rwanda.nd therefore, until today, there is no process of reconciliation. and if...we are not reconciled as one nation, how can you build sustainable development? so if the people come in rwanda and they stay in the capital, in kigali, of course they can think that rwanda is developed, but we stay a poor country in the world. you know that rwanda is among 25 poorest countries in the world. i just want to be clear about what you're saying. when you refer back, of course, to the 1994, the terrible, unutterably terrible genocide of �*91i, which left so many hundreds of thousands of rwandans dead, when you say that reconciliation has not been achieved, you seem to be sort of countering the reality of rwanda. i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but for three decades since then, rwanda hasn't seen serious inter—communal violence. we've seen the rwandan government pass various different laws and even change the constitution to ensure that there can be no ethnic basis for law—making in the country. and,

rwanda is proud to be part of the solution — rwanda is proud to be part of the solution to— rwanda isn to a crisis that is a migration crisis. it is crucial to recognise _ migration crisis. it is crucial to recognise that the uk supreme court is rooted _ recognise that the uk supreme court is rooted in _ recognise that the uk supreme court is rooted in the echr commitments... inclusive _ is rooted in the echr commitments... inclusive refugee policies. so, it tregs— inclusive refugee policies. so, it begs the — inclusive refugee policies. so, it begs the following question: how did we go _ begs the following question: how did we go to— begs the following question: how did we go to model to dangerous country in four— we go to model to dangerous country in four years — we go to model to dangerous country in fouryears and we go to model to dangerous country in four years and how much of this is linked _ in four years and how much of this is linked to— in four years and how much of this is linked to internal uk politics? this ireing — is linked to internal uk politics? this being said, i w

within rwanda. by the co—presidents. we have been working, and this comes to the point she's making about the money that has been spent by the british government, as is the case with many countries around the world, government spends money capacity building with our international partners. and we have been working extensively, i am going to make progress, we will be working, we have been working extensively with rwanda to build capacity, too. the treaty makes clear that anyone relocated to rwanda cannot, cannot be removed from rwanda to another country except back to the united kingdom. it is binding in international law. and it enhances the role of the independent monitoring committee, which will have the power to set its own priority areas for monitoring. the committee will have unfettered access to monitor the entire relocation process. from initial screening to relocation and settlements in rwanda. relocated individuals and legal representatives will be able to lodge confidential complaints dire

i want to recap what the foreign minister of rwanda said: he said that rwanda has a belief in what ist is of course in response to much of the criticism that has been levelled against the country in terms of its safety record. he said that the information that the uk supreme court has relied on is speculative, and he also blamed some of the perception... mackie said it was linked to the internal uk politics that we have here in the uk. in terms of what james cleverly talked about, he talked about rwanda's strong reputation for humane treatment of migrants and refugees. those were his words, and the uk pass commitment to safety and working with the manner in that regard. he also said that the robustness of rwanda's judicial system is clear. he talked about expanding work when it comes to tourism and the agricultural development of the country. he said that it development of the country. he said thatitis development of the country. he said that it is something he is proud of that it is something he is proud of that the treaty amplifies the relationship between the two countries. this is

chris mason, bbc news, rwanda.nment says the rwanda deal will help bring down illegal migration. so far this year 29,000 people have crossed the channel on small boats. danny savage has been to north nottinghamshire to find out what people make of the government's migration plans. worksop in north nottinghamshire, a long way from rwanda. but decisions there may affect the way people think here about illegal migration. i think they should go as volunteers, not forced. if they think they are going to get a butter life, it doesn't matter where they are. a, life, it doesn't matter where they are. �* ., ., are. a few weeks ago the prime minister came _ are. a few weeks ago the prime minister came to _ are. a few weeks ago the prime minister came to this _ are. a few weeks ago the prime minister came to this very - are. a few weeks ago the prime minister came to this very cafe l are. a few weeks ago the prime l minister came to this very cafe to lay out his thoughts on the issue. we have got to stop this merry—go—round a

., ,, ., rwanda.braverman says if you _ rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says if you have - rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says if you have to - rwanda. so in a situation or suella braverman says if you have to set | braverman says if you have to set aside the echr, so be it, but that will not happen?— will not happen? highly unlikely that the attorney _ will not happen? highly unlikely that the attorney general - will not happen? highly unlikely that the attorney general will i will not happen? highly unlikely . that the attorney general will allow that. so that the attorney general will allow that. . ., . that the attorney general will allow that. , , ., , that the attorney general will allow that. , , ., , that. so this still has to become legislation? _ that. so this still has to become legislation? what _ that. so this still has to become legislation? what jonathan - that. so this still has to become l legislation? what jonathan james that. so this still has to become

. they make to rwanda. if they make it to the uk, we exclusive reveal the sheer volume of people waiting to cross the channel. >> is a running joke >> rwanda is a running joke amongst migrants and we amongst the migrants and we expose human traffickers expose the human traffickers tactics sunak the boats tactics sunak stop the boats policy hasn't made a blind bit of difference. immigration minister robert jenrick has resigned after suella braverman set out her ultimatum. >> and if the prime minister leads that fight, he has my total support . thank you leads that fight, he has my total support. thank you . total support. thank you. >> well, moments later, the rwanda deal was published in suella immediately said it was rubbish. now rwanda is threatening to pull out of the deal , saying that they don't deal, saying that they don't trust britain to uphold international law . and as we're international law. and as we're about to prove right here on this show, it won't work anyway. rishi sunak , your time is up.

jerry rwanda are you are you a rwanda man ? rwanda man? >> i don't disagree with the principle all.we picked the wrong country . picked the wrong country. there's nothing wrong with moving people to other places, but rwanda wasn't the best idea . but rwanda wasn't the best idea. and even priti patel, i remember she made speeches saying, well, there's a 50% chance that it's going to be challenged in the courts. so we're going to have to renegotiate an awful lot of treaties . and, you know, i'm treaties. and, you know, i'm going to sound really patronising, but i'm really pleased that you voted with the government tonight. seriously it sounds terrible. >> i'm sorry. you would , because >> i'm sorry. you would, because it was the right thing to do because you've got to try and support this government because at the end of the day we let labour in. >> there's going to be a lot of trouble. >> do you want to defend the labour party briefly before we move on? >> we could hardly do >> i say we could hardly do a worse job than this bunch clowns. >> that's having election. clowns. >> stephen

. they make to rwanda. if they make it to the uk, we exclusive reveal the sheer volume of people waiting to cross the channel. >> is a running joke >> rwanda is a running joke amongst migrants and we amongst the migrants and we expose human traffickers expose the human traffickers tactics sunak the boats tactics sunak stop the boats policy hasn't made a blind bit of difference. immigration minister robert jenrick has resigned after suella braverman set out her ultimatum. >> and if the prime minister leads that fight, he has my total support . thank you leads that fight, he has my total support. thank you . total support. thank you. >> well, moments later, the rwanda deal was published in suella immediately said it was rubbish. now rwanda is threatening to pull out of the deal , saying that they don't deal, saying that they don't trust britain to uphold international law . and as we're international law. and as we're about to prove right here on this show, it won't work anyway. rishi sunak , your time is up.

it is said thatis deems rwanda to be safe.llegitimate, legaltechnique. it is said perpetrator a fiction in law. that is precisely the same fiction which the labour government adopted in 2004 in the immigration treatment of claimants act. no. yes, it was it was changed if years later but in the case before the house of lords, their lordships upheld as a matter of law the deeming of countries to be safe and within the law. and indeed, they went on to say, lord hoffmann being one of them, that while parliament deemed its such, there was plainly risks. if the home office it did not keep an eye on the state and conditions in the nations from the countries that were thus deemed, but otherwise, it complied with the law in the courts would respect parliament was my decision. what is said in this case is ah, there is a supreme court decision, which has already held rwanda not to be a country for the purpose, to be safe for the purposes of the guarantee against refilament. and it is said for this house to overrule the decision of the su

i am not based in rwanda. the supreme court findings, which is the highest court of our land, that spent serious amounts of time and poured over vast amounts of evidence and came to these findings of fact and painted a picture of a dysfunctional system. i believe that that court is what we listen to, not james cleverly and not policy and not other politicians spinning what they what they're trying to sell. at the end of the day, this is a cash for humans deal, and that people who are interested to make it work will tell you anything you want to hear, but you cannot change what the findings of fact are. on the programme in the next few minutes, the latest from the middle east. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. the uk government has suffered a defeat in the commons — its first since 2019 — over delays in compensation payments to victims of the nhs contaminated blood scandal. thousands of patients were given tainted blood products in the 1970s and

rwanda is a partner of the refu . ee today? rwanda is a partner of the refugee convention _ today?ay? rwanda is a partner of the refugee convention and we - today? rwanda is a partner of the refugee convention and we are i today? rwanda is a partner of the refugee convention and we are a | today? rwanda is a partner of the - refugee convention and we are a safe place for refugees. this is something that needed to be said and combined in documents as a treaty so we have gone the extra mile to reaffirm this commitment to make sure there is going to be absolutely no case of this... we have included commitments that nobody will be removed from rwanda, people who are not found to be refugees, that is one of the... not found to be refugees, that is one of them— not found to be refugees, that is one of the. .. what else have you si . ned one of the. .. what else have you signed no _ one of the. .. what else have you signed no to _ one of the. .. what else have you signed no to in — one of the. .. what else have you signed up to in terms _ one of the. .. what else have you signed up to in

sent to rwanda yet.hat something else is much more effort and the money going into this what should be spent instead on policing and international coordinated efforts to tackle those who are facilitating people smuggling, moving people across from france to the uk. amongst conservative mps, broadly, they believe the government should be pursuing this strategy, some on the right of the conservative party are holding their fire for the minute. they say they are looking at this treaty and will deliver their verdict on it. they want a tough line, if anything, a tougher line on the more centrist side of the conservative party. others are concerned that legislation that will accompany this will come to parliament, they do not want to see that undermining in any way the uk's obligations under international law, under european law to human rights fundamental basic human rights protections, so they are concerned as well stop by just looking forward briefly, what is the rough kind of timeline here given, of course

. >> pro rwanda plan . tory mps are >> pro rwanda plan. tory mps are locked in crunch meetings with top legal experts to determine if that new rwanda deal is going to be workable. if it's not, they'll revolt and it could bnng they'll revolt and it could bring sunak down. i will make sure you're right on the inside of this with our own legal expert and a prominent member of the erg, the group scrutinising cleverly's new deal. this is the show to watch for rwanda plan fans and do whinge and ginge need armed protection when they come to the uk. harry is challenging the home office. i say if you don't feel safe here then don't bother coming you massive traitor and 91 year old woman died because a foreign care home worker who never passed an english exam . ironic passed an english exam. ironic couldn't communicate with 999 call handlers. is it racist to expect care home workers to speak fluent english? what's wrong? as well with this picture 7 wrong? as well with this picture ? yeah two blokes have come first in un second in a women's cycling e

damian grammaticas, _ rwanda is not safe. damian grammaticas, for _ rwanda is not safe.ent, thank you very much. it's one of the most prestigious, career—defining arts awards in the world. previous winners of the turner prize have included steve mcqueen, grayson perry and damian hirst. and in the last hour, this year's winner has been announced. let's ta ke let's take a look. and the winner is, ladies and gentlemen, jesse darling. cheering and applause it's nice to see some happy faces on the news. jesse darling won for art using tattered unionjack flags and barbed wire. we can go live to the ceremony in eastbourne and our culture and media editor katie razzall. hello from eastbourne. as you say, the price for this year has been announced, and i'm delighted to say the winning artistjesse darling is here with me. very many congratulations. i wonder what it feels to win. it congratulations. i wonder what it feels to win-— feels to win. it feels all right. better than — feels to win. it feels all right. better than all— feels to win. it feels all right. better than all righ

the rwanda treaty does not require us to send people to rwanda, it is enabling _ send people to rwandaparticularly in recent weeks. _ and centre, particularly in recent weeks. to— and centre, particularly in recent weeks, to break international law in order— weeks, to break international law in order to _ weeks, to break international law in order to get — weeks, to break international law in order to get this gimmick across the line. order to get this gimmick across the line that— order to get this gimmick across the line that is— order to get this gimmick across the line. that is where the damage has been _ line. that is where the damage has been done — line. that is where the damage has been done. anybody speaking to our international partners knows full well our — international partners knows full well our reputation has been tarnished. i will take you up on your— tarnished. i will take you up on your challenge. they should be a general— your challenge. they should be a general election. leaders of the opposition will always call for a general— opposition will always call for a gen

. to rwanda.s high as >> so the numbers are as high as they've ever been. the french appear openly be laughing at appear to openly be laughing at us.the appear to openly be laughing at us. the channel appear us. the channel migrants appear to at us to be openly laughing at us and we do reveal some new tactics that the human traffickers are using suppose jacob using as well. i suppose jacob the really is does the question really is does rishi have to i don't rishi sunak have to go? i don't know how you feel about that. >> well , what know how you feel about that. >> well, what i was going to ask you is that the prime minister says the numbers are down by a third. albanian aren't third. the albanian aren't coming. they do seem to have been successes the been some successes with the illegal migrants. been some successes with the ille well, igrants. been some successes with the ille well, igrarexclusive that been some successes with the ille wegotgrarexclusive that been some successes with the illeweg

so you can't take me to rwanda . i mean, that's me to rwanda.at could happen here? well i don't think that's going to sway the judges, but what the point is so the bar is so high that there's not going to be any individual challenge that is not the problem. the problem is the incompatibility of the bill with europe in courts and the right of the european courts to intervene. that is the problem. and then you have clause five, which says that ministers can overrule an injunction application . but if a minister application. but if a minister does that, guess what will happen? they'll appellants will run off to the high court again and judicial review it. so you know, we're going to have year, a year of this, right. >> okay, ronald. and then i'll give final word susan. give a final word to susan. >> this exactly the point. >> so this is exactly the point. this the needs to this is where the bill needs to be up. those be tightened up. so those ministers acting on behalf of this country on of this country and on on behalf of parliament, can make deci

they'll be forced to be shipped to rwanda . and as be shipped to rwanda.ven refugees a fair hearing when they've come here. having taken dangerous journeys and many refugees from afghanistan who've had to take those dangerous journeys have gone on to settle in the uk, to rebuild their lives, to contribute as law abiding citizens playing by the rules . rwanda means that won't rules. rwanda means that won't be allowed to do that . be allowed to do that. >> so enver, you by that answer , >> so enver, you by that answer, you assume that this will actually pass quite quickly and become people will become effective and people will go to rwanda . go to rwanda. >> oh, my assumption. listening to the prime minister is that he wants it to happen and he's going to do everything that he can possibly do to make it happen. i'm sure there will be other legal challenges, but i think that's the government's desire and the government will try and make it happen, will try its damnedest, in its words , to its damnedest, in its words, to get flights off the ground to rwanda. i

being sent to rwanda. rwanda. a breatherfor the prime minister for now, but we will see the tory sceptics again in the new year, facing an emboldened rishi sunak. shortly after that vote this evening i spoke to ben bradley, tory mp for mansfield and part of the �*common sense group�* of conservatives, which is seen as on the right of the party. he voted with the government for the bill. does he now wanted toughened up? i want us to deliver the toughest possible stance that we can, because we've promised for a long time that we're going to deliver not just sending illegal migrants to rwanda to be processed, but stopping the boats. this is a key part of that. it's one part of it. but we've got to work through that process now over the next couple of months to get it as strong as it can be. but today is in principle. do we want to send illegal migrants to be processed in rwanda? yes, we do, because we promised it for a long time. but if it goes any further, then the prime minister risks losing the people on t

, for sure, they will not rwanda, for sure, they will not stay in rwanda , even if rwanda stay in rwandaurn in europa. >> so for me, the new treaty is not a solution to deter the immigration, to cross the channels , they have to find channels, they have to find other solution . other solution. >> okay, victoire ingabire, umuhoza, thank you very much for joining us on the show and giving us your expert insights live from rwanda. there you have it. you know, she lives there. she's an activist. she doesn't think in hell of think there's a hope in hell of this getting off the ground. okay moving on. we'll have lots more on this big story 5:00, more on this big story at 5:00, of course. and there's plenty of coverage website, coverage on our website, gbnews.com. and you've helped to make fastest growing make it the fastest growing national news website the national news website in the country. very much. country. so thank you very much. now on, police are searching for a male suspect after a 29 year old woman was stabbed in a village in south wales . police village in south wales. police said

so you can't take me to rwanda . i mean, that's me to rwanda. could happen here? well i don't think that's going to sway the judges, but what the point is so the bar is so high that there's not going to be any individual challenge that is not the problem. the problem is the incompatibility of the bill with europe in courts and the right of the european courts to intervene. that is the problem. and then you have clause five, which says that ministers can overrule an injunction application . but if a minister application. but if a minister does that, guess what will happen? they'll appellants will run off to the high court again and judicial review it. so you know, we're going to have year, a year of this, right. >> okay, ronald. and then i'll give final word susan. give a final word to susan. >> this exactly the point. >> so this is exactly the point. this the needs to this is where the bill needs to be up. those be tightened up. so those ministers acting on behalf of this country on of this country and on on behalf of parliament, can make decisi

i think rwanda is one part of tacklinu rwanda?wanda? i think rwanda is one part of tackling what is _ rwanda? i think rwanda is one part of tackling what is a _ rwanda? i think rwanda is one part of tackling what is a very _ rwanda? i think rwanda is one part of tackling what is a very complex l of tackling what is a very complex problem, but i have concerns about the legislation because i really want to make sure that if this legislation is coming forward, it is in the right place, but, actually, it is going to deliver that change that i believe i was elected upon delivering which is around taking control of our borders, and taking control of our borders, and taking control of our borders, and taking control of solitary and powers as well. i control of solitary and powers as well. . , , ~ well. i have spent the weekend pondering _ well. i have spent the weekend pondering on — well. i have spent the weekend pondering on this _ well. i have spent the weekend pondering on this and - well. i have spent the weekend pondering on this a

i know there's unsafe in rwanda. there's been a lot of discussion of british lawyers being sent to rwanda. but one myth we need to dispel is the fact that this is going to be asylum processing under rwandan law. in fact, the national the official language of the rwandan courts that the asylum seekers will be going through is english. so maybe through is not english. so maybe our british lawyers will need to learn some different languages. but the second big question that has is actually has to be answered is actually on that question that you've already raised, which if already raised, which is if asylum are not given asylum seekers are not given refugee status in rwanda, they don't stay in rwanda , do they don't stay in rwanda, do they come back to the uk this creates a huge political and legal problem for the government . problem for the government. >> i guess that's one they thought of. but they're trying to deal with the concern of the what call the what they call the non—refoulement. so what was non—refoulement.

rwanda has had a difficult past.cretary this morning visited a memorial centre for the 1994 genocide in which around 800,000 people were killed. the rwandan government is keen to say the country has changed and insists it's safe. the uk government hopes the new treaty will help persuade the uk justice system that that's the case. but opponents say the whole scheme is a distraction. they've now sent more home secretaries than they have asylum seekers to rwanda. he's got another cheque—book to try and continue to pursue a failing policy which is still unlikely to ever affect a few hundred people whilst over 1,000 people arrived on small boats over the last week because they're failing to tackle the criminal gangs. the government has already paid rwanda £140 million and says it intends to press on with the policy. it argues that the rwanda scheme is a key part of stopping the flow of small boats smuggling people across the channel. it also plans to introduce what it calls emergency legislation to parliament shortly, alt

chris mason, bbc news, kigali, in rwanda.ment's revived rwanda deal? 0ur correspondent danjohnson has been to swindon in wiltshire to find out. bbc radio wiltshire breakfast... good morning. this is swindon�*s voice. good morning. i think we should look after them. from streets that typically reflect the national mood. why not rwanda? why not? it's not a bad place. we are not sending them to a prison. so what about this controversial plan, deemed unlawful? i think it makes us cruel. i think it makes us unkind. but pursued to please people in towns like this. we need to help ourselves within england before we start helping others. we've got the barbers are kurdish and next door is chinese. havelock street has changed in the a0 years vince has cut keys here. but his national pride is etched in memorials engraved forfallen soldiers. we've got to be protective of what we've got on this island. i feel that they've come in here illegally, they are being treated fair and now we are saying, we've got nowhere to put you but, whilst we

look, i think rwanda is one part of — being rwanda?da? look, i think rwanda is one part of tackling what - being rwanda? look, i think rwanda is one part of tackling what is - being rwanda? look, i think rwanda is one part of tackling what is a - is one part of tackling what is a very, very complex problem but i have some concerns about the legislation because i really want to make sure that if this legislation is coming forward, it's in the right place. but actually, it is going to deliver that change that i believe i was elected on delivering which is around taking control of the borders. it's also about having control of sovereignty and powers as well. i have spent the weekend pondering on this and i'm not going to rush into any decision and i am sure there are other colleagues who are in exactly the same boat as me and i don't want myself from either wing of the party... and i don't want myself from either wing of the party. . ._ and i don't want myself from either wing of the party. . .— and i don't want myself from either wing of

he's down in rwanda . apparently, he's sort it rwanda. apparently, he's sort it all out. nothing to worry about at all. bad news, though, once again , bad news about the again, bad news about the quality of our accommodation and housing for our armed forces. i'm appalled. we'll be digging into that big time. more bad news. i'm sorry to say. yes. the junior doctors, we thought it had been sorted , but no, they're had been sorted, but no, they're coming out on strike. the longest ever strike under believable. and guess what.7 apparently on i'm a celebrity . apparently on i'm a celebrity. you might hear a bit of nigel singing. all of that and much more. but first, it's the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> richard. thank you. good evening. well, the top story tonight, a 28 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder following the stabbing of a 29 year old woman in aberfan in south wales today. the pregnant woman was subjected to a knife attack on the street this morning. chief inspector rob miles from south wales police gave an upda

first, what is the rwanda vote?s to rwanda. this vote is specifically a new legislation designed to overcome certain legal obligations the plan has met. the opposition parties say they will vote against, but rishi sunak has a decent majority. his issue is some tory mps don't like this bill. what are their concerns? they come from two directions really. some reassurances this will respect international law, others say the bill doesn't go far enough in avoiding further legal challenges. why is this happening now? last month, the uk supreme court ruled the africa scheme is unlawful, it cited concerns that rwanda could send asylum seekers to places where they could come to harm. what does they could come to harm. what does the bill say, it says through is a safe country for asylum seekers, it prevents judges from concluding otherwise. and to do that, it bypasses certain existing uk laws, including parts of the human rights act. what happens if it is defeated? this would be a blow for rishi sunak, he has made this plan a

in 2017. -- dissident in rwanda. , ., ., ., ., rwanda.s in that country, - rwanda. does that mean no matter. what happens in that country, rwanda would have to be deemed safe? that is what the would have to be deemed safe? trust is what the legislation says. so what is black is now white. it goes beyond the evidence seen by our national courts, and what is important is the united nation's high commissioner on refugees provided evidence to the courts which they accepted, the supreme court says there... on the fifth december, a government spokesman fort rwanda has said that they have been honest on this evidence. this creates a very big gap and environment in terms of how is the uk supposed to determine whether one is safe when the courts have made it clear that it is not safe, that the bill provides provisions which actually puts on a collision course with the european court of human rights regarding interim measures, that the only protection mechanism is by these irreversible harm judicial views on individuals' circumstances? and within t

. >> pro rwanda plan . tory mps are >> pro rwanda plan. tory mps are locked in crunch meetings with top legal experts to determine if that new rwanda deal is going to be workable. if it's not, they'll revolt and it could bnng they'll revolt and it could bring sunak down. i will make sure you're right on the inside of this with our own legal expert and a prominent member of the erg, the group scrutinising cleverly's new deal. this is the show to watch for rwanda plan fans and do whinge and ginge need armed protection when they come to the uk. harry is challenging the home office. i say if you don't feel safe here then don't bother coming you massive traitor and 91 year old woman died because a foreign care home worker who never passed an english exam . ironic passed an english exam. ironic couldn't communicate with 999 call handlers. is it racist to expect care home workers to speak fluent english? what's wrong? as well with this picture 7 wrong? as well with this picture ? yeah two blokes have come first in un second in a women's cycling e

scheme. >> i think rwanda the joke . >> i think rwanda the joke. >> i think rwanda the joke. >> it'soke. >> it's a joke. >> only a joke. only a joke . >> only a joke. only a joke. >> only a joke. only a joke. >> with the winter weather, the frequency of launches from these beachesis frequency of launches from these beaches is reducing , but the beaches is reducing, but the numbers in the camps will continue to swell until the next set of police raids . part of the set of police raids. part of the never ending cycle of uk bound migrants flowing through northern france . and you will northern france. and you will keep trying to get to london. >> london? yes i go to london in our next report. >> the other route to the uk as thousands of mainly african men who can't afford the price of a place on a boat risk their lives trying to clamber aboard lorries. mark white gb news calais wasn't a superb report from mark white, who joins me now in the studio. >> mark, earlier on christopher hope, our political editor, said to rishi sunak at that press conference, smugglers conference, the people s

that i think it's going to rwanda.hat the rwandan government thinks of those kind of cases because part of what rwanda wants to do is to demonstrate that it is a modern, progressive country with a belief in the rule of law. that is part of what is at stake for them. so i think it is... i think them. so i think it is... i think the prime minister is clearly trying to say that this does everything my party wanted to do, any mp, whether you are robertjenrick or anyone else, can say this is the only way forward if you want to get the flights to rwanda. but i wonder actually when push comes to shove, when cases do start appearing in various court, challenges against this scheme, actually what happens on the ground. this scheme, actually what happens on the ground-— on the ground. mark on the legal side of the _ on the ground. mark on the legal side of the policy. _ on the ground. mark on the legal side of the policy. let's - on the ground. mark on the legal side of the policy. let's go - on the ground. mark on the legal sid

rwanda is not the answer. there is a feelin: in rwanda is not the answer.s not the answer. there is a feeling in the united states, where l feeling in the united states, where they have a similar problem on their southern border, that the longer it takes to process cases, the more people think they will get in, they will be given leave to stay, pending appeal, and innocence, that is a pull factor in itself. is that the case here? —— in a sense. pull factor in itself. is that the case here? -- in a sense. what we know from — case here? -- in a sense. what we know from our— case here? -- in a sense. what we know from our clients _ case here? -- in a sense. what we know from our clients is _ case here? -- in a sense. what we know from our clients is that - case here? -- in a sense. what we know from our clients is that when | know from our clients is that when people _ know from our clients is that when people are — know from our clients is that when people are facing the risk of death, they are _ people are facing the risk of death, they are willing to really

and i'm a big fan of the rwanda i'm a big fan of rwanda.a big fan of rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact that i'm a big fan of rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact that our i'm a big fan of rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact that our newa big fan of rwanda. and i'm a big fan of the rwafact that our new home an of the fact that our new home secretary, james cleverly, started issue by started the whole issue by saying not a silver bullet . saying it's not a silver bullet. i think that was very encouraging because what he was saying was he saying, look, saying was he was saying, look, i'm all my eggs i'm not putting all my eggs in one for rwanda, but one basket for rwanda, but i will have other options. but this of them. and it this is one of them. and it means excuse me, means they means excuse me, it means they are pressing on with the scheme because nothing else. >> roger, you sound like you don't think it's a good idea for our government to be having any kind of cooperation with rwanda in this respect? >> well, you've got to

rishi sunak ahead of a crunch vote tonight on his rwanda policy.ive pictures from the house of commons where mps are debating bed bill. we will bring you the latest. any draft resolution is excited to be announced shortly at the un climate summit after the backlash against plans that made no mention of phasing out fossil fuels. the bombardment of gaza continues as a un chief says civilians there are enduring hell on earth. turkey suspects all domestic football after a referee is punched at a game by the president of super league club. welcome to the programme where we bring you three hours of breaking stories and check out the truth behind them. we begin this hour as there arejust hours behind them. we begin this hour as there are just hours to go until britain's prime minister faces a knife edge food in parliament on his flagship bill which is designed to send a summer migrants who arrive in the uk in small boats to rwanda. the policy has proved controversial and it is dividing opinion in the conservative party. some of his mps feeling the bill do

you also need to tackle, but not with rwanda , not tackle, but not with rwanda, not with rwanda.in terms of extrajudicial killings , political prisoners , killings, political prisoners, you know, 87% of people being of asylum claims being fed by the world food programme. >> what country would yvette cooper be able to do this with very quickly? >> i'm no longer a labour frontbencher. i've not got that detail , but there are countries detail, but there are countries we can look to. but much more importantly is a tax paying the backlog in asylum claims? last year that figure was ten times higher than it was when labour left office and that acts acts as a green light and a pull for people to come to this country illegally . illegally. >> and yet, bill, you mention the problems that you perceive in rwanda. i've been reading through the bill that mps are voting on at 7 pm. this evening. it makes clear that courts cannot not refer to any general problem about rwanda in terms of not allowing people to go there. this bill would put in uk statute which courts would have to refer to above a

.— particularly badly hurt by being sent to rwanda. , ., , . , sent to rwanda.t a 'ump in their mic that's * sent to rwanda. john, just a 'ump in their mic that's exactly h sent to rwanda. john, just a 'ump in their mic that's exactly the h sent to rwanda. john, just a jump in their mic that's exactly the point - their mic that's exactly the point that has angered so many on the right of the conservative party. we heard from one speaking on behalf of five or so groupings there on the right of the party, basically saying that we cannot support the bill tonight, effectively, because it would lead to, in their view, too many legal challenges. that would lead to, in their view, too many legal challenges.- many legal challenges. that is effectively _ many legal challenges. that is effectively what _ many legal challenges. that is effectively what the _ many legal challenges. that is effectively what the argument | many legal challenges. that is i effectively what the argument is about. those on the right wing of the conservative party are arguing the conservative par

rwanda remember that film, hotel rwanda , about the genocide?orrific. and i think people think, rwanda. that's think, gosh, rwanda. and that's what their minds. what they have in their minds. aranda changed out all aranda has changed out of all recognition then, and recognition since then, and i don't see any problem with sending finally closer to >> and just finally closer to home, northern ireland's good friday that, friday agreement prior to that, buildings blown up, buildings were being blown up, soldiers assassinated soldiers were being assassinated , and open warfare , armoured , and open warfare, armoured personnel carriers, little mini tanks rolling on the streets of belfast . belfast. >> it's just an excuse to kind of as if it's a point to say they're not as civilised because they're not as civilised because they're black. >> i think you're absolutely >> and i think you're absolutely right. i think you're right as a black think that . black person think that. >> rwanda actually the >> and rwanda is actually the jewel in africa's crown.

the president of rwanda is - the room, which is rwanda.tin of africa. - president of rwanda is like the president putin of africa. i- president of rwanda is like the i president putin of africa. i know him personally. _ president putin of africa. i know him personally, because - president putin of africa. i know him personally, because the - president putin of africa. i knowi him personally, because the man president putin of africa. i know- him personally, because the man who rescued _ him personally, because the man who rescued people — him personally, because the man who rescued people during _ him personally, because the man who rescued people during the _ him personally, because the man who rescued people during the genocide i rescued people during the genocide was critical — rescued people during the genocide was critical of— rescued people during the genocide was critical of the _ rescued people during the genocide was critical of the rwandan - was critical of the rwandan president _ was critical of the rwandan president. the _ was

if rwanda do not support it... where _ the policy works. if rwanda do not support it...rwanda do not support it... where is the - the policy works. if rwanda do not| support it... where is the evidence they don't? — support it... where is the evidence they don't? the — support it... where is the evidence they don't? the words _ support it... where is the evidence they don't? the words from - support it... where is the evidence they don't? the words from the - support it... where is the evidence i they don't? the words from the prime minister himself. _ they don't? the words from the prime minister himself. i _ they don't? the words from the prime minister himself. i don't _ they don't? the words from the prime minister himself. i don't understand i minister himself. i don't understand wh a minister himself. i don't understand why a country _ minister himself. i don't understand why a country that _ minister himself. i don't understand why a country that has _ minister himself. i don't understand why a country that has been - why a country that has been described as a saf

sunshine for rwanda plan for rwanda . for the rwanda plan for rwanda. i haven't one. through many times have we gone through this, processing this, you know, processing at the entry is what we the point of entry is what we did in 2006, two thousand and seven, 20% seven, when we had less than 20% of of illegal immigrants. >> when you were allowed hundreds surge in hundreds of thousands surge in from europe. from eastern europe. but it surely be. eastern from eastern europe. but it surely shouldn't3e. eastern from eastern europe. but it surely shouldn't be eastern from eastern europe. but it surely shouldn't be processing europe shouldn't be processing at point entry. at the point of entry. >> should be processing in >> it should be processing in their country online, their home country online, and then a decision. then we can make a decision. >> iran north korea, yes, but >> iran in north korea, yes, but no, but i hear you. >> but but the but the afghans and some of the syrians, they they to a western european they get to a western european nafion they get to a western

rwanda is not the answer.istian: there is a feeling in the united states where they have a similar problem on their southern border that the longer it takes to process cases, the more people think they will get in, they will be given leave to stay, pending appeal, and in a sense, that is a pull factor in itself. is that the case here? natasha: so, what we know from our clients is that when people are facing the risk of death, they are willing to really do anything. and that is why we see people undertaking the most horrendous journeys, absolutely dangerous, horrific attorneys that you and i would never dream of what people do every day. we don't have evidence that deterrence by standing out the asylum decision-making process works. if that were the case, we would see a reduction which hasn't happened. let's remember, it is not about -- we have got to move away from this thought of trying to reduce the number of people seeking asylum. we see a fraction of people compared to our european neighbors. and we really

that's the rwanda — him. rob, thank you for that. that's the rwanda plan _ him.plan outlined, - him. rob, thank you for that. that's the rwanda plan outlined, then - him. rob, thank you for that. that's the rwanda plan outlined, then we. the rwanda plan outlined, then we had this and for —— intervention from suella braverman in the house of commons just a few hours or so ago. tell us about that. i of commonsjust a few hours or so ago. tell us about that.— ago. tell us about that. i think it probably had _ ago. tell us about that. i think it probably had a — ago. tell us about that. i think it probably had a bit _ ago. tell us about that. i think it probably had a bit less _ ago. tell us about that. i think it probably had a bit less of - ago. tell us about that. i think it probably had a bit less of an - ago. tell us about that. i think it i probably had a bit less of an impact thenit probably had a bit less of an impact then it might have done had she not sent one of the most stinging resignation letters of all time to rishi sunak, the prime minister. and essent

rwanda. this treaty and this new bill will help to make that a reality and yet earlier on today , the and yet earlier on today, the former home secretary, suella braverman , said the bill was braverman, said the bill was destined to fail , adding that it destined to fail, adding that it actually posed a threat to the future of the party. >> the conservative party faces electoral oblivion in a matter of months if we introduce yet another bill destined to fail . another bill destined to fail. do we fight for sovereignty or do we let our party die.7 i refuse to sit by and allow us to fail, celebrate de—man. >> now, in other news today, bofis >> now, in other news today, boris johnson told the covid inquiry that he did make mistakes during the pandemic. if you're watching on television, there are some flashing images coming up. the former prime minister told the inquiry that things should have been done differently in the uk and he took full responsibility for the government's decision making at t

they'll be forced to be shipped to rwanda . and as be shipped to rwanda. always given refugees a fair hearing when they've come here. having taken dangerous journeys and many refugees from afghanistan who've had to take those dangerous journeys have gone on to settle in the uk, to rebuild their lives, to contribute as law abiding citizens playing by the rules . rwanda means that won't rules. rwanda means that won't be allowed to do that . be allowed to do that. >> so enver, you by that answer , >> so enver, you by that answer, you assume that this will actually pass quite quickly and become people will become effective and people will go to rwanda . go to rwanda. >> oh, my assumption. listening to the prime minister is that he wants it to happen and he's going to do everything that he can possibly do to make it happen. i'm sure there will be other legal challenges, but i think that's the government's desire and the government will try and make it happen, will try its damnedest, in its words , to its damnedest, in its words, to get flights off the ground to