarter of a million people have fled from rwanda anderrors. [congregation singing] >> anyone who ventures outdoors is fair game. red cross and u.n. relief convoys are targeted. [congregation singing] [indiscernible] ♪ >> i think congressman wolf will take some questions now. >> yes, sir? >> i'm a practicing hindu. one of my interests has seem to follow the -- of christians in the majority of muslim countries. they had hearings and commissions and talks and papers. more christians are being killed and persecuted and the end result is not any better. it has gotten worse. my question to you, sir, is what will motivate western countries, especially the u.s.? rep. wolf: i think we have a moral obligation to advocate for any group that is being persecuted because of their beliefs. i was the chairman of the muslim caucus on capitol hill. i led the effort to -- the arms embargo for the muslims. when the war was fighting, i went down to chechnya to advocate for people. i think we've seen two things, the breakdown. this used to be a bipartisan is

many take you to rwanda. landlocked city, no natural resources, recovering from civil war. fast-forward about 15 years, you find clean city streets, a booming service economy within the city, gdp growth of about 2012, jobn 2002 and growth of about 4.5% above the national average. they did not have any natural resources. first, they look at what they had available. it turns out they had gorillas. they decided to build a public-private coalition. this is east africa, a booming tourism sector in the region. they decided to go after high-end tourism. they noticed that these high-end tourists coming for the gorillas valued things like reliability, -- safety,eanliness and cleanliness in the city. they decided to come up with a strategy where they went after the meetings, conferences, and events sector. they make investment in human theirl making sure that workforce was training in french and english. i don't know this is true in a lot of policy sectors, but there is a busy debate about whether policymakers should be choosing between economy wide horizontal targetons or looking at

i've had the honor of traveling with the clinton foundation to rwanda, to ethiopia, to senegal. i have seen first-hand babies that are receiving hiv/aids medication because of the work of the clinton foundation. and i think it is very convenient for ned to make a joke about oh, why doesn't the clinton foundation send money down there. trish: i know what you're saying. wonderful foundation and has many good charitable -- >> has incredible impact. trish: one, it is not clear they're sending majority of their money to charity. at looks from the financial records a lot of money is going to overhead. >> it is going to operating costs because it is operating foundation and we can not, i'm sorry -- trish: hang on, here is my question. i have not given the question. >> i'm uncomfortable people sitting here in my family, everyone will die because of clinton foundation. >> no, no. >> that is a fact. that is a fact. you're comfortable with people dying because -- trish: can i ask a question. why does she not want it to exist if she becomes president of the united states? >> it does not she

he had a girlfriend, wanted to limit it so i did five months in rwanda after the genocide. he worked there and made sure the aids drugs didn't go into the european black market. what the clinton people do which is really tough, they say give to us, the drugs, pay for them and we will make sure the local government doesn't steal it. this is a big thing in aid. most aid gets stolen. what the clinton people do is we will make sure if you give to them, the money will get to the right people. it will benefit people. it won't be another one of these jokes most foreign aid is. it's a good cause. >> look -- all the more reason to your point they should cut it off now. all the more reason to ask the question -- >> who will pick it up? who is going to do what bill clinton's been doing? >> it's not like bill clinton is standing there handing out the aid himself. he's got an entire team. it will still be his name. it will still be his organization. >> he's mr. charm. let's take a look at carville. i think carville is always incredibly honest. you don't have to believe that he's biparti

in 1994, rwanda. look today the mess we have in the middle east. people are murdered, not because they're criminals, but because they might believe different. they might have a different religion. they might have a different skin color. that's why they're murdered. so my -- and i'm aware of it and i'm sure you're aware of it because you're here. but my message would be that everybody knows about a bully in the neighborhood, in the school, in the neighborhood. and a bully, as you all know, he or she wants to get away with terrible things. in my opinion, hitler was the worst bully that ever walked the earth. and people are afraid of a bully. my advice is, don't be afraid of a bully. it takes a lot of courage. never approach a bully on your own. ask for help. a teacher, principal, parents, grandparents. if none of the people that can help you is available, use your phone or borrow somebody's phone and call the police and tell them what's going on. you can think, drugs, alcohol, beatings, you can figure out anything. and people that you ask for help, t